Obamacare

If so, be more specific and why you think so.

You can't actually think yours and the other guys cases are typical of US healthcare. If so, why would anyone need insurance? Anyway, I gave you one example of people in debt for $1million in medical costs, and they are not alone.

Doesn't matter what examples I give you, you've drunk too much of the Kool-aid and will think what you wish.
 

Actually the military is very privatized, not sure where you have been for the last 10 years. Please check out Blackwater etc. advantage s to private contractors , don't have to follow the same war rules as reg. military. U.S. has largest mercenary army in the world. Navy an exemption as funded directly by Congress. Ironically as the need for large battle machines decreases and are replaced by drones it allows more people to get in on the fun. Education is moving away from the socialist setting at an exponential rate. Granting of tax credits for home education and privatization has finally jerked away the circulumscourses control from the leftists. Things like no child left behind etc. will ghost out just like the war on drugs etc. that were passed to give a facade of government doing their job, regardless of which team passed them. Ironically the granting of additional freedoms, gay marriage, pot, will accelerate this division and those things touted by the left will cause the states to seperate more from the federal structure. As the battle for the Bucks grows, the Holy Grail of the right is to stop from having everyone on the government payroll.
 
I know why. Because it is socialist, and for some reasons many Americans equate that with communism. Never mind that public schools, welfare, etc are socialist programmes. That part gets ignored.

Very true, what some might not be aware of is that the Criminal justice system(jails, state&federal prisons) have become part of the social-welfare system. A colossal waste of money, and will get much worse before it ever gets better.
 

Actually the military is very privatized, not sure where you have been for the last 10 years. Please check out Blackwater etc. advantage s to private contractors , don't have to follow the same war rules as reg. military. U.S. has largest mercenary army in the world. Navy an exemption as funded directly by Congress. Ironically as the need for large battle machines decreases and are replaced by drones it allows more people to get in on the fun. Education is moving away from the socialist setting at an exponential rate. Granting of tax credits for home education and privatization has finally jerked away the circulumscourses control from the leftists. Things like no child left behind etc. will ghost out just like the war on drugs etc. that were passed to give a facade of government doing their job, regardless of which team passed them. Ironically the granting of additional freedoms, gay marriage, pot, will accelerate this division and those things touted by the left will cause the states to seperate more from the federal structure. As the battle for the Bucks grows, the Holy Grail of the right is to stop from having everyone on the government payroll.

For the past 15 years I have been in the UK, so I don't pay a lot of attention to some of the details of what's going on in the US gov't. My news focuses on what's going on in this country. I have to hunt if I want more details on what's going on in the US. We only get some of the stories.
 
Well, I guess you'd better start making all schools private, stop all welfare programmes, how about the military - that's paid for with taxes, libraries, etc etc etc.....

That would just be taking us back to the way it was prior to the Feds taking so much freedom from the people. Schools are still, and always will be, public and city or state run. But they are doing so poorly in the public's eye that many folks do arrange for private schools. Many of our welfare programs are run without any federal influence at all. Most likely the government will do something to injure them and make them more useless.

We have specialty hospitals for various reasons that are run entirely from donations for those unable to afford specialized care. They even take in foreign cases too. Much more specific and caring than any federal hospital might be. I speak of the hospitals mission, not the people attempting to help the sick. I hope they can escape from the Obama care mess entirely.
 
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Originally Posted by Ameriscot I know why. Because it is socialist, and for some reasons many Americans equate that with communism. Never mind that public schools, welfare, etc are socialist programmes. That part gets ignored.

NO... not all Americans... the uneducated and misinformed equate Socialism with communism.. but of course they are NOT the same. Socialism simply means that as a society we see the value in making sure that the most vulnerable are given a floor beneath which they cannot fall. It means that as a society, we maintain institutions that are seen as valuable to the common good... examples are Education, our legal system, Police and Fire departments.. our water and electric grid and infrastructure. IMO we can add healthcare to this list. We want to ensure that all these things are benefitting everyone.. no mater how poor or what the ability to pay for these services is.

