Plants Can Tell When They're Being Eaten. What Will The Vegans Do.

rt3 said:
... And not ignoring that pot users "talk" to their stashes all the time.
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Of course - because our stashes talk to us! ;)

"Phil ... hey, Phil! ... over here, buddy! Look! I'm covered in resin ... I'm glowing with it! ... you've had a tough day - let's chat ... "
 

Kitties said:
Remember all the plants the animals ate before they were killed.

Really this gets on my nerves. I can't win anywhere. The vegans don't like me because I'm overweight (so therefore I'm a poor example and as someone else put it "bad for business) and I don't fit in anywhere else much.

I've come to the conclusion that veganism is a business to many organizations. Just another money maker for some. And a real commitment for others.
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It's really too bad that you've gotten flack and all I can say is that people aren't really aware of how many reasons why people gain and/or can't loose weight and some of them don't have to do with how many calories are consumed! I think it's more a case of ignorance on their part than it being a money-maker unless of course they sell 'vegan' food options. If you know that you're doing all you can for yourself, then ignore them (I know, hard to do isn't it?) and just keep walking as lightly as you are. Focus on the critters and love.
 
I really don't believe that being overweight is the fault of meat being eaten. As I always tell the dieting dilettantes, calories in have to be less than calories out.

What I think Debby is seeing is the result of our non-physically-oriented lives. Take a vegan, have them sit in front of the TV with their bowl of healthy snacks long enough and you'll end up with a chubby vegan.
 
SifuPhil said:
I really don't believe that being overweight is the fault of meat being eaten. As I always tell the dieting dilettantes, calories in have to be less than calories out.

What I think Debby is seeing is the result of our non-physically-oriented lives. Take a vegan, have them sit in front of the TV with their bowl of healthy snacks long enough and you'll end up with a chubby vegan.
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Well then Phil, you'd be wrong to a degree. My husband does exactly that and he eats vegan except he does eat seafood. And his weight has actually gone down over the past few months without him actually dieting. He went from about 163 (5'10") down to 158. Mind you, I'm in charge of putting food in front of him so I do watch his portions. But he is pretty much sedentary so the diet that he eats is extremely helpful in preventing obesity. And as I've said before, his own brother who eats like most Americans and Canadians and doesn't snack a lot but is sedentary is very overweight/obese. So similar genetics, different outcome.

As for the meat eating component to weight gain, that could well have something to do with choosing foods that not only have meat or dairy in them but also the other 'baddies' as in excess sugars or starches that go hand in glove with those foods that contain meat. Like a burger for example. Not only are you getting meat, but you're getting a load of sugar simply from the condiments that they get slathered with and that bun is turned into a sugar which adds to your sugar load and then your body reacts by producing an burst of insulin which impacts your bodies ability to use that sugar for energy and instead you lay down fat cells. It's been a while since I really looked at this so that's a really rough paraphrase, but I think you get the point.

Following are three links to credible sources (to prove I'm not talking through my hat) that discuss meat consumption, obesity and veg'n diets.

- American Journal of Clinical Nutrition: Obesity and Veg'n Diets
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/81/6/1267


-Cancer Research UK: Obesity and red meat consumption are among factors blamed for an increase in bowel cancer rates among men.
http://news.sky.com/story/1072630/bowel-cancer-rates-soar-by-29-percent-for-men


Pub Med: Vegan proteins may reduce risk of cancer, obesity and cardiovascular disease
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10687887
 
Being born into and brought up in a cult like environment, then attaining adulthood and becoming a self-taught student on 'Human rights' I soon developed a better awareness of man's inhumanity to man. If you look back throughout history you will read about the deplorable, horrible treatment rendered from those in authority and dominion over their subjects. I have become an agnostic/freethinker with very little hope that things are changing for the better. If you watch the news about the cultures spread around the world you soon realize that most humans do not think alike and have their own beliefs about what is right and wrong.

Examples: The ancient Egyptians treatment of their subjects and the udder disdain they had for their 'rights', the early Romans and their methods of ruling. The Crusades, the worldwide slave trade that still goes on today. The Nazis, the Soviets, the Chinese, the Japanese and their extermination of whole generations of people that didn't think, worship and do as they did. Man should be ashamed of his treatment of all things, humans as well as other animals. I never understood how anyone could treat and murder small innocent children. We have created serial killers, mass murders, our prisons are overflowing with those that have wronged someone or something. Other than humans, the household cat is the only acknowledged serial killer.

Maybe being a meat eater has it's downside as well. But science has recently come up with the rationalization that if our ancestors hadn't acquired a taste for meat we wouldn't have developed our brain to what it is today. But being a meat eater is not the problem, it's the unethical treatment of the animals that we as humans do to satisfy our consumption of meat. I personally eat and have eaten meat since birth. I recently had surgery to correct a problem with anemia, after my blood tests I was ordered by my doctor to get to the ER and have transfusions. He couldn't understand how I was walking around with my low count. While receiving the transfusions and the followup surgery I was instructed to consume as much red meat as possible during my recovery. My nutritionist advised me against adopting a vegan diet. My condition was not a result of my eating habits but a physical problem and an imbalance in my absorption of blood building nutrients.

I've recovered and still consume red meats along with chicken, fish and eggs. I purchase my eggs from a local farmer. I had a small gentleman's farm back in the 70's/80's I raised pigs, chicken, cattle, sheep, goats and turkeys. I sold them at the livestock auctions or to my co-workers and neighbors. Not once did my animals suffer inhumane treatment, I even gave most of them names. I had a quarter acre vegetable farm and sold corn, tomatoes, potatoes among other items. I am not arguing with anyone about their choices other than to say we have much bigger problems that need our attention first. It is not a Walgreen world out there.
 
