Supreme Court overturning Roe v Wade?

There are going to be massive protests tomorrow about R v W being overturned. Of course, it's too late to do anything about it. People should have made their voices heard at the voting booths (both physical and metaphorical).
 

There are going to be massive protests tomorrow about R v W being overturned. Of course, it's too late to do anything about it. People should have made their voices heard at the voting booths (both physical and metaphorical).
I agree. Years have gone by. Most don't vote at all. Many vote without thinking of their own lives & needs. Many take for granted what we worked so hard to achieve, as if no work was required by them to maintain it.
 
People did make their voices known, but by the last presidential election, the damage had been done. Garland obviously should have been appointed to the SC, but was blocked. This shameful action made all the difference.

Of course, the non-voters have no excuse, and don't even deserve to live in this country. But I don't think we can blame this SC fiasco on them.
 
People did make their voices known, but by the last presidential election, the damage had been done. Garland obviously should have been appointed to the SC, but was blocked. This shameful action made all the difference.

Of course, the non-voters have no excuse, and don't even deserve to live in this country. But I don't think we can blame this SC fiasco on them.
The guy who wrote this whole idea in an opinion writing was Justice Samuel Alito. His writing was leaked to a journalist with Politico, who published it...kind of along the lines of an Assange or Snowden.

I've been sus from the start that it leaked just before a congressional election.
 
If CJ Roberts is in the Majority, he chooses who authors the opinion. If not, then the Senior Justice in the Majority picks the author. As of now it is not known, as least on a public basis, that information.
 
My wife left us when our youngest was 9 months old. When I needed a sitter, it was either my mom or my sister or sister-in-law. I didn't date or go out for an evening for years except for pizza and a movie with the kids once or twice a month and visits with family.

In states that stopped funding Family Planning clinics, the same services are now available at any OB/GYN office. Thank insurance companies for that. They made deals with state legislators.

Did you know that while my kids were little, fathers were not eligible for any kind of welfare or social assistance if they worked over 100 hours per month? A single father's kids qualified for Medicaid/Medi-Cal, though, unless they could be insured through his employer. So at least 1/4 of my income went on my kids' health insurance. The rest covered rent, utilities, and lots of food. There was no free lunch program back then, and I didn't qualify for food stamps because I worked over 100hrs/month. I bought most of their clothes and shoes at Goodwill and saved all year for Christmas. Single father's were excluded from any sort of Toys-for-Tots charities, too. He could only get that kind of assistance from some churches.

In short; single fathers were not treated the same as single mothers. The system discriminated against single fathers until the late-80s and early-90s, depending on the state. ...But I digress.

Again, in my opinion, abortion laws shouldn't even exist in any way, shape or form, and any politician who feels the same way will get my vote, for sure. Voters can decide who in their state makes state laws. Your argument isn't with me, it's with your state representatives.

btw, Vida, you seem to think men aren't very capable of raising children. That's fairly common thinking among women, although, thankfully, much less common than it used to be.
My son raised his son without the mother and he also resented the gender bias against fathers. Later he married a woman with 4 children and they had a daughter. I am extremely proud of him as a father and a husband.

Neither a mother nor a father can raise a child alone and be the only one to support the family because no one can be on the job and at home caring for the child at the same time unless s/he is working from home and that is very difficult. And there was a time when the father got the children because he had the ability to provide for the children and women did not. Intentionally the economy was against women earning good wages.

Evidently, you had a lot of help raising your children but many parents do not have that help. I am speaking for them. And you must have earned a good wage to avoid homelessness, and hunger and to have medical insurance too! That is impressive and it is not true for everyone.

I also want to mention a friend's heartache. Ever since I have known her she has been hoping to be a grandmother. For some of us, the grandparent role is very, very important. She just learned the medication her son has been using causes serious birth defects such as a child being born with no arms or legs, just a body, and a head. She and I agree it is wrong to give life to such a severely disabled child. If his wife did become pregnant we would be in a favor of abortion, even though everyone involved very much wants a child.

PS. I think fathers are as important to raising children as mothers are. I think children need both.