NOW... this of course means that those who are doing better than everyone else will contribute more in the way of taxes.. BUT.. in reality.. they tend to USE our resources more. Particularly the legal system, utilities and roads and bridges.. A society like ours cannot survive with pure Capitalism and needs to have a healthy dose of socialism injected in order to function, and in order to see that all survive. A pure Capitalistic society would see all the assets moved to the top.. and will eventually DIE.. which unfortunately under the misguided agenda of the Republican party will happen sooner rather than later. We are already seeing it happen with the unprecedented wealth inequities of the last few years.. What will happen to the wealthy when they have everything? More importantly... what will happen to the rest of us?
 
NO... not all Americans... the uneducated and misinformed equate Socialism with communism.. but of course they are NOT the same. Socialism simply means that as a society we see the value in making sure that the most vulnerable are given a floor beneath which they cannot fall. It means that as a society, we maintain institutions that are seen as valuable to the common good... examples are Education, our legal system, Police and Fire departments.. our water and electric grid and infrastructure. IMO we can add healthcare to this list. We want to ensure that all these things are benefitting everyone.. no mater how poor or what the ability to pay for these services is.

NOW... this of course means that those who are doing better than everyone else will contribute more in the way of taxes.. BUT.. in reality.. they tend to USE our resources more. Particularly the legal system, utilities and roads and bridges.. A society like ours cannot survive with pure Capitalism and needs to have a healthy dose of socialism injected in order to function, and in order to see that all survive. A pure Capitalistic society would see all the assets moved to the top.. and will eventually DIE.. which unfortunately under the misguided agenda of the Republican party will happen sooner rather than later. We are already seeing it happen with the unprecedented wealth inequities of the last few years.. What will happen to the wealthy when they have everything? More importantly... what will happen to the rest of us?

Yes, agree the difference between the very wealthy and the very poor is massive and growing quickly. And, QS, I did not say all Americans, I said many.
 
For the past 15 years I have been in the UK, so I don't pay a lot of attention to some of the details of what's going on in the US gov't. My news focuses on what's going on in this country. I have to hunt if I want more details on what's going on in the US. We only get some of the stories.

Ameriscot... Our military is NOT privatized.... It is supported by tax dollars.. What is being referred to are the private contractors that Republicans have allowed to make BILLIONS of dollars off of war. Wars that were ginned up under the guise of defense but in reality were for the chance for companies owned by friends and donors to pocket vast fortunes. Cheney and Halliburton is a great example.

Unfortunately they have been able to convince the common guy voting for the Republican party that somehow THEY will come out on top.. Not gonna happen.. While the misinformed electorate keep voting for these people, their pockets are becoming emptier.. and the sad part is they don't even realize it. There has been a fear instilled into them that somehow minorities particularly Blacks and Hispanics are TAKING everything away from them... when in reality, the really fox in the henhouse are corporations and the top 1%. Which reminds me of Lyndon Johnson's famous quote:

"If you can convince the lowest white man that he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll even empty his pockets for you.”

LBJ
 
Ameriscot... Our military is NOT privatized.... It is supported by tax dollars.. What is being referred to are the private contractors that Republicans have allowed to make BILLIONS of dollars off of war. Wars that were ginned up under the guise of defense but in reality were for the chance for companies owned by friends and donors to pocket vast fortunes. Cheney and Halliburton is a great example.

Unfortunately they have been able to convince the common guy voting for the Republican party that somehow THEY will come out on top.. Not gonna happen.. While the misinformed electorate keep voting for these people, their pockets are becoming emptier.. and the sad part is they don't even realize it. There has been a fear instilled into them that somehow minorities particularly Blacks and Hispanics are TAKING everything away from them... when in reality, the really fox in the henhouse are corporations and the top 1%. Which reminds me of Lyndon Johnson's famous quote:

"If you can convince the lowest white man that he’s better than the best colored man, he won’t notice you’re picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he’ll even empty his pockets for you.”

LBJ

Oh yes, familiar with Cheney and Halliburton! Even though I moved out of the country the year that Bush was first 'elected' I do vote in every presidential election.

I'll never figure out as long as I live why poor people and women would vote republican. I can come up with one reason why some do. I worked in TN for 10 years and many of my co-workers were evangelical republicans. The main reason they say they'd never vote for a Democrat is because the party is for freedom of choice regarding abortion for women. They'd like abortion totally outlawed.

Unfortunately, that quote by LBJ has a lot of truth to it.
 
