Terrorism in America.... just your neighbor going nuts

fuzzybuddy said:
When I moved to PA, I was introduced to a great PA custom. The first day of doe season, it always was the Monday after Thanksgiving. On late Sunday, certain bars would blacken their windows and opened their back doors. About 2 AM, Monday, the crowd would drop in. Most of them dress in "camo". Then after drinking for 3 hours, at 5 AM, it was customary to down a couple of shots,because they served as"antifreeze". Then they would head out to shoot something.
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Sorry Fuzzy, I'm not sure I understand;

At 5 AM, drunken men dressed in camo go out to shoot deer? I don't understand what "antifreeze" means in this case. Thanks :)
 

RadishRose said:
Sorry Fuzzy, I'm not sure I understand;

At 5 AM, drunken men dressed in camo go out to shoot deer?
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Deer hunting season is almost the state (well, Commonwealth) religion here. Some schools close for the first day, so Junior can accompany Pop.

Many of them "tank up" before they go out. Always a great idea, mixing booze and guns.

I don't understand what "antifreeze" means in this case. Thanks :)
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They believe that being "juiced" will help them ignore or at least tolerate the cold.
 
RadishRose said:
Oh my goodness, that sounds extremely dangerous. Is it lawful to hunt with firearms while intoxicated?
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At one time, the LAPD pistol team believed that they shot better when drunk, I don't know what laws may govern hunting while drunk, but I'm sure that some law covers it everywhere.
 
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In PA, deer hunting is a father/son event. That Monday is a cherished day. Many use their vacation time. It is probably the most asked for day off. PA has hundreds of local bars. At 2 AM, Monday some bars open their back doors, so patrons can come in without being seen. These bars are filled with hunters having a good time and drinking beer and shots. At about 5 AM, it's customary to have a couple of shots as a deterrent to the cold, thus they call those shots of alcohol ,"antifeeze". Then they head off to the woods as the hunting season begins at dawn. Of course, some take "antifreeze" with them. And I have been told I made a grievous error. No, nothing about the bars illegally opening or the drinking, but it's the start of buck season, not doe season. I was a drinker, not a hunter.
 
SifuPhil; said:
Many of them "tank up" before they go out. Always a great idea, mixing booze and guns.



They believe that being "juiced" will help them ignore or at least tolerate the cold.
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Like most responsible gun owners I have never gone hunting or handled firearms while being "juiced" or "tanked up" nor would I associate with people that were handling firearms while under the influence.
 
The PA Game Commission claims there were 0 hunting deaths in 2016. There WERE, however, 25 non-fatal hunting-relating shootings.

Almost half were cases of a hunter getting in the line of fire when another hunter shot.
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Lancaster Online

Supposedly 2012 was the only other year to not have any deaths from hunting.
 
Not familiar with hunters drinking prior to going hunting but in my area if a hunter spent a cold windy afternoon in a saloon it was said that he was up on mahogany ridge.
 
Warrigal said:
If they are sober, perhaps it is deliberate ???
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I suppose going deer hunting would be a good time to settle things with the fella that you just learned was having an affair with your wife :).

Actually most hunters that are killed or wounded by another hunter is because the fella that pulled the trigger 'mistook' the other fella for a deer.......which means the shooter wasn't sure of his target, was inexperienced in the woods, had a classic case of 'buck fever' or all of the above.

Most if not all states have made it mandatory for several years that all hunters, especially during rifle / big game season, wear both a cap and vest of hunter orange material (of at least 'X' square inches) and also attend a 'hunter safety class' prior to being able to purchase a hunting license which has helped to alleviate a lot of the accidental shootings.
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SifuPhil said:
The PA Game Commission claims there were 0 hunting deaths in 2016. There WERE, however, 25 non-fatal hunting-relating shootings.


Lancaster Online

Supposedly 2012 was the only other year to not have any deaths from hunting.
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From what I have read it would seem that the number of accidental shootings of people by hunters is trending down, Currently approx. 1000 people per year in US and Canada. Education does seem to be working.

Still, one wonder how a newborn baby can be shot in the head by hunters while on his father's lap inside their home.

Newborn Baby Shot In Head In Pennsylvania ‘Hunting Accident’ (VIDEO)By Randa Morris on September 29, 2014 8:48 pm ·
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=Warrigal

Still, one wonder how a newborn baby can be shot in the head by hunters while on his father's lap inside their home.
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Very sad Warrigal but hundreds if not thousands of accidents resulting in death happen each and every day all across the globe involving children as well as adults and I'd be willing to wager that of those accidents less than 1% of the total were actually caused by firearms.
 
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Tom Lehrer "The Hunting Song"

I always will remember,
'Twas a year ago November,
I went out to hunt some deer
On a mornin' bright and clear.
I went and shot the maximum the game laws would allow,
Two game wardens, seven hunters, and a cow.

