Shooting at First Baptist chuch in TX

This guy should have been barred from buying a firearm....IF some USAF clerk had done their job. He was convicted of domestic assault on both his wife and young child, sentenced to a year in jail, and given a dishonorable discharge. The USAF failed to send his records to the FBI and the ATF...which would have flagged him as a felon, and forbid his purchase of a weapon. Instead, because of a bureaucratic overlook, we now have another mass shooting.
 

Don M. said:
This guy should have been barred from buying a firearm....IF some USAF clerk had done their job. He was convicted of domestic assault on both his wife and young child, sentenced to a year in jail, and given a dishonorable discharge. The USAF failed to send his records to the FBI and the ATF...which would have flagged him as a felon, and forbid his purchase of a weapon. Instead, because of a bureaucratic overlook, we now have another mass shooting.
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Don ...I heard the same thing on the news .( on the radio ) .here In Australia, it doesn’t take long for news like that to travel ..and of course they always bring up the worst massacre Australia ever had in ...Tasmania
 
neotheone said:
No apparent bias with Snopes reporting. Some may not like reading reports that contain negative information about their favorite public figure.

Some media either ignores or sugar-coats reporting, Snopes strives to get true accurate information...that is their only mission.
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Forbes magazine attempted to ascertain the absence of bias at Snopes. They came away with a lot of unanswered questions from one of the founders.
Regardless of whether the Daily Mail article is correct in its claims about Snopes, at the least what does emerge from my exchanges with Snopes’ founder is the image of the ultimate black box presenting a gleaming veneer of ultimate arbitration of truth, yet with absolutely no insight into its inner workings. While technology pundits decry the black boxes of the algorithms that increasingly power companies like Facebook, they have forgotten that even the human-powered sites offer us little visibility into how they function.
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How on earth could anyone ascertain the absence of bias? Isn't that like the old saw that says you can't prove a negative? Is Forbes so above reproach it can determine Snopes doesn't belong to the same rarified atmosphere?
 
Smiling Jane said:
How on earth could anyone ascertain the absence of bias? Isn't that like the old saw that says you can't prove a negative? Is Forbes so above reproach it can determine Snopes doesn't belong to the same rarified atmosphere?
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Well, I think perhaps Forbes has more of an "old-school" type of aura about it, whereas Snopes might be viewed as the "new kid on the block". Certainly, to the older generations, a tangible, paper-based magazine has a better history than a purely web-based outfit.

"Absence of bias" was probably MY term, not theirs. If so, I apologize.

But I think it all boils down to "Who watches the watchers?". And that applies not just to Snopes - it's an important thing to know in these days of so many watchers and "authorities".

BTW: An interesting little paper about how you CAN prove a negative. :D
 
I found that same article when I was looking up info on 'proving a negative.'

I subscribe to WaPo online and enjoy their Pinocchio awards. For the most part, I've appreciated Snopes but I don't usually go into it having already made up my mind. It's an interesting fact-checker for those of us who don't believe people walk on water.
 
Our church now requires that anyone, member or not, who is late for the start of the service must enter through the outside office door. It is coming to the point where churches, nightclubs and the like will have metal detectors placed at the entrance doors. We have two high schools in our county that require anyone that enters the door must pass through a metal detector. This practice has been going on for several years. In the one school, the principal was killed by a student and in the other school, numerous weapons have been taken away from students.

http://old.post-gazette.com/localnews/20030425redlionrp2.asp
 
Camper6 said:
I didn't appreciate the light hearted humorous response to such a serious tragedy in that thread.
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"Camper6" in no was was my posting, about the murders here in Dallas, intended to be humorous, and if you perceived it that way I apologize for the misunderstanding.
 
Pete said:
"Camper6" in no was was my posting, about the murders here in Dallas, intended to be humorous, and if you perceived it that way I apologize for the misunderstanding.
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It wasn't your post. Sorry about that. It was in the thread. It was a Steve Lee video from You Tube singing about how he loves guns surrounded by them.

Sorry. I didn't appreciate the humor.
 
There's one thing I do not understand.

The daughter of the NRA instructor who responded and shot Kelley.

She heard the gun shots. Instead of phoning 911 she decided to drive to the church to see what was going on.

Then she drives back to her father's house and informs him of what was going on.

He rushes to the scene without shoes on and accosts the shooter who was leaving the scene.

Wouldn't it make more sense to phone 911 first?
 
Warrigal said:
I'd still ring them first to minimise the response time, then do whatever else was practical and useful.
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My mother lived in a village in Ohio. The local bank had an exposed alarm wire and a couple of times kids climbed up and tripped the wire to see how long it would take the sheriff's department (less than 10 miles away) to arrive. The first time it was over an hour, the other nearly 45 minutes.

That little town in Texas is not likely to have gotten much police support and kept her on the phone wasting her time.
 
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