Shoot Down THIS Incident

Bob, if you doubt the reality of trauma incurred by young men and women who have had to take the lives of others, i politely extend you an invitation to sit in my office sometime. I counsel both vets and civilians who have been so affected. A righteous killing is still a killing, and many people are severely affected. Police officers also.
 

This mother who was breastfeeding her baby in her own home, although injured from shots, was able to survive a break-in to her home by armed intruders. Her infant was not harmed.

It's good that this woman had a gun and was smart enough to use it, it may have saved her life and the life of her baby. I say it's good for all those who choose to protect themselves in their own homes to be able to do so, a call to 911 and the wait for the police to arrive after the long detailed phone call to the operator may have lost these two precious innocent lives. http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/09/us/breast-feeding-mom-home-intruders-charlotte/


CNN)A man has been charged in the home invasion and shooting of a North Carolina mom last week.

Semantha Bunce, 21, a combat medic in the National Guard, was in her Charlotte home breast-feeding her 4-month-old son in her bedroom when intruders barged in Tuesday, November 3, according to CNN affiliate WSOC.

As the intruders broke into the home and opened fire, Bunce fired back with her own weapon.

"I think it was a shock to the intruders just as much as it was to her," her husband, Paul Bunce, told the affiliate.
Her son was unharmed in the shooting, police said.
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Shalimar said:
Jeez Imp, did you have to mention the kitten drowning thing? If it did not traumatise you that is not to your credit. Guess you
are not much of an animal lover. It certainly traumatised me, and I suspect, many other animal lovers on this forum. In future, a little sensitivity around such subjects would be appreciated I am certain. As for my knowledge around causal links promoting
trauma, hopefully decades of experience have taught me something, unless you are suggesting I am incompetent, my friend?
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I am suggesting nothing more than the fact that I was at an early age exposed to one of the much lesser desirable "facts of life", witnessed it, digested it, tried to understand it, and was not "ruined forever". Was the Old Man remiss? Should he not have allowed me to observe, or perhaps not disposed of the kittens at all? He grew up on a farm, where the killing of animals was a normal, accepted thing. My god, if some of you ever saw a slaughterhouse, or livestock feedyard, I cannot imagine the permanent harm that would be done.

Have you awareness that in the rural, agricultural areas, daily reports include the numbers of animals slaughtered? Do you have any idea of the numbers? It even shocked me, back in Missouri. Typically, hogs, > 250,000 DAILY. Beef cattle, > 150,000 DAILY.

I guess that must be necessary to support the export needs to feed the world's hungry? imp
 

Do not speak to this survivor of the harsh realities of life Imp! Have you forgotten what I have shared with you about my childhood? Yes your father was wrong to unnecessarily expose you to such things. Do you really think you have made it to

your seventies without incurring any trauma whatsoever? With respect, I doubt that very much. As for animals as food, we eat far too much meat protein as it is. I have seen things far more grisly than a slaughterhouse, I guarantee you would be

traumatised by them now Imp--even though you are no longer a child but a mature adult.
 
SeaBreeze said:
This mother who was breastfeeding her baby in her own home, although injured from shots, was able to survive a break-in to her home by armed intruders. Her infant was not harmed.

It's good that this woman had a gun and was smart enough to use it, it may have saved her life and the life of her baby. I say it's good for all those who choose to protect themselves in their own homes to be able to do so, a call to 911 and the wait for the police to arrive after the long detailed phone call to the operator may have lost these two precious innocent lives. http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/09/us/breast-feeding-mom-home-intruders-charlotte/
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I've never been in this situation but this bit puzzles me

As the intruders broke into the home and opened fire, Bunce fired back with her own weapon.
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Why would intruders break into a home and open fire? That doesn't sound like best practice for a burglar.
Also, why would they then rush into the bedroom and open fire at a mother with a baby at the breast?
That doesn't sound like best practice either.

I reckon they might just have fired at a woman who was pointing a gun at them, or who had already opened fire at them.

