Riots and Looting

hollydolly said:
I saw both the truck....and the SUV ..I was actually terrified for the driver of the truck, I thought they were going to kill him when they dragged him out of the cab. They did beat him up but thank god he wasn't seriously injured.
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During the Rodney King riots in L.A. some years ago, a truck driver was stopped and pulled from his truck by these savages and beaten to the point where he could not see. A married couple watching this were appalled, got him back into the truck and somehow were able to get him driving blind, giving him directions to the nearest hospital. During an interview later on, he was eternally grateful to this couple who literally saved his life. So, not all are bad. The couple stated emphatically that they could not stand by an allow this barbarism continue and give their race a bad name. We are all humans under different colored skins. That is all.
 

We don't always enact legislation, or change things because it's the right thing to do. It may take other methods. Since the protests, how many police departments are telling their crews that it's okay to kneel on suspects' throats?
 
Lewkat said:
During the Rodney King riots in L.A. some years ago, a truck driver was stopped and pulled from his truck by these savages and beaten to the point where he could not see. A married couple watching this were appalled, got him back into the truck and somehow were able to get him driving blind, giving him directions to the nearest hospital. During an interview later on, he was eternally grateful to this couple who literally saved his life. So, not all are bad. The couple stated emphatically that they could not stand by an allow this barbarism continue and give their race a bad name. We are all humans under different colored skins. That is all.
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I was escorted to work every day in the later 60's when they had the "race" riots in Cleveland. It makes me wonder now, watching this unfold, how much things have not changed. Back then they did have Martin Luther King that came and told them "not to set their race back 200 years" and to "go home (after calling a cop if they saw B & E or looting". Sigh.
 

fuzzybuddy said:
We don't always enact legislation, or change things because it's the right thing to do. It may take other methods. Since the protests, how many police departments are telling their crews that it's okay to kneel on suspects' throats?
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It wasn’t okay to begin with, methods like that are not taught at The Federal Law Enforcement Training Center, matter of fact it’s specifically taught not to put any body weight on the upper back or neck when a suspect is in a face down position.

A lack of discipline that comes from the chief on down the command and poor training, make’s a recipe for disaster.
 
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It has been brought up several times that some are instigating the rioting and looting. Black people are being blamed for it and it's not always Black people who are doing it. I just saw a live FB video of a Black woman pleading with two white women who were spray painting BLM (Black Lives Matter) on buildings. She told them to stop because she knew Blacks would be blamed for it. It is not an isolated case. Here's a video about bricks being delivered in masse...by whom? For what purpose? To incite riots and looting. As is stated in the video, rioting and looting hurts, not helps our cause.
I don't condone looting or non peaceful protests. But some of the protesters have been inflamed more so because they are being targeted by police who inflict harm, even while they protesting peacefully!
 
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OneEyedDiva said:
It has been brought up several times that some are instigating the rioting and looting. Black people are being blamed for it and it's not always Black people who are doing it. I just saw a live FB video of a Black woman pleading with two white women who were spray painting BLM (Black Lives Matter) on buildings. She told the to stop because she knew Blacks would be blamed for it. It is not an isolated case. Here's a video about bricks being delivered in masse...by whom? For what purpose? To incite riots and looting. As is stated in the video, rioting and looting hurts, not helps our cause.
I don't condone looting or non peaceful protests. But some of the protesters have been inflamed more so because they are being targeted by police who inflict harm, even while they protesting peacefully!
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We all have TVs, we all see PEOPLE looting. Those PEOPLE are all different colors and races. I mean no disrespect to you, but the post you just made is an example of the problem. This is why there will never be true harmony between colors and races.

As long as PEOPLE define themselves by their color, or define others by color, there will be no peace. Both blacks and whites do this, as do other races. However, when a white man has been killed by the POLICE, I have never seen white people use that as an excuse to riot and loot.

Actually, I don’t even remember seeing any significant protest over police killing a white man, certainly not country wide protest, but I could be wrong. PEOPLE, of all colors and races, are sometimes killed by the police.

PEOPLE riot, I haven’t heard anyone say the riots were specifically caused by black people. I have seen organizations, white organizers, blamed.

We are either part of the problem or part of the solution. We each choose what role we play.
 
