Nuclear deal with Iran reached! But will Congress accept it?

Ralphy1

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It is a surprise that Iran finally accepted inspections of their nuclear facilities which was a main stumbling block. Most of the world is trying to breath a sigh of relief but realize that roadblocks remain to implementation. However, I think it is great if it sticks and you should too...
 

This is an agreement, not a treaty, so Congress does not get to stop it. However, they have the right to block the removal of sanctions as they imposed them. Beyond this, it is pretty complicated and countries like Israel are not happy. Good reasoning with our own people and the people of the world will be necessary...
 
Sorry I didn't see this thread when I started mine.

Some of the people opposed to this agreement think that we can go on sanctioning Iran as we have in the past and perhaps add more sanctions....that's not going to happen, Europe in general will probably lift their sanctions and certainly not support any new ones. So only the US will enforce sanctions. This means Iran will have won. They will resume trade with many countries and they will be free to continue developing their nuclear device. So do we bomb their enrichment facilities? That might slow them up and it will kill a lot of innocent people, but it won't prevent them form building their bomb. Do we invade their country? That would make Iraq look like a walk in the park. These are just crazy alternatives that make no sense at all. Pakistan has a bomb but we don't attack them, so does N. Korea. And with Obama's agreement we can prevent Iran from becoming a nuclear power. Ah but that's the rub it's Obama's agreement...his legacy, that drives the republicans wild.
 
Some may remember (I didn't until someone reminded me) that the Clinton administration endeavored to work out an agreement with North Korea which would limit their nuclear development. After Bush took over in 2001, the Bush administration decided it wasn't going to go along with the Clinton administration's naive, give-away-everything negotiations with North Korea. The Bush team, particularly the first term team, decided they were going to hang tough and not be patsies for the North Koreans. And now North Korea is a nuclear state with a number of nuclear weapons. Maybe that would have happened had the Democrats won in 2000 too. But it did happen under the hang tough crowd.
 
Congressional Republicans, especially the clown car of presidential candidates, are shouting from the rooftops how bad this agreement would be. None had read it, but the expected and seen reaction was simply not wanting this Administration to chalk up something positive. The Republican Congress passed legislation a few months ago requiring Congressional review and ratification of any agreement with Iran. Once all have read the agreement, it will be interesting to see if there are votes to push through a bill denying ratification. The POTUS has already promised a veto of any bill that would deny ratification of the agreement.

Five leading European countries were involved in hammering out this agreement. Yet, listening to the GOP, one would think this was totally and completely authored by Obama and Kerry. The Republican Congress will probably reject ratification, thereby throwing sand in the face of some valuable European allies and friends. They don't care.

This could lead to some interesting D.C. excitement. Let's say Congress rejects the agreement, sending a bill to the President denying ratification. The President vetoes it. Congress cannot come up with the veto-override majority and the veto stands. If Congress does not pass another bill either rejecting or accepting the agreement, does it stand? Or, without Congressional approval, does it fail?
 
I heard some early news reports and the conditions sound quite stringent, including pouring cement into a fast breeder reactor and a strong inspections program in return for graduated lifting of sanctions. How can this be worse than not striking a deal?
 
I'm conflicted on this. Iran is a bunch of liars, terrorists and took US embassy hostages ignoring diplomatic protocol in the late 1970s going unpunished to this day. As a country I wouldn't want another country telling me what to do. Greece is basically going through this now. Like Greece if Iran comes running for help after an oooops or causes damage outside their country I don't want to hear any crying how tough the terms of a clean up or penalty is. Or retaliation for an act of war.

And by the same token the US can't be telling countries like Israel what to do. This is an agreement between the US and Iran and not Israel. I am disappointed that the US couldn't get the current batch of hostages back from Iran.
 
Iran's president said on Friday that a framework for a nuclear deal was just the first step toward building a new relationship with the world, after Iranians greeted the announcement of the accord with celebrations in the streets.

The tentative agreement, struck on Thursday after eight days of talks between Iran and six world powers in Lausanne, Switzerland, clears the way for a settlement to allay Western fears that Iran could build an atomic bomb, with economic sanctions on Tehran being lifted in return.

In a televised speech on Friday, Iranian President Hassan Rouhani, a relative moderate elected in a landslide two years ago on a promise to reduce Iran's isolation, said the nuclear talks were just the start of a broader policy of opening up.

"Today is a day that will remain in the historic memory of the Iranian nation," he added. "Some think that we must either fight the world or surrender to world powers. We say it is neither of those, there is a third way. We can have cooperation with the world."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/04/04/us-iran-nuclear-idUSKBN0MQ0HH20150404






[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Thankfully there are new leaders in the Iran situation, our country has a leader that negotiates instead flying in bombing all the "axis of evils" .... and hopefully Iran has a leader that realizes the people of Iran have suffered enough. Our president should be thanked for seeking a peaceful resolution.[/FONT]
 
The best part of an Iran inspection agreement is that it may allow Iran to begin shipping oil, which would only add to the already glut and bring prices back down.

Some would say that the best part is that the inspectors would be able to make sure that Iran is not producing nuclear weapons or storing plutonium to manufacture nuclear weapons at a later date. I was never really sold on the idea that was ever a possibility anyway. I think it may have been just another scare tactic and reason for the U.S. to begin an embargo and to show our power. But, then again who really knows the answer? We only know what the media tells us, then we have to make the decision for ourselves what to believe.