Oh yes, familiar with Cheney and Halliburton! Even though I moved out of the country the year that Bush was first 'elected' I do vote in every presidential election.

I'll never figure out as long as I live why poor people and women would vote republican. I can come up with one reason why some do. I worked in TN for 10 years and many of my co-workers were evangelical republicans. The main reason they say they'd never vote for a Democrat is because the party is for freedom of choice regarding abortion for women. They'd like abortion totally outlawed.

Unfortunately, that quote by LBJ has a lot of truth to it.


Ah yes... the "Social Issue" voters. Or as some say the Guns, Gays and God voters. And while unfortunate, they at least have a legitimate reason (even if it has no business in politics) for casting their votes the way they do. They are following a conviction.. and even if they suffer financially, that is the price to be paid. What's sadder is the voter who has no understanding of the absolute destruction the Republican agenda of catering to the wealthy at the expense of everyone else. To me, it's impossible to understand. They have swallowed the propaganda hook line and sinker and remain in the echo chamber of the Right.. parroting the falsehoods and propaganda like it was Gospel.
 
Ah yes... the "Social Issue" voters. Or as some say the Guns, Gays and God voters. And while unfortunate, they at least have a legitimate reason (even if it has no business in politics) for casting their votes the way they do. They are following a conviction.. and even if they suffer financially, that is the price to be paid. What's sadder is the voter who has no understanding of the absolute destruction the Republican agenda of catering to the wealthy at the expense of everyone else. To me, it's impossible to understand. They have swallowed the propaganda hook line and sinker and remain in the echo chamber of the Right.. parroting the falsehoods and propaganda like it was Gospel.

Exactly!
 
At some point in your rhetoric you are going to have to face your swallowing of leftist propaganda and stop blaming the rich. Voter numbers under this type of destructive socialistic caterism has already lead to the falsehoods you profess. It it is a really good thing that even poor people and women can see through the facade painted by the left that they don't cater to the wealthy.
I remember another famous quote by LBJ, (who actually prolonged the Vietnam war more than any other pres. Speaking of two faced positions) just after JFK was assignated, "that sob will never embarrass me in public again"
 
Ah yes... the "Social Issue" voters. Or as some say the Guns, Gays and God voters. And while unfortunate, they at least have a legitimate reason (even if it has no business in politics) for casting their votes the way they do. They are following a conviction.. and even if they suffer financially, that is the price to be paid. What's sadder is the voter who has no understanding of the absolute destruction the Republican agenda of catering to the wealthy at the expense of everyone else. To me, it's impossible to understand. They have swallowed the propaganda hook line and sinker and remain in the echo chamber of the Right.. parroting the falsehoods and propaganda like it was Gospel.

There is very little difference between the Democrats of today and the Republicans also. The claim that the Republicans are all led by the wealthy is a general lie if you look to the facts. Both parties are led by money folks and even to the point that there is a good question about who has the most wealth leading them along.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2014/12/24/business/ap-us-political-money-biggest-donors.html?_r=0

[h=3]Business Day[/h] [h=1]Wealthy Donors Sided With Democrats in Midterms[/h] By THE ASSOCIATED PRESSDEC. 24, 2014, 3:12 A.M. E.S.T.





WASHINGTON — For as often as Democrats attack the conservative billionaires Charles and David Koch for their heavy spending on politics, it's actually the liberal-minded who shelled out the most cash in the just completed midterm elections.


At least, that is, among those groups that must disclose what they raise and spend.


Among the top 100 individual donors to political groups, more than half gave primarily to Democrats or their allies. Among groups that funneled more than $100,000 to allies, the top of the list tilted overwhelmingly toward Democrats — a group favoring the GOP doesn't appear on the list until No. 14.


The two biggest super PACs of 2014? Senate Majority PAC and House Majority PAC — both backing Democrats.


In all, the top 10 individual donors to outside groups injected almost $128 million into this year's elections. Democratic-leaning groups collected $91 million of it.


Among the 183 groups that wrote checks of $100,000 or more to another group, Democrats had a 3-to-1 cash advantage. The biggest player was the National Education Association, at $22 million. Not a single Republican-leaning group cracked the top 10 list of those transferring money to others.


Overall, for the campaign season that just ended, donors who gave more than $1 million sent roughly 60 cents of every dollar to liberal groups. Among the 10 biggest donors, Democrats outspent Republicans by an almost 3-to-1 margin.