Methinks the newspaper report is a bit short of pertinent details.
 
Some people grow up in situations that demanded they develope a stronger sense of self defense, it is a part of survival for many. I grew up in a world that was very predatory, and if you didn't develope your abilities to defend yourself, you ended up a victim.

I've have had to protect myself with a gun. I was lucky, and the police showed up before anything serious happened, but I'm positive that if I hadn't had a gun to protect myself, I wouldn't have survived.

I was raised by a military family, and some even went into the police force, so I was brought up to respect guns. I hunted from an early age. Hunting put food on our table when my family couldn't find work, or there just wasn't enough to go around.

It is a totally different view point than what most people are raised with today.
 
I won't argue with you about people being traumatized at all. It does happen to many. Have you never met anyone that was proud of his actions? Maybe a military person that did some great things that he was proud of? I am some how sure that he would be proud of that. How about that US Army person in Europe that spent a day and killed many. He became a national hero and there was even a movie made about his adventures. I just can not remember his name right off. Someone on here probably will. No guarantee that the 13 year old will be traumatized if he is proud of what he did.
 
I wouldn't hesitate to kill an animal to feed myself or my family if things were desperate.
I would prefer starvation to cannibalism but who knows what we are capable of in extremis.

I would plunge a knife deep into the chest of someone who was seriously threatening my family, and I would twist the knife.

However, I don't spend every day of my life preparing for such a scenario.
I don't obsess about killing animals or people.

I do eat meat but insist on regulation of slaughter houses to keep the standards high.
 
Warrigal said:
I reckon they might just have fired at a woman who was pointing a gun at them, or who had already opened fire at them.

Methinks the newspaper report is a bit short of pertinent details.
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Even if that was the case, it doesn't matter Warrigal. She became aware of two intruders who broke into her home. She reacted to the emergency to protect herself and her child, rather than cower in the bedroom waiting to be possibly beaten and executed. She acted to save her own life and the life of her baby, she did the right thing and is alive to talk about it.
 
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BobF said:
Why should he become traumatized and feel guilty. That will all depend on how his family treats him now and in the future. He may become proud of being an independent hero for having the courage to shoot it out with some criminals and win the shoot out. I think he did well. But I think he did well and needs his families support. No trauma needed.
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I agree Bob, why would he be traumatized to protecting himself against an intruder, he did do well and I'm sure he's happy he lived through the whole ordeal and will speak of it proudly.

Ina said:
Some people grow up in situations that demanded they develope a stronger sense of self defense, it is a part of survival for many. I grew up in a world that was very predatory, and if you didn't develope your abilities to defend yourself, you ended up a victim.

I've have had to protect myself with a gun. I was lucky, and the police showed up before anything serious happened, but I'm positive that if I hadn't had a gun to protect myself, I wouldn't have survived.

I was raised by a military family, and some even went into the police force, so I was brought up to respect guns. I hunted from an early age. Hunting put food on our table when my family couldn't find work, or there just wasn't enough to go around. Glad you're still with us Ina, and your gun gave you some leverage over a threatening situation.

It is a totally different view point than what most people are raised with today.
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You're so right Ina, and you're not the only one who was raised in America prepared and self-sufficient. I've never had to go hunting, but would with no problem if I needed the food, those living in rural or remote areas have been doing this since the beginning of time. I was raised in a big city, no guns in my household, but I am completely in favor of gun ownership and use in a responsible manner. I have a gun and never had to use it for protection, but it's there and ready if the time comes...hopefully it never will, so occasional target practice will be all for me.

Glad you're still with us Ina, and your gun gave you some needed leverage in a threatening situation.
 
Why is it not possible to be proud of protecting oneself and still be traumatised by the necessity? The two things are not mutually exclusive after all. There is no shame in being upset over causing the death of another, however justified it may be. It

merely speaks to one's humanity, not weakness. This prevalent suck it up hero, view of things often adds unnecessary stress to those individuals civilian and otherwise, already feeling shame over needing help to deal with necessary killings. If

untreated, critical incident trauma almost always leads to PTSD. I have spent decades dealing with such things, it is beyond time for people to wake up and offer support not denial/judgement to the sufferers.
 
