Obamacare

Ameriscot said:
And no one has ever gone bankrupt due to medical bills in western countries except in the US.
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Interesting comment. My brain tumor apparently cost a small fortune for the brain surgery followed by some heavy duty radiation that did not come for free. I did not pay for that at all.

A high school friend of mine had a bad heart and in his 40's he did get a heart transplant. He had not worked for some years and he is still around many years later. He did not pay for that.

Neither of us has been hauled into court and charged with bankruptcy since we had no money to pay the extreme bills. There are many like us that get medical help and don't have a way to pay for it. My son was born a bit early and needed taken to a hospital for extra care till he learned to breath and such. I did not have to pay for that as the hospital apparently had ways to cover. I had no insurance back then either. I believe I had called and offered to pay a few dollars when ever I had some, but the response was this forgiveness. We have had some good experience from our medical system.
 

How many people were uninsured prior to Obamacare? How many will still be uninsured after Obamacare? I dont know the answers. They have thrown figures all over the place.

But I heard somewhere that even after Obamacare was fully implement that there would still be millions with no coverage.

Why is that?

Gene
 

GeneMO said:
How many people were uninsured prior to Obamacare? How many will still be uninsured after Obamacare? I dont know the answers. They have thrown figures all over the place.

But I heard somewhere that even after Obamacare was fully implement that there would still be millions with no coverage.

Why is that?



Gene
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Because some dumbass Red States refused to set up the Medicaid Expansion? Just to spite the President? Just takin' a stab at it.. Or was that a rhetorical question? lol!!
 
Well place Rhetorical epiplexis. Medicaid is used as a coercion device. Sure can tell none here work with Medicaid, or try to do actual medical stuff under government supervision.
 
Ameriscot said:
Totally untrue. Of course the NHS is paid out of taxes. But the care is not lesser quality.

And I've been to US emergency rooms. The first thing they wanted to know was how it would be paid for.
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If this is true, that hospital is not operating under the rules for emergency rooms. First they must determine if there is a true emergency or not. Then they can start asking for ID, insurance, payments, etc.
 
AZ Jim said:
The Koolaid has ruined a otherwise good man. It's sad indeed.
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Something that some on this forum don't seem to understand. This is an open forum that means all get to post their idea and no reason for some to get disturbed when others post differently. Everyone is treated equally. All this politically stuff is just that, somebodies stuff, nothing else.
 
I agree completely. I think it's wonderful to have a place such as this to make our opinions known. I fully intend to be a part of that. Thus it is.
 
QuickSilver said:
I want to comment on this.. Leaving it up to the States is ridiculous. For one thing... there are Rich states, like Maryland and New Jersey... and there are poor states... like Mississippi. Do you believe that those lucky enough to be living in a rich state are more deserving of healthcare than those in poorer states? Why should American citizens be denied basic healthcare simply because of which state they were born in. Healthcare is a right of every US citizen, and it cannot be provided equally by every state.. This is why it's a Federal issue and responsibility... unless of course you don't believe we were all created equal.
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I agree, QS. I also do not see why everybody gets in such a tizzy over single payer healthcare, anyway.
 
Not sure what single payer health care is and it is not Obama care for sure. I pay, the insurers (I have 4) pay, Obama care also is supposed to pay some too.
 
Butterfly said:
I agree, QS. I also do not see why everybody gets in such a tizzy over single payer healthcare, anyway.
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I know why. Because it is socialist, and for some reasons many Americans equate that with communism. Never mind that public schools, welfare, etc are socialist programmes. That part gets ignored.
 
BobF said:
Interesting comment. My brain tumor apparently cost a small fortune for the brain surgery followed by some heavy duty radiation that did not come for free. I did not pay for that at all.

A high school friend of mine had a bad heart and in his 40's he did get a heart transplant. He had not worked for some years and he is still around many years later. He did not pay for that.

Neither of us has been hauled into court and charged with bankruptcy since we had no money to pay the extreme bills. There are many like us that get medical help and don't have a way to pay for it. My son was born a bit early and needed taken to a hospital for extra care till he learned to breath and such. I did not have to pay for that as the hospital apparently had ways to cover. I had no insurance back then either. I believe I had called and offered to pay a few dollars when ever I had some, but the response was this forgiveness. We have had some good experience from our medical system.
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I'm quite sure you've told us this fairy tale before and try to use it to claim that although the US doesn't have universal healthcare, that it acts like it does.

I can come up with a long list of stories about people who have gone bankrupt or are in serious debt because of their overwhelming medical costs when they did not have health insurance. Would you like to hear the one about my niece's friend? The couple's new baby had to be in neonatal intensive care for months, then it died. They did not have health insurance (he was between jobs I think). They are now in debt for over $1million.
 
Ameriscot said:
I know why. Because it is socialist, and for some reasons many Americans equate that with communism. Never mind that public schools, welfare, etc are socialist programmes. That part gets ignored.
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It is a step beyond democracy and heading towards communism for sure.
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http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/socialism

socialism



[soh-shuh-liz-uh m]

noun 1. a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.


2. procedure or practice in accordance with this theory.


