Supreme Court overturning Roe v Wade?

As a critical medical issue the AMA says....

"Unconstitutional attack on reproductive health must not stand​

In the U.S., abortion is a safe and common medical procedure that remains an important component of reproductive health care, which in turn is essential to overall health and well-being. Our AMA will always fight government intrusion that compromises access to safe, evidence-based clinical care, including access to abortion services.

That is why we have joined more than two dozen medical societies and organizations representing physicians, nurses and other health professionals in asking the U.S. Supreme Court to sustain lower court rulings that blocked a 2018 Mississippi law banning abortions after the first 15 weeks of pregnancy. Oral arguments in the case, Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization, are scheduled for Dec. 1.


Mississippi’s 15-week ban certainly intrudes upon the patient-physician relationship. But it also impermissibly violates medical ethics by forcing clinicians to choose between offering care that reflects their best medical judgment or risk losing their medical licenses. That choice is unacceptable. Free, open and honest communication between physicians and patients is a cornerstone of effective health care.

Placing patients at risk​


Allowing the lawmakers of Mississippi or any other state to substitute their own views in place of a physician’s expert medical judgment puts patients at risk, and is antithetical to public health and sound medical practice. Medical ethics demand that the health and well-being of the patient form the basis of all medical decision-making; our AMA Code of Ethics requires physicians to place patients’ welfare “above the physician’s own self-interest or obligations to others” (emphasis added).


It is abundantly clear that any attempt to restrict the ability of physicians to provide safe and effective clinical care to their patients through informed decision-making represents nothing less than a direct assault on the patient-physician relationship. Our AMA has and always will vigorously oppose attempts by government or any other third party to interfere with the practice of sound, evidence-based medicine in the exam room or any other clinical setting.


We are not alone in taking this position. Other medical societies joining us in filing this amicus brief include the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, the American Academy of Nursing, the American Psychiatric Association, the National Medical Association and the American Society for Reproductive Medicine, among many others. Read the full text of the amicus brief (PDF).


It is important to note that the issue of supporting or opposing abortion is a matter for AMA members to decide for themselves, based on their own personal values and beliefs. But at the same time, our AMA will always take action opposing any attempt to compromise or obstruct access to safe reproductive health care for all patients, including patients of color, those with limited means, and those living in rural areas, each of whom is placed at greatest peril by attempts to ban or severely limit abortion rights."

https://www.ama-assn.org/about/leadership/unconstitutional-attack-reproductive-health-must-not-stand
 

Murrmurr said:
the decision is just whether or not to give each state the power to create their own laws. IOW, they'll decide whether it's a constitutional right, and remain under federal protection, or if it should be a state-level concern.
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Thanks, that makes sense. And I guess all the pro and anti fuss has to do with the fact that if the decision to overturn is made it will result in a number of states outlawing or severely restricting abortion. In my opinion this outcome should not be considered by the Supreme Court, our rule of law is more important, and their charge.

That said if the ruling does go that way I would support any legislation removing government controls over abortion.
Sunny said:
I don't think this is really a political issue; it's more of a religious and "right of choice/right to life" issue.
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I don't see it as a religious issue, just a legal one as to how the Constitution should be interpreted. I know there is a lot of political and religious spin off, but that's not the Supreme Court's responsibility is.
 
Paco Dennis said:
As a critical medical issue the AMA says....

"Unconstitutional attack on reproductive health must not stand​

In the U.S., abortion is a safe and common medical procedure that remains an important component of reproductive health care, which in turn is essential to overall health and well-being. Our AMA will always fight government intrusion that compromises access to safe, evidence-based clinical care, including access to abortion services.

That is why we have joined more than two dozen medical societies and organizations representing physicians, nurses and other health professionals in asking the U.S. Supreme Court to sustain lower court rulings that blocked a 2018 Mississippi law banning abortions after the first 15 weeks of pregnancy. Oral arguments in the case, Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization, are scheduled for Dec. 1.


Mississippi’s 15-week ban certainly intrudes upon the patient-physician relationship. But it also impermissibly violates medical ethics by forcing clinicians to choose between offering care that reflects their best medical judgment or risk losing their medical licenses. That choice is unacceptable. Free, open and honest communication between physicians and patients is a cornerstone of effective health care.

Placing patients at risk​


Allowing the lawmakers of Mississippi or any other state to substitute their own views in place of a physician’s expert medical judgment puts patients at risk, and is antithetical to public health and sound medical practice. Medical ethics demand that the health and well-being of the patient form the basis of all medical decision-making; our AMA Code of Ethics requires physicians to place patients’ welfare “above the physician’s own self-interest or obligations to others” (emphasis added).


It is abundantly clear that any attempt to restrict the ability of physicians to provide safe and effective clinical care to their patients through informed decision-making represents nothing less than a direct assault on the patient-physician relationship. Our AMA has and always will vigorously oppose attempts by government or any other third party to interfere with the practice of sound, evidence-based medicine in the exam room or any other clinical setting.


