Should We Prepare for a Nuclear Conflict?

Bella said:
You're right, Fuzz, there is no Plan B, what's the point? I'm goin' with Plan A. I won't have to worry about living off the radioactive land, I'll be in an alcohol induced coma. You're welcome to join me. šŸ„ƒšŸ„ƒ
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It's not that I think surviving WWIII is undoable, I doubt we can go from a 21st century world back to the Stone Age in a week. During Covid, toilet paper was supposedly a scarce commodity, and there was intense hoarding. If people react that way over toilet paper, what do you think will happen when the 21st Cen. supply chain dries up, and there's nothing on any Walmart shelf. Survivalists believe the can isolate themselves from the viciousness of others, but sooner or later they are going to run out of ammo. We just won't have the infrastructure to support populations
 
Aneeda72 said:
NO.
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Hi, Aneeda!

You don't think we should prepare for a nuclear conflict? Is that because we're too old to bother/gonna die soon anyway, or because nuclear war isn't a possibility?

It's a good idea to be prepared for extended black-outs, natural disasters, and horrible accidents and such, but I'm too spent already to trudge through an apocalyptic world looking for sustenance and hiding from hungry people.

Some people will survive a nuclear war provided it ends before survival is impossible. They'll be insect-eating monkey people, but the nearly dead world will be their oyster.
 
David777 said:
Surprised some members are still posting like Russia is suddenly considering using nuclear weapons. All that noise is from dominant Western media under control of our war mongering militaristic neoconservatives like Nuland after the annexing began that pi$$ed them off. The same neocon media that has changed its tune from originally just defending Ukraine to punishing Russia until regime change occurs, their original actual agenda. It is true that some in Russian media have been talking to their public audiences for months on how their nuclear arsenal is a strong deterrent.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/russia-ukraine-war-1.6605262
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The Kremlin said on Tuesday that it did not want to take part in "nuclear rhetoric" spread by the West after a media report that Russia was preparing to demonstrate its willingness to use nuclear weapons with a test on Ukraine's border. The Times newspaper reported on Monday that the NATO military alliance had warned members that Putin was set to demonstrate his willingness to use nuclear weapons and that Russia had moved a train thought to be linked to a unit of the defense ministry that was responsible for nuclear munitions. When asked about the Times report, Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov said: "The Western media, Western politicians and heads of state are engaging in a lot of exercises in nuclear rhetoric right now. We do not want to take part in this."
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This is what has been bothering me recently, the vibe has changed.
 
Trish said:
This is what has been bothering me recently, the vibe has changed.
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(and @David777)

Maybe the vibe has changed but Putin has always regarded the US as an enemy of Russia and the US "old guard" would be tickled to see him "punished".

But the number of Russian citizens who want a democratic system of government or at least a major change keeps growing. Still a lot of them believe Putin when he says Americans are satanists and serial killers and homosexuals and racists etc. and that all Americans are "russophobic".
 
I saw an ex Russian oil oligarch who was jailed for 10 years because Putin put him there says that if the 300,000 troops get defeated ( which is becoming a likelihood with the modernized weapons being supplied by the U.S. and N.A.T.O. allies ), he will still not back down, he will probably then use tactical nuclear weapons.
 
Murrmurr said:
(and @David777)

Maybe the vibe has changed but Putin has always regarded the US as an enemy of Russia and the US "old guard" would be tickled to see him "punished".

But the number of Russian citizens who want a democratic system of government or at least a major change keeps growing. Still a lot of them believe Putin when he says Americans are satanists and serial killers and homosexuals and racists etc. and that all Americans are "russophobic".
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I was thinking of the UK media which initially reported on events and expressed support (rightly in my view) for the Ukranian people but, increasingly, it has become more aggressive and warlike.
 
Murrmurr said:
Hi, Aneeda!

You don't think we should prepare for a nuclear conflict? Is that because we're too old to bother/gonna die soon anyway, or because nuclear war isn't a possibility?

It's a good idea to be prepared for extended black-outs, natural disasters, and horrible accidents and such, but I'm too spent already to trudge through an apocalyptic world looking for sustenance and hiding from hungry people.

Some people will survive a nuclear war provided it ends before survival is impossible. They'll be insect-eating monkey people, but the nearly dead world will be their oyster.
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I remember preparing for nuclear war with Russia when I was in grade school. We had a nearly windowless school and we crouched under our desks. Since we were young, and flexible, it was easy to kiss our butts goodbye.

Old physically inflexible me is too fat to crouch under a desk, too arthritic to get up from that position, and not at all interested in kissing any butt let alone mine. Having said that, if the bombs are dropped I want to die first.

Seeing the end of humanity is not on my bucket list.
 
Murrmurr said:
I thought your point was about commas.
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This is one of the reason I timed myself out from the forum. The punctuation police. The spelling police. The name calling claims police. The I have a better college education than you do police. šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚.

As if I cared about punctuation, spelling, name calling, or a college education. As if anyone, over 50, cares more about these things than, letā€™s face it, making it to the bathroom in time; cause, you know, you only have so many pairs of dry undies.