And one more thing, to end abortion we need to work through the problems that lead to abortion. It is putting the cart before the horse to end abortion first.
 
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I am not religious -- Agnostic at best, but I treasure the Constitution. Our founders had a legitimate fear of an overly powerful central government -- thus the 1st Amendment which is virtually unique around the world. I agree with your opinion of abortion rights, but rather than scrap the Constitution, perhaps it needs to be amended in that regard. I would support that. In any event, the Court has NOT overturned Roe v Wade, at least not yet, so perhaps we should reserve our outrage on that issue.

To better understand where you are coming from, where do you stand on the 1st Amendment's objection to hate speech laws?

In answer to your question.. freedom of speech does not mean the freedom to say anything that comes to our minds, because that can be immoral and unchecked immorality destroys civilizations. Good moral judgment is essential to our liberty, and education for that purpose is essential to our liberty.

"Democracy is a way of life and social organization which above all others is sensitive to the dignity and worth of the individual human personality, affirming the fundamental moral and political equality of all men and recognizing no barriers of race, religion, or circumstance". General Report of the Seminar on "What is Democracy?" Congress on Education for Democracy, August, 1939.

We have many problems and they could be diminished through education. The dream of democracy began in Athens and it must be defended by raising awareness of the philosophical arguments that raised the human potential that is now being destroyed in ignorance.
 
In answer to your question.. freedom of speech does not mean the freedom to say anything that comes to our minds, because that can be immoral and unchecked immorality destroys civilizations. Good moral judgment is essential to our liberty, and education for that purpose is essential to our liberty.
Thanks for answering my question. You did not disappoint. The flaw in your well intentioned reply, and the reason why we differ in our approach to our system of laws and the Constitution was your repeated referral to morality. What is "morality", and who is the ultimate authority on the subject? Is it you or me? Is abortion immoral? Some would apparently say it is. Is allowing a woman to appear in public with her hair uncovered immoral? Millions would say it is. Is pointing out that the median IQ of African Americans is 85 immoral and deserving of a fine or imprisonment? In France, Brigitte Bardot has been arrested multiple times for criticizing Islam. Is she immoral and deserving of punishment? Immorality is a relative term that can mean something different to anyone. That is why the law and the Constitution must be specific -- to the last detail -- details that define our form of government and our system of morality. We are governed by those agreed upon details, and it is the task of our Supreme Court justices to accurately interpret their factual nature. It is NOT the court's job to apply their view of morality to what those details "should" mean, but rather to what they "do" mean. Don't like or agree with that meaning? Then we should amend and clarify the Constitution -- not picket and threaten the judges.
 
....it is the task of our Supreme Court justices to accurately interpret their factual nature. It is NOT the court's job to apply their view of morality to what those details "should" mean, but rather to what they "do" mean. Don't like or agree with that meaning? Then we should amend and clarify the Constitution -- not picket and threaten the judges.
Tell that to THEM. They are bereft in their duties if they allow their personal persuasions to overturn Roe, while they seek legaleze to cover their true intent.
 
Thanks for answering my question. You did not disappoint. The flaw in your well intentioned reply, and the reason why we differ in our approach to our system of laws and the Constitution was your repeated referral to morality. What is "morality", and who is the ultimate authority on the subject? Is it you or me? Is abortion immoral? Some would apparently say it is. Is allowing a woman to appear in public with her hair uncovered immoral? Millions would say it is. Is pointing out that the median IQ of African Americans is 85 immoral and deserving of a fine or imprisonment? In France, Brigitte Bardot has been arrested multiple times for criticizing Islam. Is she immoral and deserving of punishment? Immorality is a relative term that can mean something different to anyone. That is why the law and the Constitution must be specific -- to the last detail -- details that define our form of government and our system of morality. We are governed by those agreed upon details, and it is the task of our Supreme Court justices to accurately interpret their factual nature. It is NOT the court's job to apply their view of morality to what those details "should" mean, but rather to what they "do" mean. Don't like or agree with that meaning? Then we should amend and clarify the Constitution -- not picket and threaten the judges.
Amending the Constitution requires 2/3rds of both Houses of Congress plus the President, so that's not an option, especially with all the gerrymandered districts and voter suppression going on right now. So what other options are there for people who are having significant and crucial rights taken away from them by uber-religious Supreme Court justices?
 
