Statues Defaced or Destroyed or Relocated - Priorities: Historic Preservation or Promulgating Racism ?

If you want to know who the enemy of freedom is, always ask, “Who is burning the books? Who is preventing the open flow of ideas?”

Unfortunately, we have seen much of this oppression in the past 120 years. Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pot, Amin, these were the dictators and “benevolent leaders” who imprisoned, tortured, killed, “Cleansed” – all in the name of their version of social utopia.

In the former US, in the 1950s and 1960s, it was the right wingers and social conservatives who censored books and ruined lives, whether it was McCarthy’s blacklisting of anyone supposed of being a communist or school boards across the country banning books based on sexual content, communist ideas, etc. We know the history of this injustice.

That has changed completely, now in the US it is the radical left that had taken over schools and media. They are banning the books, movies, ideas that do not fit their political agenda. The banning of Mark Twain in most New England schools, for instance, who was the first American author to portray a positive relationship between a black and white person, btw, is just one example. The taking down of statues is just the beginning. Statues of Winston Churchill being defaced, arguably the one person most responsible for standing up to Hitler in the West (yes, Stalin too in this matter), and Teddy Roosevelt in NY! Teddy, the first President to dine with a black man in the White House and a huge social reformer. Doesn’t matter.

Rewriting history to fit one’s political agenda is also part of the game plan for any oppressive regime that denies a citizen’s personal freedom. History is being rewritten, so the statues have to come down.

In the town next to me, there is a statue of a Northern Civil War Colonel who led his men in the fight to end slavery and was a main operator of the Underground Railroad. He was a true abolitionist. His statue has been desecrated and torn by people with no respect for history. And now they won’t even know history.

If you live in Washington state, be prepared for the name of your state to change in a few years. The greatest societies fall from within. The former USA is no different.
 

In the town next to me, there is a statue of a Northern Civil War Colonel who led his men in the fight to end slavery and was a main operator of the Underground Railroad. He was a true abolitionist. His statue has been desecrated and torn by people with no respect for history. And now they won’t even know history.

If I'm understanding this right, Old, he was a colonel in the Confederate army? What was his name? I'd be curious to read about him.
 
If I'm understanding this right, Old, he was a colonel in the Confederate army? What was his name? I'd be curious to read about him.
No, He was in the NORTHERN army. That is my point. It doesn't matter to the people who desecrated the statue. All that matters is he is old and he belongs to a certain ethnic group. He gave his life to free slaves and bring them North.

I do not want to give the man's name because that would give away my location. I would prefer not to do that.
 

If you want to know who the enemy of freedom is, always ask, “Who is burning the books? Who is preventing the open flow of ideas?”

Unfortunately, we have seen much of this oppression in the past 120 years. Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pot, Amin, these were the dictators and “benevolent leaders” who imprisoned, tortured, killed, “Cleansed” – all in the name of their version of social utopia.

In the former US, in the 1950s and 1960s, it was the right wingers and social conservatives who censored books and ruined lives, whether it was McCarthy’s blacklisting of anyone supposed of being a communist or school boards across the country banning books based on sexual content, communist ideas, etc. We know the history of this injustice.

That has changed completely, now in the US it is the radical left that had taken over schools and media. They are banning the books, movies, ideas that do not fit their political agenda. The banning of Mark Twain in most New England schools, for instance, who was the first American author to portray a positive relationship between a black and white person, btw, is just one example. The taking down of statues is just the beginning. Statues of Winston Churchill being defaced, arguably the one person most responsible for standing up to Hitler in the West (yes, Stalin too in this matter), and Teddy Roosevelt in NY! Teddy, the first President to dine with a black man in the White House and a huge social reformer. Doesn’t matter.

Rewriting history to fit one’s political agenda is also part of the game plan for any oppressive regime that denies a citizen’s personal freedom. History is being rewritten, so the statues have to come down.

In the town next to me, there is a statue of a Northern Civil War Colonel who led his men in the fight to end slavery and was a main operator of the Underground Railroad. He was a true abolitionist. His statue has been desecrated and torn by people with no respect for history. And now they won’t even know history.

If you live in Washington state, be prepared for the name of your state to change in a few years. The greatest societies fall from within. The former USA is no different.
Are you referring to Colonel Heg?

I was listening to an interview with Robert Johnson, co-founder of BET Television and he made the statement, "I can tell you who the people are that are tearing down the statues. Basically, borderline Anarchists. It is not going to close the wealth gap and it's not going to give a kid money who can't afford to go to college the money needed.