Btw,@Murrmurr, how does @Timewise 60+ feel about semi-colons? šŸ˜Š. I, personally, prefer commas, lots, and lots, of commas. šŸ˜‰
 
Aneeda72 said:
I remember preparing for nuclear war with Russia when I was in grade school. We had a nearly windowless school and we crouched under our desks. Since we were young, and flexible, it was easy to kiss our butts goodbye.

Old physically inflexible me is too fat to crouch under a desk, too arthritic to get up from that position, and not at all interested in kissing any butt let alone mine. Having said that, if the bombs are dropped I want to die first.

Seeing the end of humanity is not on my bucket list.
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As part of my Preparedness Plan, I've told my kids to just take care of their kids and spouses and I'll take care of me and Michell, and I've told Michelle to take care of herself. :p
 
Paco Dennis said:
I saw an ex Russian oil oligarch who was jailed for 10 years because Putin put him there says that if the 300,000 troops get defeated ( which is becoming a likelihood with the modernized weapons being supplied by the U.S. and N.A.T.O. allies ), he will still not back down, he will probably then use tactical nuclear weapons.
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I'm only speculating, but I think the main reason Putin basically claimed ownership of Donetsk, Luhansk, Kherson and Zaporizhzhia is because the US-NATO agreement is that an unprovoked attack on Russian soil is a war crime, and he believes NATO can be accused of war crimes simply if US weapons are used in those regions. And he's probably thinking that any type of US-NATO military involvement there will justify his use of nuclear weapons, including a "self-defensive" nuclear attack on the US.

I doubt that he cares at all about war-crime trials, but he believes Russian citizens will accept this justification.
Again, I'm just speculating.
 
Warrigal said:
It's reassuring to see that Australia, New Zealand, PNG and Greenland are unscathed in that scenario.
That means that the On the Beach prediction of Neville Shute might just come to pass. We will watch the rest of the world being destroyed before being killed off by the radiation cloud.

In retrospect, not at all reassuring.
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Here ya go Warrigal

On The Beach 1959

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www.imdb.com/title/tt0053137/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Beach_(1959_film)



On The Beach 2000

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www.imdb.com/title/tt0219224/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Beach_(2000_film)


On The Beach Book

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www.sparknotes.com/lit/onthebeach/summary/

https://fictionfanblog.wordpress.com/2019/09/30/film-of-the-book-on-the-beach/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Beach_(novel)
 
My biggest fear is that the world will be destroyed before I finish building the shoe-rack/entryway table I'm currently working on. I have about another ten hours of work on it before I apply the finish, so maybe another 12 hours until completion.

Hmmm... what holds up better when exposed to radiation... varnish or poly? It doesn't say on the cans.
 
I have read (speculation?) that if Putin orders the use of a nuclear weapon he will be overthrown by a coup administered by his own military before the weapon could be detonated. Lets hope that's true.
 
Murrmurr said:
Hi, Aneeda!

You don't think we should prepare for a nuclear conflict? Is that because we're too old to bother/gonna die soon anyway, or because nuclear war isn't a possibility?

It's a good idea to be prepared for extended black-outs, natural disasters, and horrible accidents and such, but I'm too spent already to trudge through an apocalyptic world looking for sustenance and hiding from hungry people.

Some people will survive a nuclear war provided it ends before survival is impossible. They'll be insect-eating monkey people, but the nearly dead world will be their oyster.
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You are right about that. There were some people in Florida, like those living on Sanibel Island that didnā€™t heed the warnings of the hurricane. It cost some their life.
 
This is about to get real. Former president of Russia, Dmitry Medvedev made this public statement yesterday:

"It is useless and unnecessary to appeal to the prudence of our enemies in the West, the enemies must
be forced to ask for mercy in the lost economic battle and end it with their complete and unconditional
surrender."

Folks, we need to understand that whether you like Putin or not is irelivent because he has the final say when it comes to nuclear decisions and I personally think Russia is not going to roll over just because the United States insists it will continue to funnel arms and money to Ukraine. One should be very careful when poking a bear.
If the former president is in Putin's corner, you can be sure there are other high ranking people there also.
 
squatting dog said:
This is about to get real. Former president of Russia, Dmitry Medvedev made this public statement yesterday:

"It is useless and unnecessary to appeal to the prudence of our enemies in the West, the enemies must
be forced to ask for mercy in the lost economic battle and end it with their complete and unconditional
surrender."

Folks, we need to understand that whether you like Putin or not is irelivent because he has the final say when it comes to nuclear decisions and I personally think Russia is not going to roll over just because the United States insists it will continue to funnel arms and money to Ukraine. One should be very careful when poking a bear.
If the former president is in Putin's corner, you can be sure there are other high ranking people there also.
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The political realm is filled with bear-pokers, most of them are bears themselves. Putin is a perfect example. Hitler was pretty relentless, too. China, Japan, England, Spain, the US, most Middle Eastern countries, and a lot of the rest of the world have taken turns at being bears who've poked other bears.

At what point should people or territories under threat of absorption or extinction fight back even if outgunned? Should they simply surrender and let the chips fall where they may? And at what point should other countries lend a hand? Or should they simply sit by with the attitude of "Not my circus not my monkeys"?

Don't get me wrong, I hate war and see it as a massive game of egos. Unfortunately, territorial "wins" have never yet satisfied encroaching forces - it merely emboldens them.

If Putin easily took Ukraine without other countries stepping in, do you really believe he would have stopped there?
 

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