Amending the Constitution requires 2/3rds of both Houses of Congress plus the President, so that's not an option, especially with all the gerrymandered districts and voter suppression going on right now. So what other options are there for people who are having significant and crucial rights taken away from them by uber-religious Supreme Court justices?
The Constitution is not some piece of legislation that can be re-written at the whim of every congress. Amending it is deliberately rigorous, and rightly so. But ... It has been amended twenty-seven times so I think that it is reasonable to conclude that if an issue is sufficiently important a 28th amendment should be unsurprising. I would add that the Court has not ruled against Roe V Wade, and may never, in which case an amendment would not be necessary.
 
Tell that to THEM. They are bereft in their duties if they allow their personal persuasions to overturn Roe, while they seek legaleze to cover their true intent.
Uh, how do you know how and why the SC justices are motivated to do something they haven't even done yet? You don't. No one does. Gosh, they might even be motivated by their reading of the Constitution. But whatever they may or may not decide, if their decision is the horrendous tragedy you predict, the Constitution has already been amended 27 times, I would think the uproar that ensues would make #28 an easy accomplishment. What's the alternative, pack the court, scrap the old White man's Constitution, civil war, or?
 
Evidently, you had a lot of help raising your children but many parents do not have that help. I am speaking for them. And you must have earned a good wage to avoid homelessness, and hunger and to have medical insurance too! That is impressive and it is not true for everyone.
Back when my kids needed day-care, single mothers could get it for free or at reduced charges. Not so for single fathers who worked. So, like I said earlier, until my oldest was 12yrs-old, I had to take shift-work, and these were often low-wage jobs. Every working parent has some help with their kids. (The crappiest parents will just leave their kids home alone, not to work but to go out and party.) Teachers, friends and friend's parents, relatives and sitters, people in church and at day-care; all these people influence our children in some way, but only their parents live with them, care for them when they're sick, teach them how to behave, help them cope with their fears - only their parents know them inside and out. Nobody influences a kid's life more than a parent.

Today, services are available to ALL low-income and unemployed parents. Speaking for them, I advise calling or going to your nearest Dept of Social Services and Human Assistance. You can get emergency food stamps, income, Medicaid, and assistance with housing immediately....and they won't take your kids, even if you're living in your car. (i mention that because it's why some people are afraid to go to the Dept of SS/HA)
 
You think passing an amendment to the constitution would be doable, not to take seriously your 'easy accomplishment' remark---with the country as split and divisive as it is? Earth to @ElCastor.

There is nothing wrong in being prepared for a likely outcome, or do you think not? The women today who need Roe also need to remember how hard to achieve and how precious it is. It's a good education at the very least!

No one is talking about scrapping the Constitution except you. What a silly notion.
 
No one is talking about scrapping the Constitution except you. What a silly notion.
But there is talk about amending the constitution to ensure a woman's right to decide if she wants a pregnancy or not. And I think it would pass easily, this being a congressional election year. They'd need to get it before the Houses soon, though. Although, with everyone up in arms over Judge Alito's opinion piece, this election will probably swing left really hard, and then such an amendment is inevitable.
 
Article V of the Constitution provides two ways to propose amendments to the document. Amendments may be proposed either by the Congress, through a joint resolution passed by a two-thirds vote, or by a convention called by Congress in response to applications from two-thirds of the state legislatures.

2/3. No way Jose.
 
Article V of the Constitution provides two ways to propose amendments to the document. Amendments may be proposed either by the Congress, through a joint resolution passed by a two-thirds vote, or by a convention called by Congress in response to applications from two-thirds of the state legislatures.

2/3. No way Jose.
Virtually all members of congress have one primary goal - re-election.
 
If you think they will go against the base..........haha. Not dismissing your idea, love your idea. It's a future idea, not a now idea IMO.
 


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