(And more)
 
How many times do I have to prove to you that nearly HALF of contributions to the Obama campaign came from donations under $200... You keep trying to paint the parties with the same brush.... It's not true... it's only a false equivalency.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/02/obama-trumps-romney-with-small-donors/

Nearly half — 48 percent — of Obama’s $118 million haul in 2011 came from individuals giving $200 or less, according to a new analysis by the Campaign Finance Institute, a nonpartisan group.
Small-donors made up only 9 percent of the 2011 fundraising total for Mitt Romney.
But it’s on the other end of the donor spectrum that Romney holds more sway: He gathered 82 percent of his funds from donors giving $1,000 or more, the Campaign Finance Institute found. Those high-dollar donors comprise just 28 percent of Obama’s total.
Looked at in absolute sums, Obama raised more money from small donors last year — $56.7 million to $56.3 million — than Romney collected from all donors combined.

Now I would call that a MANDATE from the people... wouldn't you?
 
Philosophically the Republicans are Corporation builders and defenders. In doing so they take general fund resources that could do wonders for our lower economically situated citizens (The middle class has about disappeared as a result). Democrats are more inclined to favor the majority of Americans by protecting the safety nets and social programs in place to ensure that everyone has the ability to provide for themselves to at least a level that supports life. As to the wealth at the top, yes, both have many wealthy "leaders" but the Democrat leaders believe in benevolence toward the less advantaged, the Republicans DO NOT.
 
How many times do I have to prove to you that nearly HALF of contributions to the Obama campaign came from donations under $200... You keep trying to paint the parties with the same brush.... It's not true... it's only a false equivalency.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/02/obama-trumps-romney-with-small-donors/



Now I would call that a MANDATE from the people... wouldn't you?

I would be one of those. The only time I have ever donated to a presidential campaign was Obama - both elections.
 
Philosophically the Republicans are Corporation builders and defenders. In doing so they take general fund resources that could do wonders for our lower economically situated citizens (The middle class has about disappeared as a result). Democrats are more inclined to favor the majority of Americans by protecting the safety nets and social programs in place to ensure that everyone has the ability to provide for themselves to at least a level that supports life. As to the wealth at the top, yes, both have many wealthy "leaders" but the Democrat leaders believe in benevolence toward the less advantaged, the Republicans DO NOT.
Yup people are fat because they eat at McDonalds
 
And when fully implemented, there will still be 30 million uninsured.

We could have given every uninsured person a top of the line, private health policy, and save tubs full of money, and not screwed up the system for those of us who were happy with what we had.

Gene
 
Not an echo chamber. When he is gone we will have a major job of correcting all those rules and laws he is not entitled to make.

We will have plenty to do and with Hillary I believe that she will be a lot less concern to the US economy and our ways of living than Obama has been. If not Hillary, we have no idea yet who will be running and as it is so early into the next Presidency, we really won't know for about a year yet. Maybe some one of the Democrat, or other persuasion, will show up to challenge Hillary again, as they did before the election 6 years back. It is really too early to define the election and participants.
 
Not an echo chamber. When he is gone we will have a major job of correcting all those rules and laws he is not entitled to make.

We will have plenty to do and with Hillary I believe that she will be a lot less concern to the US economy and our ways of living than Obama has been. If not Hillary, we have no idea yet who will be running and as it is so early into the next Presidency, we really won't know for about a year yet. Maybe some one of the Democrat, or other persuasion, will show up to challenge Hillary again, as they did before the election 6 years back. It is really too early to define the election and participants.

President H.Clinton will have something to say about what the GOP is able to do.. lol!
 
I did not say she would be an easy President for the Republicans to work with. I said she will be a lot easier on our economy than Obama has been. I think she will be a lot more honest and working within the Constitution than Obama has been. Hillary will be more likely willing to follow some basic guidelines like allowing the Congress to do their job of making rules and laws and keep to doing what the President is supposed to do which is to allow the Congress run the government and make suggestions of which way to go.

The US is not a dictatorship run by the President. It is a Republic guided by the President but run by the Congress where the laws are debated and voted on.
 
Uh, Obama repaired the economy that G.W. Bush destroyed. Have your investment counselor send you some timeline charts of your stock's performance history.
 


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