Aneeda72 said:
We all have TVs, we all see PEOPLE looting. Those PEOPLE are all different colors and races. I mean no disrespect to you, but the post you just made is an example of the problem. This is why there will never be true harmony between colors and races.

As long as PEOPLE define themselves by their color, or define others by color, there will be no peace. Both blacks and whites do this, as do other races. However, when a white man has been killed by the POLICE, I have never seen white people use that as an excuse to riot and loot.

Actually, I don’t even remember seeing any significant protest over police killing a white man, certainly not country wide protest, but I could be wrong. PEOPLE, of all colors and races, are sometimes killed by the police.

PEOPLE riot, I haven’t heard anyone say the riots were specifically caused by black people. I have seen organizations, white organizers, blamed.

We are either part of the problem or part of the solution. We each choose what role we play.
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Ya know...this is the second time you've come at me with some BS (last time, different subject matter). I've always been empathetic toward you in regard to your posts...so I don't know what your problem is but you've got it a*s backwards. I did not say that only White people were looting. I did not say Black people are not looting. I simply posted about what's being said about instigators and who they might be. It is what it is and neither you or I can change that. Truth be told, very rarely is a White person who is unarmed killed in this country. I can't tell the masses when and when not to protest. If you've read my other posts, you would know where I stand about rioting, looting and peace and harmony between the races. If you can't reply intelligently to me, don't do it at all. Thank you!
 
I strongly suspect that all this rioting and looting is related to the disruption in our society due to the extreme measures being taken to control this CoronaVirus. Millions of people are out of work, and millions are having to stay home with little or nothing to occupy their time and minds. Large numbers of young people have seen their schools closed, and had to try to continue their education remotely. The "frustration" in our society has reached levels not seen since the Great Depression.

Then, along comes this incident where the police Obviously overreacted, and the media has given it massive coverage. Bingo! This sparks an explosion of concern across society, and supplies a reason to "do something". What starts out as a peaceful display of concern is quickly eroded by the radical and criminal elements, and now the entire nation is thrown into upheaval.

Governments...both National and Local...were caught off guard, and various combinations of both Overreaction....And Lack of action, have only exasperated the situation. Damage to both lives and property have far exceeded anything we've seen in recent years.

Between this virus....with no end in sight....and these senseless acts of violence, spurred by stupidity on the part of a bad cop, the year 2020 is going to go down as one of the most disruptive, and divisive in the nations history. Ultimately, the longer these acts of protest continue, the more they will contribute to Racial Disparity....Confrontation only hardens attitudes.
 
From the Washington Post,

995 were killed by police in 2018

403 were white, 210 were black, 148 were Hispanic, 38 were classified as other, and 199 were classified as unknown.

Out of that 995, 47 were unarmed — 23 were white, 17 were black, 5 were Hispanic, and 2 were unknown.

About 10,000,000 people are arrested each year, amazing there are not more killed.

What has always been disconcerting to any person is the amount of civilian on civilian homicides in some of these cities.
 
What has always been disconcerting to any person is the amount of civilian on civilian homicides in some of these cities.
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What is disconcerting to this non citizen is the sheer number of firearms floating around. I know that not every homicide is a shooting but do you really need that many guns?
 
JB in SC said:
From the Washington Post,

995 were killed by police in 2018

403 were white, 210 were black, 148 were Hispanic, 38 were classified as other, and 199 were classified as unknown.

Out of that 995, 47 were unarmed — 23 were white, 17 were black, 5 were Hispanic, and 2 were unknown.

About 10,000,000 people are arrested each year, amazing there are not more killed.

What has always been disconcerting to any person is the amount of civilian on civilian homicides in some of these cities.
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Thanks for the information
 
OneEyedDiva said:
Ya know...this is the second time you've come at me with some BS (last time, different subject matter). I've always been empathetic toward you in regard to your posts...so I don't know what your problem is but you've got it a*s backwards. I did not say that only White people were looting. I did not say Black people are not looting. I simply posted about what's being said about instigators and who they might be. It is what it is and neither you or I can change that. Truth be told, very rarely is a White person who is unarmed killed in this country. I can't tell the masses when and when not to protest. If you've read my other posts, you would know where I stand about rioting, looting and peace and harmony between the races. If you can't reply intelligently to me, don't do it at all. Thank you!
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It always amazes and surprises me when some individuals on the forum respond with “you are coming after me”; when I or someone else responds and disagrees with what they write. I even wrote that I meant “NO DISRESPECT TO YOU” in regards my answer.

