Police in VA Pepper Sprayed Black Army Lieutenant For......

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Dana said:
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You are asking : “Who are "these folks?" An army officer driving home with his dog in the car?”

The answer is in my opinion: An army officer who should know better, He had no rear licence plate…his SUV had tinted windows. He did the wrong thing. He did not obey commands.

The officer should not be fired because this teaches him and others nothing. He should have received long and intensive training on how to conduct himself and also some psychiatric help. He was fired because they feared the usual riot, if immediate action was not taken.

If people always jump to the defence of motorists (black or white) who do the wrong thing…they are setting them up for future disaster… you’re doing them NO favours. Instead teach them how to respond in a civil manner.
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He had a legal temporary registration posted in the rear window where it was supposed to be posted.
 
rgp said:
So here we are once again, no meaningful, substantive content relating to the topic @ hand. Just snarky remarks about the poster. In this case me.

Feel better ? Got it off your chest.
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In case you didn't notice...I wasn't the one who said Good thing RGP isn't a cop (first). I quoted Keesha's reply which I usually put in quote marks but forgot this time. So you replied to my reply to her. LOL :ROFLMAO: As the original poster, I think my substantial view has already been established.
 
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JimBob1952 said:
This happened not too far from where I live so it's on local news all the time. It's unpleasant to watch, to say the least. One of the police seems to have a real attitude problem, especially when he asks Lt. Nazario if he's an enlisted man and finds out that he's an officer. I presume this is the police officer who was subsequently fired.

I don't quite understand the lieutenant's reasoning in being unwilling to leave the car, but I don't understand the drawn guns or the pepper spray either. And then at the end of the incident Lt. Nazario wasn't charged with anything.
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Why should the LT. have been charged with anything. It was a bogus stop to begin with. You don't understand why he was afraid to get out of the car...really?! He was afraid that in that deserted area, they were going to beat the sh*t out of him and/or kill him. I understand it perfectly I believe you are correct about which officer was fired.

@Nosy Bee-54 Re: your last reply....Exactly!
 
The officers told him to get out of the car 48 times by my count. 48 times! They should have been given awards for putting up with this punks crap. Punks that don't follow police commands are striking the match that can lead to fires.
 
fmdog44 said:
The officers told him to get out of the car 48 times by my count. 48 times! They should have been given awards for putting up with this punks crap. Punks that don't follow police commands are striking the match that can lead to fires.
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Agree strongly here ......... for some reason, they just don't get it ?!!?
 
Patch said:
"Driving while black". The military officer did not want to stop in the dark, unknowing why he was being targeted. He drove 1 minute and 20 seconds to a lighted area to stop. That procedure is recommended by many police departments. Supposedly stopped for no visible registration and tinted windows. Why would the officers pull their weapons and order the gentleman from his car. What had he done to appear dangerous to them or the public.

He immediately followed the orders to put his hands outside the vehicle. When ordered out of the vehicle, he said he was scared to exit. Well, with no explanation as to why he'd been stopped and with two officers pointing their handguns as him, didn't he at least deserve an explanation as to why he have been stopped? The senior officer yelled at him he "should be scared" to get out of the car. That officer also used a movie line that the military officer would "ride the lightning"... be electrocuted. Still, no indication of why he was being stopped.

The senior officer proceeded to spray the military gentleman, blinding him. He was pulled from the vehicle. Then, the senior officer told the uniformed military officer not to report the incident to his superiors. They let him go on his way.

No person, black or white, should be treated like this by a police officer. No person, black or white, should be threatened by an officer for a minor traffic infraction. And... once the officers approached the vehicle, the temporary registration was clearly displayed in the vehicle's rear window. The senior officer was fired... as he should have been. The Sergeant Major of the Army, based at the Pentagon, issued a statement commending the Lieutenant for his ability to remain calm throughout the incident. He displayed demeanor that made us all proud to know he is a U.S. Army soldier, caught in a difficult situation by an out-of-control police officer.

I sincerely hope he is successful in his civil suit against the officer and the City.
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After women were raped & murdered by fake police officers, people were told to drive to a well-lighted area when pulled over by a cop.
And, here is a real police officer who was convicted of rape & murder during bogus traffic stops:
George Gwaltney, a former officer from Barstow, was convicted on May 10, 1984 in federal court for the on‑duty rape and slaying of 23-year-old Robin Bishop on January 11, 1982. He had reported finding a dead body off a deserted stretch of interstate 15 the same day he murdered her with his service weapon.

https://www.upi.com/Archives/1984/05/11/Former-highway-patrolman-convicted-in-death/6797453096000/
 
AnnieA said:
This is nuts. You can hear the second officer say "Traffic stop at BP." Next he opens his door and immediately racks the slide of his gun. Thinking that's not! an acceptable progression for a traffic stop.
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The "initial" encounter seems to be lawful. The Lt. did not stop when was lit up, that in and of itself is an offense/crime. It clearly was not a Gov. vehicle. They could not run a plate because none was visible. The call to draw weapons when stopped is most probably the reason the Lt. was scared. IMO, the police greatly escalated the situation. But in initial support of, the police were scared to. I can't say drawing weapons was necessary initially, nor can I say it was not.

But the fact he was in a lit up area now, which was his intention, the police should have surmised this, he did not "flee" as to put a chase procedure in effect, there is a difference. The repeated requests for him exit his car escalated the conduct. They should have then turned their strategy to another method.
 
police are not supermen,they are just as afraid of getting shot as the supposed criminal and they act accordingly, they are not swat,sf,seals who are trained in heavy tactics. but on the other hand i have always maintained that if you did not want to get shot then find another job, they have body proctection on, they are armed.
 
fmdog44 said:
The officers told him to get out of the car 48 times by my count. 48 times! They should have been given awards for putting up with this punks crap. Punks that don't follow police commands are striking the match that can lead to fires.
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I think the characterization of an active duty Army lieutenant going home from work as a "punk" is a bit over the top.
 
The REASON for outlawing certain degrees of window tinting is the police cannot see inside. So the punk lieutenant knowing broke the law for a reason long before he was pulled over. Maybe an extended tour in the Middle East would get his little brain right. Oh, and by the way when a cop tells you do something do it.
 

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