Origin of Creation

Gardenlover

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God or Gods - how did they come to be?
Big bang - Where did the original material come from before it exploded?
Other ideas?

Another unanswerable question, but none the less hearing others' view points will be interesting.
 

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Scientists have studied these questions forever, and even they don't have any definitive answers. Such concepts are beyond my little mind, and perhaps when we pass on, there may be some clues. For us, the best approach is to try to lead a productive and responsible life, and hope that the "powers" take that into consideration. "Reincarnation" is a concept that many religions teach, and perhaps we are just "recycled" into a new life....there have been people, who, through the ages, claim to have remembered events in another life.

There are even scientists who are theorizing the concept of multiple universes...much like multiple galaxies, etc. Who Knows???
 
My take is that the situation which allowed the universe to come into being was there before it existed. I find it much easier to accept that than to accept that there is some sort of being with the ability to create a universe. As your post asks, how did that being come to exist?

I know some people I've talked to have said that god always was and always will be. I think the same thing could be said about the situation that results in a universe coming into existence with an event like the big bang.
 
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For me questions such as this are quite simple - how can I possibly know?

There are questions that can be explored, researched, and sometimes become conclusive in the process, but there are others to which none of this applies. Knowing which is which certainly makes for more efficient of our time. It also seems to me that a lot of friction about belief systems could be alleviated by simply making the distinction in our own minds, and then communicating with others accordingly, between that which we choose to believe and that for which we have supporting facts.

Tony
 
Until science proved otherwise, a solar eclipse must have terrified the people who first walked the earth, it would have been an easy conclusion to come to – that there was a very unhappy god up there sending you a message. :)
 
Whereas it's an interesting curiosity, knowing the truth won't change our lives for the good, or the bad. I believe in ethics, compassion, science, and nature. I'll just hold on to what those things mean for humanity and try to pass it on and learn from it in my day to day life.

Life is just to short to wonder what happened over 4 billions years ago. Let's try to work on things that might make the future better. Like climate change and fighting whatever viruses come our way.
 
Finer and finer particles exist in the innumerable strata of energy. Physics is finding finer and finer layers of creation. Under the most subtle layer lies the abstract, absolute field of pure being.. This is unmanifested and trancendental. Everything is the expression of this pure existence.
There was never a time this did not exist and there never shall be a time when this shall cease to exist.
God and the Holy Spirit are described in detail in my book: "Angels explainGod and the New Spirituality".

Mike, Are you all right? You've been asking some intense questions lately. Are you afraid of death?
 
I can't prove it but I believe that time had no beginning and will have no ending; that a being infinitely wise, powerful, loving and so vast in every way as to be beyond human comprehension was and is the creator; that my spiritual identity and consciousness has always existed and will continue to exist after my current material body dies; that what we call the big bang is probably no more than a punctuation mark in the infinite span of time. Of course there's more.......but that's enough for this posting.
 
Gaer said:
Finer and finer particles exist in the innumerable strata of energy. Physics is finding finer and finer layers of creation. Under the most subtle layer lies the abstract, absolute field of pure being.. This is unmanifested and trancendental. Everything is the expression of this pure existence.
There was never a time this did not exist and there never shall be a time when this shall cease to exist.
God and the Holy Spirit are described in detail in my book: "Angels explainGod and the New Spirituality".

Mike, Are you all right? You've been asking some intense questions lately. Are you afraid of death?
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Thanks for asking Gaer, I'm doing super fantastic. I'm not afraid of death, but that may change when the death reaper comes to visit.
 
I think about this very often and it intrigues me to no end. At this point all I know is that something very very powerful made all of this happen and continue to happen and I will get back to you when I formulate what I have to say about it all.
 
I don't understand why folks in this thread are thinking such lofty thoughts. We all know the earth is flat and somebody or someone, tosses a blanket over the earth to make nighttime so we stop chattering and go to sleep. :ROFLMAO:

Tony
 
mellowyellow said:
Until science proved otherwise, a solar eclipse must have terrified the people who first walked the earth, it would have been an easy conclusion to come to – that there was a very unhappy god up there sending you a message. :)
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I've always wondered why it's always assumed that these people would have been afraid vs being awed and entertained? I've only been in one total eclipse, and it wasn't like it was night time. Would ancient people also have been afraid of the northern lights or just enjoy them as a visual treat?
 
I have a science degree in mathematics and am very familiar with the concept of infinity. It is very useful but very hard to explain. The simplest way I can think of is that something just keeps going, without limit. Some things have a fixed starting point and extend infinitely away from it e.g. a single beam of light. Sounds simple, doesn't it and could apply to the universe or to time itself.

However, even light is not that simple. Light has all the properties of radiation but it also has properties that match a stream of particles, all travelling in the same direction. How can it be two things at once. It isn't. It is the one thing but our ways of explaining it are clumsy. Some of us are now just content to look upon light as one of the marvels of the universe, to appreciate its wonder and beauty and be grateful. Without light our planet would be nothing but death.

