That's the part that gets me, Verisure, something as proven as metal detectors being kyboshed all because of hurt feelings.
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Aunt Marg; No way to say it better. Our schools in the County in Ind. where I live. When students get in the building, they have to go through two sets of doors, One location. That have cop ?? that looks electronically into anything they are carrying. Once all kids are in all doors are double locked. All windows have been replaced with bulletproof Lexan.
If I want to go pick up my G.K's I have to push a button on a post. Will be asked why I'm there. I tell them to get G.S. to take to Dentist Appt. An armed officer will come & bring out my G.S. I can't get in the building.
Our High school & grade schools are all connected with special doors in halls that any principal or teacher can push a button to close & no one gets in that small part of either high or grade school. Ever since the first school shooting our school has been upgrading everything it can.
This is so encouraging, Tom!
Finally, a step in the right direction.
Unfortunately these types of changes come at a cost, not dollars and cents per se, but rather a cost to students... privacy, freedoms, etc, but all-in-all it leaves me with the feeling that incidents involving schools will be drastically reduced as time goes on.
Really appreciate you weighing in on this for me.
I have read some areas are fortifying doors for instant lockdown purposes. When an active shooter alert goes out a computer seals the new bulletproof doors. Similar measures are being worked out and studied.
School searches absent RS as in the TLO case are unconstitutional. Did they start having searches of an administrative nature in schools somewhere?
Metal Detectors are fine. But all they can do is make a noise when they detect a certain amount of metal. They can't stop a mass shooter from entering & shooting. Do you really think a buzzing sound & flashing lights would change a murderer's mind?
That's why at court houses, you walk through a metal detector and there are several armed security personnel also there. If metal detectors were all that was needed, why would they go to the expense of armed security?
Verisure
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This is true. I read a few weeks ago that some of the schools in Detroit are so ravaged by heavily-armed thugs from across the Ambassador Bridge that teachers have been issued hand grenades. The practice has been so successful in staving off marauding Ontarians that after summer break most of the schools in Detroit and the surrounding area are expected to follow suit. Bravo! They have finally stopped passing the buck and are using their heads!
Verisure
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Wow! The American Constitution is really sumpin', ain't it! Sure, searching bags would be "infringing" on the second amendment. We wouldn't want that! Oh no!
Such measures will be "Studied" for a long time. They are costly & that's why they're unlikely to be implemented. That's also why cheap, useless measures are frequently suggested.
$4-$5,000.00/door.
Exactly, same method to help secure the safety in schools.
With metal detectors, the movement of students into schools would be expedited, no need for manual searches of each and every student entering, and with the addition of armed personnel in position, should a metal detector sound, the armed personnel would be there to intervene promptly.
About time something was looked at and implemented.
IMO no pilot program is needed.
Get doors like this in place to help protect the kids.
Nosy Bee-54
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There is the 2nd Amendment but also a fetish for guns. Just a few examples:
When Pres. #44 was in office, there were all these scare tactics by the NRA and rightwing media that he was going to takeaway people's guns. Every time this was promoted, guns sales skyrocketed. People on social media bragged about how many more guns they added to their already well stocked arsenal.
Also, there are some Americans who are basically cowards BUT somehow become instantly brave with the acquisition of a gun(s).
**Even though the US has the most guns per capita and all these people are walking around concealed/open carry, mass shootings have not dropped an iota.
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If I was invested in any of our gun manufacturers I'd be delirious with glee, regarding these posts. No longer a gun in every home - - multiple guns for all family members along with loads of ammo for practice shooting and neighborhood battles.
No more name-calling or fist fights. Even the weakest, picked on kid on the playground can blow away the school bully. Who can be against that? Of course the students that lack the skills, even with practice, will blow away half the school yard if they have a high capacity weapon, but again, collateral damage - -who cares. They could even "waste" teachers that treated them unfairly.
Anyone want to name a grade to hand out the guns. 5th or 6th maybe. Just before they reach Jr. High, where the shooting may need a higher degree of skill to survive.