You posted in regards to what was being said, yes, and I posted a response, to what was being said. Since you didn‘t say it, what I posted wasn’t about you. Why would you think it was?However, @OneEyedDiva, you came after me swearing and claiming I cannot write intelligently. 🤦🏻‍♀️

Yes, I can.

If you don’t want to read what I write, please use the ignore button. Or read the post of @JB in SC.
 
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Warrigal said:
What is disconcerting to this non citizen is the sheer number of firearms floating around. I know that not every homicide is a shooting but do you really need that many guns?
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Not me personally.

I have no fear of them. Some live in constant fear of everything bad, I don't.

The chances are almost zero.
 
JB in SC said:
Not me personally.

I have no fear of them. Some live in constant fear of everything bad, I don't.

The chances are almost zero.
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Well, I would be afraid to own a gun cause I might shoot some stupid person. But I am not afraid of guns, or people who own guns, or if I might get shot. I just never want to hurt another human being, ever.

Seriously, when I yell at my husband and become the wicked witch, I always start with “don’t take this personally but you are such a 🤬”. Cause I do have a temper, yes indeed, but I don’t want to hurt his feelings. 😄
 
@Aneeda72

Some don't feel comfortable with firearms, and no person should own one for self defense without having serious training, knowledge of self defense laws in their state, and some basic knowledge of tactics (when to stand and when to retreat).
 
So sad to see what is happening in your country. Capitalism does not promote equality. I do not consider myself a Marxist or socialist but when you have systems where people profit from those who use their labour to make the goods that others profit from I just wonder whether a different approach is needed.

If for example those looters worked in a factory/shop which was owned by them and they shared the profit how would they feel if it was looted?I also feel there is a psychological element to this and that is those looters would be devastated if their things were taken. Peaceful protest YES but looting does nothing to show respect for the person who lost his life. I wonder what George Floyd would say if he saw what was happening - bless him.
 
Treacle said:
Having written the above I hope this isn't regarded as political. As I'm new to this apologies if it seems that way. Still learning about the forum 🤔
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No apologies necessary, you post from a different perspective. There is tremendous opportunity in the US, we probably have more small business owners now than any point in the last hundred years. That does not flourish under socialism or marxism.

My late dad told me fifty years ago that working for someone else will never make you rich. I heeded his advice a little late, thankfully not too late.
 
JB in SC said:
From the Washington Post,

995 were killed by police in 2018

403 were white, 210 were black, 148 were Hispanic, 38 were classified as other, and 199 were classified as unknown.

Out of that 995, 47 were unarmed — 23 were white, 17 were black, 5 were Hispanic, and 2 were unknown.

About 10,000,000 people are arrested each year, amazing there are not more killed.

What has always been disconcerting to any person is the amount of civilian on civilian homicides in some of these cities.
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Interesting figures. It would be more valuable if the various numbers were related to the different percentages of the population. It would make for a better comparison but thanks for the figures.
 
Today's Washington Post had an article about the war on journalists apparently being waged by police forces. Journalists just doing their job have been repeatedly assaulted, threatened, sprayed, etc. all over the country. This is really alarming; we have to have a free press, or we really do turn into a banana republic.
 
Aneeda72 said:
It always amazes and surprises me when some individuals on the forum respond with “you are coming after me”; when I or someone else responds and disagrees with what they write. I even wrote that I meant “NO DISRESPECT TO YOU” in regards my answer.

You posted in regards to what was being said, yes, and I posted a response, to what was being said. Since you didn‘t say it, what I posted wasn’t about you. Why would you think it was?However, @OneEyedDiva, you came after me swearing and claiming I cannot write intelligently. 🤦🏻‍♀️

Yes, I can.

If you don’t want to read what I write, please use the ignore button. Or read the post of @JB in SC.
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This is what you wrote to me..."I mean no disrespect to you, but the post you just made is an example of the problem. This is why there will never be true harmony between colors and races." The part I bolded is what made it personal Aneeda. As was discussed in another thread, sometimes written comments don't come across as they were truly intended. I would not have taken it personally if it was worded something like "the incident you posted about is an example of the problem". Just sayin....
 

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