3. (in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.
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British Dictionary definitions for socialism

socialism
socialism


/ˈsəʊʃəˌlɪzəm/

noun

1. an economic theory or system in which the means of production, distribution, and exchange are owned by the community collectively, usually through the state. It is characterized by production for use rather than profit, by equality of individual wealth, by the absence of competitive economic activity, and, usually, by government determination of investment, prices, and production levels Compare capitalism


2. any of various social or political theories or movements in which the common welfare is to be achieved through the establishment of a socialist economic system


3. (in Leninist theory) a transitional stage after the proletarian revolution in the development of a society from capitalism to communism: characterized by the distribution of income according to work rather than need
 
Ameriscot said:
I'm quite sure you've told us this fairy tale before and try to use it to claim that although the US doesn't have universal healthcare, that it acts like it does.

I can come up with a long list of stories about people who have gone bankrupt or are in serious debt because of their overwhelming medical costs when they did not have health insurance. Would you like to hear the one about my niece's friend? The couple's new baby had to be in neonatal intensive care for months, then it died. They did not have health insurance (he was between jobs I think). They are now in debt for over $1million.
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What I have said are true, no fairy tales, and if you don't believe them, your loss. Sorry to hear about your friend and his debts.
 
BobF said:
What I have said are true, no fairy tales, and if you don't believe them, your loss. Sorry to hear about your friend and his debts.
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Doesn't matter if they are true or not. You're trying to use two examples as typical care in the US. Which is far from the truth.
 
BobF said:
It is a step beyond democracy and heading towards communism for sure.
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http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/socialism

socialism



[soh-shuh-liz-uh m]

noun 1. a theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.


2. procedure or practice in accordance with this theory.


3. (in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.
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British Dictionary definitions for socialism

socialism
socialism


/ˈsəʊʃəˌlɪzəm/

noun

1. an economic theory or system in which the means of production, distribution, and exchange are owned by the community collectively, usually through the state. It is characterized by production for use rather than profit, by equality of individual wealth, by the absence of competitive economic activity, and, usually, by government determination of investment, prices, and production levels Compare capitalism


2. any of various social or political theories or movements in which the common welfare is to be achieved through the establishment of a socialist economic system


3. (in Leninist theory) a transitional stage after the proletarian revolution in the development of a society from capitalism to communism: characterized by the distribution of income according to work rather than need
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Well, I guess you'd better start making all schools private, stop all welfare programmes, how about the military - that's paid for with taxes, libraries, etc etc etc.....
 
Ameriscot said:
Doesn't matter if they are true or not. You're trying to use two examples of typical care in the US. Which is far from the truth.
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No... it's far from the truth. ALL the "not for Profit" hospitals WILL take on a certain percentage of "charity" cases.. and they only do this in order to maintain their tax exempt status. However, a person has to have no assets and practically no income to speak of. They have to be well below the poverty line to qualify. If a family owns a modest home, and has managed to put away a small savings, they are fair game to collection agencies and will lose everything they have worked for. No charity for them... only out in the street.
 
QuickSilver said:
No... it's far from the truth. ALL the "not for Profit" hospitals WILL take on a certain percentage of "charity" cases.. and they only do this in order to maintain their tax exempt status. However, a person has to have no assets and practically no income to speak of. They have to be well below the poverty line to qualify. If a family owns a modest home, and has managed to put away a small savings, they are fair game to collection agencies and will lose everything they have worked for. No charity for them... only out in the street.
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Very true. I meant to say he was using two examples as typical care.... which is not the case.
 
Ameriscot said:
Well, I guess you'd better start making all schools private, stop all welfare programmes, how about the military - that's paid for with taxes, libraries, etc etc etc.....
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If republicans have there way EVERYTHING would be privatized.. and we are well on our way. Our Prison systems are.. for the most part.. They are working on destroying our public education system in favor of "for profit" schools that can pick and choose students. They have just about destroyed out Postal Service wanting to gut it and have private companies like Fed-ex take over... The Holy grail for Republican tomfoolery is the privatization of our Social Security, and Medicare vouchers.. putting private insurance back in control of our healthcare.. NOW... the Military? Heavens NO NO NO...... WE have lots of money for that and the endless wars Republicans hold so dear..
 
QuickSilver said:
If republicans have there way EVERYTHING would be privatized.. and we are well on our way. Our Prison systems are.. for the most part.. They are working on destroying our public education system in favor of "for profit" schools that can pick and choose students. They have just about destroyed out Postal Service wanting to gut it and have private companies like Fed-ex take over... The Holy grail for Republican tomfoolery is the privatization of our Social Security, and Medicare vouchers.. putting private insurance back in control of our healthcare.. NOW... the Military? Heavens NO NO NO...... WE have lots of money for that and the endless wars Republicans hold so dear..
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Do these proponents not have ANY sense at all?? Our conservative government has been doing the same things.
 
Just trying to get our government back into it's Constitutional ways that it ran under for over two hundred years successfully and only changed to this near communist way of operating in the last 50 years or so and worst in this Obama term where the Congress has been ignored most of his term.

There is no reason why we should not try to protect our Constitution and its ways. Nothing wrong with a fully democratic way of living and our Republic has brought that to the people while other countries stumble and fall victim to socialism and worse.
 
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