Maybe Kids R' Us will add guns to their inventory. The possibilities for gun sales are limitless, especially if other countries pick up on our gun mania.
Put me down as a "yes" to every kid and teacher being armed.
No more name-calling or fist fights. Even the weakest, picked on kid on the playground can blow away the school bully. Who can be against that? Of course the students that lack the skills, even with practice, will blow away half the school yard if they have a high capacity weapon, but again, collateral damage - -who cares. They could even "waste" teachers that treated them unfairly.
Anyone want to name a grade to hand out the guns. 5th or 6th maybe. Just before they reach Jr. High, where the shooting may need a higher degree of skill to survive.
Maybe Kids R' Us will add guns to their inventory. The possibilities for gun sales are limitless, especially if other countries pick up on our gun mania.
Put me down as a "yes" to every kid and teacher being armed.
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fmdog44
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Long ago I traded a book for a gun and now I have the rest of my life to read books for I'm stuck in Folsom Prison for life.
It's taken many years but our school has bulletproof glass (Lexan 1/2" thick) It also has bulletproof doors that can be shut by teachers or principals. We do have one armed guard at the one entrance that looks into every backpack with something like airport security. Our school is proactive & trying everything new out there. Parents are all for it. I just got to remember to "remove" my 9mm before I get to the school to pick up a G. K. They have cameras that look as people get out of their vehicles.
We are insane, storm the White House, Kids to begin notching their gun counting those they've shot,
Killings on X-way. find a crowd, mow 'um down with your car or your assault rifle
Yea, were doing just great
Verisure
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I say allow all sorts of weapons to everyone, a kind of free-for-all should ensue whereby every man, woman, and child is put to death and the country can finally be left to the Indians. We can call it "The Hail of Tears".
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Not everyone, Verisure.
I haven't commented even though I am a former secondary school teacher because I cannot recall a single example of anyone entering an Australian school with intent to shoot.
As far as I am concerned it is not actually a problem where I live. Vandalism and arson now, that was a different story but that has been solved by investing in better fencing.
Verisure
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POINT ONE: If "guns don't kill people only the people behind the gun", then by sheer observation and common sense Americans ought to be the last people on earth allowed to own them.
POINT TWO: Your hammer story is Dick & Jane-ish. When Americans start hammer murdering and serial hammering then we can discuss banning hammers in the US. And if we find that a large percentage of Americans follow in the footsteps of Nicky Santoro then we will have to ban ballpoint pens and shoes from the American population too.
BOTTOM LINE: Identify the problem (shootings, not hammers). Find the Solution (fewer guns). Act upon it (make them illegal and enforce it). Gosh! Even Dick & Jane could have figured that out.
POINT ONE: If "guns don't kill people only the people behind the gun", then by sheer observation and common sense Americans ought to be the last people on earth allowed to own them.
POINT TWO: Your hammer story is Dick & Jane-ish. When Americans start hammer murdering and serial hammering then we can discuss banning hammers in the US. And if we find that a large percentage of Americans follow in the footsteps of Nicky Santoro then we will have to ban ballpoint pens and shoes from the American population too.
BOTTOM LINE: Identify the problem (shootings, not hammers). Find the Solution (fewer guns). Act upon it (make them illegal and enforce it). Gosh! Even Dick & Jane could have figured that out.
Good points. Now kids are using computers & special printers for manufacturing guns with no serial numbers on them. So they can't be traced. This is getting real bad, even 12 years old can do this. Most are single parents that are working several jobs & the kids are left alone most of the time. The kids join a gang to be wanted.
We do have a great system when you buy a gun here in my State. You have to fill out a form at gun shops or shows. They send it to the FBI for a background check. If you have any felonies, you do not get your gun. I've seen many people not get their guns at gun shows or stores.
I sold a gun one time but I had to take it to our Rural King so they could do a background check on the person I was selling it to.
Right now guns are for hunting & protection. Not far from me a widow 86 years old had some thugs break into her house to beat her up & rob her. She had a 12 gauge shotgun. Needless to say, she is still alive & the thugs are not. If she had not had the shotgun she would have been the one that was dead.