I was in no mood to trifle,
I took down my trusty rifle
And went out to stalk my prey.
What a haul I made that day.
I tied them to my fender, and I drove them home somehow,
Two game wardens, seven hunters, and a cow.

The law was very firm, it
Took away my permit,
The worst punishment I ever endured.
It turned out there was a reason,
Cows were out of season,
And one of the hunters wasn't insured.

People ask me how I do it,
And I say, "There's nothin' to it,
You just stand there lookin' cute,
And when something moves, you shoot!"
And there's ten stuffed heads in my trophy room right now,
Two game wardens, seven hunters, and a pure-bred Guernsey cow.
 
There are, of course, situations of ideology such as ISIS. But separate from that there are people getting mad at someone and killing them and often many people around them. We should be trying to figure out what causes that. I believe that it is a societal issue closely related to the "snowflake" situation. We are getting our population in a mindset that makes it think that nothing should ever go wrong for them - that they are entitled to a perfect life and when something does go wrong, they do not know how to handle it. Some drop out, some cry, some demand a "safe space", and some get violent.
 
IKE said:
Very sad Warrigal but hundreds if not thousands of accidents resulting in death happen each and every day all across the globe involving children as well as adults and I'd be willing to wager that of those accidents less than 1% of the total were actually caused by firearms.
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True, but in the context of this thread, such accidents would seem to become more likely when alcohol is part of the culture.
It is a fact over here that in a high proportion of drownings alcohol is a factor, even in drownings of children.
Sometimes the adults don't notice a child sipping from the adults' glasses and the adults, having imbibed, aren't paying the right amount of attention to the dangers around them.

I reckon alcohol and shooting should never happen together. I refused to allow my 8 year old son to go away on father son kangaroo shooting weekends for two reason. One was that the men would have been taking large quantities of beer with them. The other was that a lot of kangaroos were not killed outright and were finished of by clubbing them with an axe handle. I did not think that was a suitable activity for a little boy. My husband found it a sickening experience and didn't want to repeat the experience.

Hunting kangaroos is not actually hunting. There is no stalking of prey. It is simply slaughter of gentle animals that are caught in the glare of a powerful spotlight. They stand up blinded by the light and are easy targets. It is all done from the back of a ute. It is best left to the professional shooters when culling becomes necessary.
 
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ray188 said:
There are, of course, situations of ideology such as ISIS. But separate from that there are people getting mad at someone and killing them and often many people around them. We should be trying to figure out what causes that. I believe that it is a societal issue closely related to the "snowflake" situation. We are getting our population in a mindset that makes it think that nothing should ever go wrong for them - that they are entitled to a perfect life and when something does go wrong, they do not know how to handle it. Some drop out, some cry, some demand a "safe space", and some get violent.
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I think you are onto something there. I do think a lot more money should be channelled into studying this phenomenon to see what the common threads are that point to a possible cause and hopefully the signs that someone needs intervention before it is too late.
 
ray188 said:
There are, of course, situations of ideology such as ISIS. But separate from that there are people getting mad at someone and killing them and often many people around them. We should be trying to figure out what causes that. I believe that it is a societal issue closely related to the "snowflake" situation. We are getting our population in a mindset that makes it think that nothing should ever go wrong for them - that they are entitled to a perfect life and when something does go wrong, they do not know how to handle it. Some drop out, some cry, some demand a "safe space", and some get violent.
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I agree strongly. There is way too much of the feeling that "I'm entitled to have a perfect life" and "I'm special." Maybe it's the "everybody gets a trophy" thing, or maybe nobody ever stressed to them, as my mother did to me, that life isn't fair -- never was, and never will be.
 
Sunny said:
Tom Lehrer "The Hunting Song"

I always will remember,
'Twas a year ago November,
I went out to hunt some deer
On a mornin' bright and clear.
I went and shot the maximum the game laws would allow,
Two game wardens, seven hunters, and a cow.

I was in no mood to trifle,
I took down my trusty rifle
And went out to stalk my prey.
What a haul I made that day.
I tied them to my fender, and I drove them home somehow,
Two game wardens, seven hunters, and a cow.

The law was very firm, it
Took away my permit,
The worst punishment I ever endured.
It turned out there was a reason,
Cows were out of season,
And one of the hunters wasn't insured.

People ask me how I do it,
And I say, "There's nothin' to it,
You just stand there lookin' cute,
And when something moves, you shoot!"
And there's ten stuffed heads in my trophy room right now,
Two game wardens, seven hunters, and a pure-bred Guernsey cow.
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Hey, Sunny -- I thought I was the only one left on the planet that found Tom Lehrer hilarious.
 
Years ago I went on a retreat at a Catholic retreat center. I was so sure their gift shop would have a plastic dashboard Jesus, but no. I was so disappointed.
 

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