It wasn't all that long ago that we were friends with Iran. That was before the Iranian hostage situation and the ouster of the Shah. Wasn't it? I am not 100% sure. I get dates mixed up. At any rate, this is a win for the president and the people of the U.S. Having low oil prices puts more money in everyone's pockets.
 
The best part of an Iran inspection agreement is that it may allow Iran to begin shipping oil, which would only add to the already glut and bring prices back down.

Some would say that the best part is that the inspectors would be able to make sure that Iran is not producing nuclear weapons or storing plutonium to manufacture nuclear weapons at a later date. I was never really sold on the idea that was ever a possibility anyway. I think it may have been just another scare tactic and reason for the U.S. to begin an embargo and to show our power. But, then again who really knows the answer? We only know what the media tells us, then we have to make the decision for ourselves what to believe.

It wasn't all that long ago that we were friends with Iran. That was before the Iranian hostage situation and the ouster of the Shah. Wasn't it? I am not 100% sure. I get dates mixed up. At any rate, this is a win for the president and the people of the U.S. Having low oil prices puts more money in everyone's pockets.

We had close to two dollar with out Iran oil over the last year. But if it comes back because of this deal I won't complain too much.

When the Shah was first ousted it was reported that it was his secret police abuses. I think it was the Savak, probably another CIA trained organization in the Muslim world. In retrospect after seeing the events play out around the millennium I don't think it was just corrupt officials. I think they/the regime knew what radical Muslims were capable of and tried to ferret out when and where anyway they could. The late 70s/first hostage crisis changed late tv and motivated the push in cable news for continuous updated information. I think it started out as an ABC news special America Held Hostage Day 1 etc which morphed into Nightline fueling Ted Kopel's career. Even though the hostage rescue mission failed it gave birth to the Delta Force and spurred advanced tactical training used by special forces and police around the US if not the world. Then we have the infamous October surprise with the hostages being released as Presidents/power was changing hands in 1980.

Besides any current state sponsored or enabled terrorism I think those who took embassy hostages in the late 70s still need to pay.

The biggest con on this is inspection warning times or time that one could hide or get rid of the evidence.

We'll see.
 
Congressional Republicans, especially the clown car of presidential candidates, are shouting from the rooftops how bad this agreement would be. None had read it, but the expected and seen reaction was simply not wanting this Administration to chalk up something positive. The Republican Congress passed legislation a few months ago requiring Congressional review and ratification of any agreement with Iran. Once all have read the agreement, it will be interesting to see if there are votes to push through a bill denying ratification. The POTUS has already promised a veto of any bill that would deny ratification of the agreement.

Five leading European countries were involved in hammering out this agreement. Yet, listening to the GOP, one would think this was totally and completely authored by Obama and Kerry. The Republican Congress will probably reject ratification, thereby throwing sand in the face of some valuable European allies and friends. They don't care.

This could lead to some interesting D.C. excitement. Let's say Congress rejects the agreement, sending a bill to the President denying ratification. The President vetoes it. Congress cannot come up with the veto-override majority and the veto stands. If Congress does not pass another bill either rejecting or accepting the agreement, does it stand? Or, without Congressional approval, does it fail?

Totally agree, GOM, it is such a shame the obstruction that goes on for politics and to hell with the good of the country.
 
you actually believe Iran is going to stick to this deal? Half of Congress doesn't even like it.

The ayatollah is laughing his ash off at the Americans.
 
you actually believe Iran is going to stick to this deal? Half of Congress doesn't even like it.

The ayatollah is laughing his ash off at the Americans.

If you listened to the president's speech yesterday regarding what would happen if Iran reneged on the deal, you'd be better informed.

Half of Congress (Republicans) do not like the deal because Kerry and the president are getting much praise for a job well done, as for the ayatollah, I don't have a window into his house to see what he's laughing at.
 
There is No Way that these Muslim Fanatics and Ayatollahs can be trusted. However, the people of Iran are the ones who have suffered the most under these sanctions, and if these people can receive some economic gain by allowing their economy to improve, there is always the slight hope they they may one day wake up, and overthrow the religions fanatics who rule their country now. This deal is far from perfect, but it will make it very hard for Iran to continue its nuclear weapons program...and in that regard, it is worth supporting.

The alternative is to do nothing, and let Iran continue on its present path....which will eventually lead to a major conflict with Israel...and drag us back into another Middle East Mess.
 
There is No Way that these Muslim Fanatics and Ayatollahs can be trusted. However, the people of Iran are the ones who have suffered the most under these sanctions, and if these people can receive some economic gain by allowing their economy to improve, there is always the slight hope they they may one day wake up, and overthrow the religions fanatics who rule their country now. This deal is far from perfect, but it will make it very hard for Iran to continue its nuclear weapons program...and in that regard, it is worth supporting.

The alternative is to do nothing, and let Iran continue on its present path....which will eventually lead to a major conflict with Israel...and drag us back into another Middle East Mess.

They might wake up but they will also have more money to buy and use technology to watch ISIS propaganda/recruitment videos.
 


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