I remember reading an article (think it was in Reader's Digest) about plants being aware of things. The researchers had hooked the plant up to some kind of a meter that registered vibrations or other changes from them. Then, they had a persson come in the room and just totally shred up one of the plants (right in front of the other plants).
After that they had people walk through the room, one at a time. The plants did not show any reaction until the "plant-murderer" walked through the room, and then all of the vibrations just went crazy on the meter.
Somehow, even wothout eyes or ears, the plants knew when one plant was viciously shredded, as well as exactly which person did the shredding.
I think that a vegetarian or even a vegan diet is probably what would be the best for us; and if we did eat meat, then it should be killed fast and humanely, and not made to suffer as it is dying.

As to whether we are designed to eat meat or not; I once read that you should look at a picture of a mutilated rabbit, and then one of a fresh apple or peach, and see which one stimulates your appetite.
 
SifuPhil said:
I really don't believe that being overweight is the fault of meat being eaten. As I always tell the dieting dilettantes, calories in have to be less than calories out.

What I think Debby is seeing is the result of our non-physically-oriented lives. Take a vegan, have them sit in front of the TV with their bowl of healthy snacks long enough and you'll end up with a chubby vegan.
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Natural food is just that 'natural' with fibre. Processed food is calorie concentrated, with little or no fibre. Not only that but the typical western diet is highly acidic and an acid state is a fertile breeding ground for disease.
The health of the nation would be greatly enhanced by adopting a plant based diet - vegetables, fruit, nuts, seeds and healthy grains. (Such foods being largely alkaline and nutrient rich.)
 
Son_of_Perdition said:
Being born ........we have much bigger problems that need our attention first. It is not a Walgreen world out there.
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Unfortunately the practise of eating meat can easily be added to that list of 'biggies' as it directly impacts the environment in a very drastic way. Think deforestation (we need forests for their air and rain), water pollution, water depletion, air pollution (both as a result of animal related transport and as a result of the methane produced by billions of animals) and loss of biodiversity. All of these impact all of us.

It can be safely said that meat consumption impacts us on three levels, health, environmental health and the spiritual aspect as in it presents us with the need to justify the abuse of billions of animals in ways that we would NEVER countenance if someone did it to their pet. Do to a litter of puppies and their mother, what is done to a sow and her piglets, and the populace would demand vengeance.
 
Happyflowerlady said:
I remember reading an article (think it was in Reader's Digest) about plants being aware of things. The researchers had hooked the plant up to some kind of a meter that registered vibrations or other changes from them. Then, they had a persson come in the room and just totally shred up one of the plants (right in front of the other plants).
After that they had people walk through the room, one at a time. The plants did not show any reaction until the "plant-murderer" walked through the room, and then all of the vibrations just went crazy on the meter.
Somehow, even wothout eyes or ears, the plants knew when one plant was viciously shredded, as well as exactly which person did the shredding.
I think that a vegetarian or even a vegan diet is probably what would be the best for us; and if we did eat meat, then it should be killed fast and humanely, and not made to suffer as it is dying.

As to whether we are designed to eat meat or not; I once read that you should look at a picture of a mutilated rabbit, and then one of a fresh apple or peach, and see which one stimulates your appetite.
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I read of a Japanese scientist who discovered 'awareness' in water and later in metal and came across the linked video below.

In order for a plant (carrot) to feel pain, it would have to have a neural network and a brain. And the fact that plants have not evolved a way to sense danger and run from it as the animals have, suggests that pain is not high on their list of priorities.To date there has been no peer reviewed, relevant research into plants and pain that I am aware of.

However, this link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAvzsjcBtx8 will show you what happens when water is subjected to shows of emotion. It is a response to a vibration of negative or positive energy, just as plants respond to the energy that we give off. After all, at the most basic sub molecular level, we are all made of vibrating energy whether plants, water, people. Our very emotions are energy as are our thoughts. Electrical impulses given off by by neurons in the brain.
Having viewed the really fascinating video Happyflowerlady, is it not highly possible that those plants are merely responding to the energy that every human gives off simply as a result of living. If water can be affected....?

Here is a video that talks about the electricity in plants. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGLABm7jJ-Y which could well be supportive of my theory as to that experiment.
 
Rabbits - easy and most economical meat to raise. High in protein, their waste can be recycled directly into your garden without the problems of other animal waste. It takes less ground to produce feed, you can raise all their feed on a smaller plot of ground than is required to produce one gallon of ethanol, not to mention how much area, chemicals and water it takes to produce high fructose corn syrup for your candy bar.

They don't require a large area to house them. Where it takes one acre to support a beef cattle you can raise a whole bunch of rabbits. Two breeding rabbits can produce more meat in one year than one beef cattle. I raised them on my farm and the family couldn't eat them fast enough so I sold them to anyone who wanted to try them. They are cleaner than chickens or turkeys. Easy to butcher, skin and dress.
 
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Register your blender. Blender violence is the 3rd largest cause of dead plants. Animal violence being the first.
Finding your wavelength is the first problem in any college Freshman physics class.


Whipping dead horses is part of internet folk lore.
 
will show you what happens when water is subjected to shows of emotion. It is a response to a vibration of negative or positive energy, just as plants respond to the energy that we give off.

didn't they make a movie about that? "Airbender" or something like that.
 
Happyflowerlady said:
... As to whether we are designed to eat meat or not; I once read that you should look at a picture of a mutilated rabbit, and then one of a fresh apple or peach, and see which one stimulates your appetite.
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One could also look at a picture of a decaying, maggot-laden apple lying in a puddle of mud, and then one of an expertly-prepared plate of hossenfeffer ... that's hardly an unbiased test.
 
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