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Warrigal said:
Why would intruders break into a home and open fire? That doesn't sound like best practice for a burglar.
Also, why would they then rush into the bedroom and open fire at a mother with a baby at the breast?
That doesn't sound like best practice either.

I reckon they might just have fired at a woman who was pointing a gun at them, or who had already opened fire at them.

Methinks the newspaper report is a bit short of pertinent details.
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They likely wouldn't. Draws too much attention. UNLESS, they were so "high" it felt like the right thing to do. Wonder which way the article is trying to "slant" the information. Or, if obtained from one side or another, but not all three.

Recalling the scene in "Con Air", a great movie, by the way, where John Cusack, FBI, and Nicholas Cage, Military Special Forces, face each other, each pointing a handgun at the other, debating the outcome in words. It DON'T HAPPEN.

Numerous times I pass our TV, and a scene is showing out in which several cops are pointing their arms at an armed individual, no shots are fired, and they talk the bad guy out of it. Absolutely unrealistic. When guns are pointed by adversaries in the real world, the result is at least one gun being fired immediately. imp
 
Shalimar said:
Do not speak to this survivor of the harsh realities of life Imp! Have you forgotten what I have shared with you about my childhood? Yes your father was wrong to unnecessarily expose you to such things. Do you really think you have made it to

your seventies without incurring any trauma whatsoever? With respect, I doubt that very much. As for animals as food, we eat far too much meat protein as it is. I have seen things far more grisly than a slaughterhouse, I guarantee you would be

traumatised by them now Imp--even though you are no longer a child but a mature adult.
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Agreed and understood. Forget not, please, my own experience of finding and having to step over the bodies of two close relatives, to get to the telephone, Shali. I reiterate this because I realized then, deep down inside, that I could go "round the bend", or steel myself to accept the circumstances, as I realized I MUST bring that about for my wife. We went forward unaided and faced most harsh reality alone, and survived. imp
 
A Good Thing!

Warrigal said:
I wouldn't hesitate to kill an animal to feed myself or my family if things were desperate.
I would prefer starvation to cannibalism but who knows what we are capable of in extremis.

I would plunge a knife deep into the chest of someone who was seriously threatening my family, and I would twist the knife.

However, I don't spend every day of my life preparing for such a scenario.
I don't obsess about killing animals or people.

I do eat meat but insist on regulation of slaughter houses to keep the standards high.
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The truly good and respectable thing about this post is that Warri tells what SHE would do "if", what SHE thinks might happen "if"...and so on. Not belittling anyone else's position.

This is good. imp
 
Warrigal said:
However, I don't spend every day of my life preparing for such a scenario.
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Then the odds are you will be like the majority of people in such situations - frozen by fear and mislead by your socially-induced reflexes. Just thinking it won't make it so - you HAVE to commit the proper responses to body memory, not just mental ruminations. If you have to take time to think of what to do during a crises, you've lost. This isn't just my own opinion - it has been proven thousands of times by real-world scenarios and is the basis of training of soldiers, police and martial artists.
 
SeaBreeze said:
Even if that was the case, it doesn't matter Warrigal. She became aware of two intruders who broke into her home. She reacted to the emergency to protect herself and her child, rather than cower in the bedroom waiting to be possibly beaten and executed. She acted to save her own life and the life of her baby, she did the right thing and is alive to talk about it.
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I agree that I would have done the same thing if I was faced with a threat to my baby. What I'm not sure of is the way that the incident has been written up. It doesn't quite gel IMO.
 
Well Warri, we never know how accurate and complete reports are that we hear in the news. Sometimes things that are reported as facts to us, are changed a week later, as they were just speculation. Sometimes the changes are never reported to us.
 

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