I don't think, science notwithstanding, that we fully understand the concept of time either. We measure it, plug values into equations and we know that our lifetimes are finite but what about time itself? Is time infinite and if it is, is it infinite in both directions? We have a word for infinite time - eternity. Since I have a weak understanding of infinity, I cannot even begin to understand what eternity would look like.

So, I don't waste any time trying to understand such lofty concepts. I do know that I am alive now and I know that the sun is very likely to rise in the East each morning giving me an allocation of time and I hope to spend most of it experiencing beauty and passing on some intangibles to my family and other humans I may encounter each day. A friendly smile, a helping hand or just a small slice of my time.

I know that I sound rather like I am preaching but I am just trying to explain to people who find ideas of creation, big bangs, multiverses and other challenges to the mind really important, that everybody doesn't share the same passionate interest. This is not a criticism. It is just a difference in perspective.

Over, and out.
 
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I have a science degree in mathematics and am very familiar with the concept of infinity. It is very useful but very hard to explain. The simplest way I can think of is that something just keeps going, without limit. Some things have a fixed starting point and extend infinitely away from it e.g. a single beam of light. Sounds simple, doesn't it and could apply to the universe or to time itself.

However, even light is not that simple. Light has all the properties of radiation but it also has properties that match a stream of particles, all travelling in the same direction. How can it be two things at once. It isn't. It is the one thing but our ways of explaining it are clumsy. Some of us are now just content to look upon light as one of the marvels of the universe, to appreciate its wonder and beauty and be grateful. Without light our planet would be nothing but death.

I don't think, science notwithstanding, that we fully understand the concept of time either. We measure it, plug values into equations and we know that our lifetimes are finite but what about time itself? Is time infinite and if it is, is it infinite in both directions? We have a word for infinite time - eternity. Since I have a weak understanding of infinity, I cannot even begin to understand what eternity would look like.

So, I don't waste any time trying to understand such lofty concepts. I do know that I am alive now and I know that the sun is very likely to rise in the East each morning giving me an allocation of time and I hope to spend most of it experiencing beauty and passing on some intangibles to my family and other humans I may encounter each day. A friendly smile, a helping hand or just a small slice of my time.

I know that i sound rather like I am preaching but I am just trying to explain to people who find ideas of creation, big bangs, multiverses and other challenges to the mind really important, that everybody doesn't share the same passionate interest. This is not a criticism. It is just a difference in perspective.

Over, and out.
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Yes, I have degrees, too.

Well I happen to think all of it is extremely important and very fascinating and that's my opinion. Not criticizing you either.

Ya know, sometimes I wonder why people reply to topics just to say they aren't interested. I guess that is something unexplainable, too! :LOL: ❣️Much peace and 💘 love to you Maureen!

Ruth
 
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Ruthanne said:
Yes, I have degrees, too.

Well I happen to think all of it is extremely important and very fascinating and that's my opinion. Not criticizing you either.

Ya know, sometimes I wonder why people reply to topics just to say they aren't interested. I guess that is something unexplainable, too! :LOL: ❣️Much peace and 💘 love to you Maureen!

Ruth
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It happens all the time, Ruthanne. I would not have bothered except that I did have some thoughts on the topic. My thoughts just didn't fit neatly into the original post but nevertheless I wanted to explain my thinking.

Peace and love to you too, but if it's all the same to you, I prefer to be known as Warrigal on an open forum. Warri for short is also good.
 
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Gardenlover said:
God or Gods - how did they come to be?
Big bang - Where did the original material come from before it exploded?
Other ideas?

Another unanswerable question, but none the less hearing others' view points will be interesting.
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Wow, interesting questions, Gardenlover.

God (or Gods) were an attempt by humans to find some ultimate meaning to it all. Most of the gods were given human attributes, and speak and act in human terms. That is probably because it is very difficult for us to think outside the box.

The concept probably started in ancient Babylonia or some other very ancient civilization, or pre-civilization. Some cave man sitting by his fire, gazing up at the night sky, got the inspiration, and the stories followed, generation after generation. Eventually, the multiple gods were combined into one deity, but even that took a while. (In the Bible, God himself references "other gods.")

Your second question is one for the scientists. From the very small amount I know about this, the "big bang" may have originated from a tiny, incredibly dense point of space/time called a singularity, which exploded, and the pieces kept expanding, creating the universe, which is still expanding even now. Some scientists think it will eventually turn around and collapse back into a singularity again, and maybe this cycle repeats itself over and over.
 
I believe there are two human needs for a god. One is "magic". We observe the universe, and we don't understand most of its workings. Rain magically happens, as do draughts. There must be 'someone' who is in charge of that. And not only is there a 'god of the "rain", it's possible to bribe, coax, or influence it somehow to do what humans it to do.

As far as what might have preceded the universe is not even a good guess. We don't have enough facts for a bad guess.
 

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