Black people laugh at white people who do this.
 
I've been doing a little research on local people who are arrested for defacing statues, shooting paintballs at police, etc.

This stuff goes on every night where I live. The "protestors" try to provoke the cops into using tear gas, then whine about police brutality.

They seem to be mostly white kids in their late 20s, maybe early 30s. Many are graduates of a local university who have been working as waiters or baristas for the last 5 to 10 years.

Their Twitter feeds are full of misspelled Marxist BS.

They are joined by some BLM folks who lately have taken to sporting firearms. (This is an "open carry" state).

I don't think any of them care about equality, justice or anything except causing trouble. Basically, they are losers with nothing else to do. Chucking rocks at cops gives them a sense of meaning.
 
Please cite your sources.
Why does he have to cite sources when it is obvious to anyone who knows history? That is like saying "Cite your source that Jefferson was the 3rd President."
The area was settled by socialists and anarchists from Scandinavian countries whose descendants now have willingly given up their lands and lives to the new settlers: Somalians and various Islamic immigrants. The area is following the same path as Sweden itself is.
 
Why does he have to cite sources when it is obvious to anyone who knows history? That is like saying "Cite your source that Jefferson was the 3rd President."
The area was settled by socialists and anarchists from Scandinavian countries whose descendants now have willingly given up their lands and lives to the new settlers: Somalians and various Islamic immigrants. The area is following the same path as Sweden itself is.
https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/list-of-us-presidents.html

If it's that easy, please cite a reliable source for the comment that Minneapolis has a long history of Marxist ideology. I can't seem to find anything that substantiates that claim.
 
Not counting the wild eyed people in the streets there are more subtle, slower
paced changes on what we believe our history is and how it evolved.

History changes because publishers have to sell books.
(Not mentioning those that wish to revise our history immediately)

Every year colleges graduate hordes of history majors-what are they going to write
about, it's all been said.....
Okay, tweak the topic a little bit enough to make the potential purchaser think something new is being presented.
If possible, make it an expose type historical work-they sell. (???)

The change is slow: generational...

In 1-200 years (assuming we last that long) we won't know where were from (historical) where were going (fluid values and morals) or why we want to go there (chaos). (Has that already occurred?)
 
I think most miss the message of Confederate General's statues in the main square in towns. The Germans fought bravely during WWII. It's is hard to deny that they heroically died for their cause. So, to celebrate their bravery, we ought to erect triumphant statues of Herman Goring, Himmler, and other Nazi military leaders and place them prominently in front of our courthouses, where justice is metered out. What they fought for is irrelevant, it's to celebrate their valor. So where are all the statues of Nazi generals, aren't they part of our history, our heritage?
 
I've been doing a little research on local people who are arrested for defacing statues, shooting paintballs at police, etc.

This stuff goes on every night where I live. The "protestors" try to provoke the cops into using tear gas, then whine about police brutality.

They seem to be mostly white kids in their late 20s, maybe early 30s. Many are graduates of a local university who have been working as waiters or baristas for the last 5 to 10 years.

Their Twitter feeds are full of misspelled Marxist BS.

They are joined by some BLM folks who lately have taken to sporting firearms. (This is an "open carry" state).

I don't think any of them care about equality, justice or anything except causing trouble. Basically, they are losers with nothing else to do. Chucking rocks at cops gives them a sense of meaning.
Other than I don't know their educational level or jobs, that's what's been going on locally. :mad:
 
No, He was in the NORTHERN army. That is my point. It doesn't matter to the people who desecrated the statue. All that matters is he is old and he belongs to a certain ethnic group. He gave his life to free slaves and bring them North.

I do not want to give the man's name because that would give away my location. I would prefer not to do that.
So, it sounds like his statue was desecrated by those who support the Confederacy, and hate anyone who was committed to freeing the slaves. So why are you saying that it's the radical left that is doing this? Sounds more like the radical right to me.
 
So, it sounds like his statue was desecrated by those who support the Confederacy, and hate anyone who was committed to freeing the slaves. So why are you saying that it's the radical left that is doing this? Sounds more like the radical right to me.
I am in awe of your consistent inability to see and reason clearly. It is astonishing.
You miss the point that the radical "take Down America" contingent is lashing out at all statues of "old" white men - regardless of what they stand for. That sentiment, coupled with their complete ignorance of history, is a dangerous mix.
 


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