We are not alone in taking this position. Other medical societies joining us in filing this amicus brief include the American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, the American Academy of Nursing, the American Psychiatric Association, the National Medical Association and the American Society for Reproductive Medicine, among many others. Read the full text of the amicus brief (PDF).


It is important to note that the issue of supporting or opposing abortion is a matter for AMA members to decide for themselves, based on their own personal values and beliefs. But at the same time, our AMA will always take action opposing any attempt to compromise or obstruct access to safe reproductive health care for all patients, including patients of color, those with limited means, and those living in rural areas, each of whom is placed at greatest peril by attempts to ban or severely limit abortion rights."

https://www.ama-assn.org/about/leadership/unconstitutional-attack-reproductive-health-must-not-stand
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Now THERE is a huge load of doublespeak crap.
 
Pepper said:
And that's your business how? Besides, many abortions begin as wanted pregnancies. Do you want the mother of a fetus with no brain be forced to go to term? Not as uncommon as one might think.
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Probably for the same reason its any of YOUR business, and the percentage of such is pretty low. No one said THAT shouldn't qualify for a termination. But just because you don't want a kid, is NEVER a good reason to kill one.
 
Pepper said:
And that's your business how? Besides, many abortions begin as wanted pregnancies. Do you want the mother of a fetus with no brain be forced to go to term? Not as uncommon as one might think.
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Is it not uncommon because of: illegal drug use (lets not split hairs over pot) or micro plastics, the sun getting closer to the earth, or pharmaceuticals that are given, our diet, or possibly diet sodas? Is the data for just the USA? Since the USA are the RV Wade- world statistics should not apply for this topic.
 
oldaunt said:
But just because you don't want a kid, is NEVER a good reason to kill one
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I know that is your opinion, however it is clear there is no consensus on this issue in the US. Appears to me maybe half the country agrees with you and half do not believe abortion is killing a kid. So long as this is the case I believe we need to leave the choice with the woman, get the government out of it!

We do have quite good consensus on what constitutes murder after birth, lets keep the government in that.
 
chic said:
I think it's the inevitable step backwards that was being plotted in recent years with changes to the court. 🙄 Don't you think? I believe in my body my choice across the board with no exceptions. This is not a welcome stance these days I know.
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No woman has a right to use Crack while pregnant and deliver a Crack addicted baby, even though it's her body!
 
oldaunt said:
""I absolutely support a woman's right to choose""

WHAT in the name of ALL is wrong with simply choosing to use one or more of the MANY forms of birth control available, much of it for free, and AVOIDING the majority of the abortion issue? That's what we USED to do if we didn't want to get pregnant. Is it THAT difficult to be a responsible human being?
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Yeah, pretty difficult to be responsible when raped.
 
Alligatorob said:
I know that is your opinion, however it is clear there is no consensus on this issue in the US. Appears to me maybe half the country agrees with you and half do not believe abortion is killing a kid. So long as this is the case I believe we need to leave the choice with the woman, get the government out of it!

We do have quite good consensus on what constitutes murder after birth, lets keep the government in that.
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The choice is for the man too. If they are willing to care and raise the said child they have as much right as the female. She would have not gotten “with child“ without a male interaction. I also think that our current medical understanding of after birthing can keep a child to live and thrive without the mother after she giving birth.
 
StarSong said:
Actually, many states do say that doesn't qualify for termination.
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Which ones?
Alligatorob said:
I know that is your opinion, however it is clear there is no consensus on this issue in the US. Appears to me maybe half the country agrees with you and half do not believe abortion is killing a kid. So long as this is the case I believe we need to leave the choice with the woman, get the government out of it!

We do have quite good consensus on what constitutes murder after birth, lets keep the government in that.
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Please explain to me how, if a sperm and an egg are not living tissue, they can create something that grows into a child........and those cells who do not, and die on their own don't count, any more than a miscarriage.
 
officerripley said:
Undoubtedly, some of those who don't want to be pregnant were raped.
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Statistics of this is small. No one is stating there are not gray areas however to lay this all on “rape” is overstating. How many times have we seen women cry rape when it was consensual sex but had misgivings afterward. To save face or to not take responsibility for their indiscretion.
 
oldaunt said:
Please explain to me how, if a sperm and an egg are not living tissue, they can create something that grows into a child........and those cells who do not, and die on their own don't count, any more than a miscarriage.
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Of course they are living tissue and as you say sometimes can grow into a child. I just do not believe that at the embryo stage this constitute a life as we know it.

I am not alone in this belief. I think it is just as valid as your belief.
 
Wontactmyage said:
Is it not uncommon because of: illegal drug use (lets not split hairs over pot) or micro plastics, the sun getting closer to the earth, or pharmaceuticals that are given, our diet, or possibly diet sodas? Is the data for just the USA? Since the USA are the RV Wade- world statistics should not apply for this topic.
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The data is for the USA Only. Check it out.
 

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