I believe the first statement, but not the 2nd. It's not logical. If a mask won't stop you from getting the virus, that means the virus gets past the mask from the outside. That also means the virus gets past to other people from the inside of the mask. It's not a magic, "One-Way Mask."
The Anti People are Wrong!
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Medical science is still researching this virus and how it spreads. Masking and isolating for prevention is all they have to offer right now. Better than nothing? Perhaps. My concern now is the release of the vaccine. If medical science is still trying to figure this virus out, how can any of us be expected to believe in the vaccine?
My sentiment to a T, Deesierra.
This is an example of gross oversimplification from one's own, very limited experience. You see how many people? 20? 100? Even 1000? The figures on mask wearing vs. getting this disease are in the millions.
In my state, every time they impose a lockdown or put limits on the number of people allowed to congregate indoors, every time they make mask wearing mandatory, the disease figures start to turn around and go down. Lots of grumbling and lots of individual financial hardship, to be sure. But the line on the graphs goes down.
Then, they reopen everything too soon, and the figures start to go up again. It's such an obvious one-on-one cause and effect that I can't understand the continued resistance to masks or vaccines.
This plague won't go away until we have consistent cooperation from nearly everybody.
StarSong
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@CarolfromTX's point is well made. I personally think that since experts already know that people are going to get together (despite advice to the contrary), they should offer guidance on how to do dramatically minimize the risks.
"Just say no" type of campaigns sound great, but six million years of human social behavior evolution cannot just be turned off. Just as pithy advice flopped in the war on drugs, it's coming up short on the spread of Covid.
"Just say no" type of campaigns sound great, but six million years of human social behavior evolution cannot just be turned off. Just as pithy advice flopped in the war on drugs, it's coming up short on the spread of Covid.
Your own experience is just as limited.
What is "my own experience" in this, win? Carol is talking about the number of people she sees wearing masks. I claim no such research data based on what I have personally seen. Everything I have referred to in my above post is based on the statistics available to the public, in newspapers, TV reports, and internet media. They all say the same thing: Lockdowns work. Masks work. Social distancing works.
Conversely, gathering in large groups without masks very often results in a dramatic upsurge in the disease. All of these facts are based on objective research by professionals, not the limited observations by individuals talking about what they see around them.
Conversely, gathering in large groups without masks very often results in a dramatic upsurge in the disease. All of these facts are based on objective research by professionals, not the limited observations by individuals talking about what they see around them.
The "Professionals" are not counting every person & noting whether or not they're wearing masks, either. They're far too busy providing gloom & doom news & that takes all their time.
Lewkat
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He developed blood clots from COVID-19. One thrombus was so huge, they had to amputate his leg and he shot multiple emboli into his lungs. His lungs were weakened and he was placed on a ventilator but never rallied.
CarolfromTX
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My daughter, a 3rd grade teacher, just told me both of one of her student’s parents tested positive for Covid, and they sent him to school anyway. Poor kid is already a mess. Small wonder.
CarolfromTX
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My biggest gripe is with the politicians who say one thing and do another. Latest one is the governor of Rhode Island. Google it.
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Nosy Bee-54
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The high profile ones got the expensive Celebrity Cocktail like Trump and Giuliani.
fmdog44
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Near death condition in hospital in ICU- removed from ICU- moved to rehab for months - released from hospital to do therapy for up to a year - side effects linger for months - no guarantee of full recovery ever. "Fear of death?" OK but don't bitch to others when you contract the virus and suffer to the point you wish you were dead. Wear a mask whether you like it or not.
fmdog44
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That's what makes them politicians.
Warrigal
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Even when the virus appears to be under control, it isn't.
My state, NSW went for many days without a single case of community transmission. There were a small number of new cases in hotel quarantine. These people were coming into the country from overseas and were required to do mandatory quarantine for 14 days.
Everything was looking good, and state borders were opening up, people were allowed to congregate in larger groups, provided indoor venues were limited to numbers that would allow for social distancing. Venues, including churches, were taking temperatures at the door and keeping records to help with contact tracing. Masks have never been mandatory but have been strongly encouraged, especially on public transport. Individual enterprises have required masks. I'm going to the podiatrist this morning. Yesterday I had the usual reminder phone call and was also asked whether I was well and reminded to bring a mask with me to wear in the waiting room, which, being quite small, now has only 2 chairs in it.
In spite of all these efforts by the government and the community, we now have a new cluster in the beach suburbs north of Sydney. Yesterday it had gone from 3 cases to 17 and is expected to be more today. It is a new strain and has presumably come in from overseas. It seems to have been contracted by a local man who was the driver for overseas air crews. The air crews are not subject to quarantine but are required to socially isolate between flights. It now seems that the week link in the chain is transportation and measures are being taken to improve cleaning routines and to make mask wearing mandatory for drivers for their protection and to protect their families and other contacts.
The state government is asking people not to enter or leave the northern beaches area for now but has not announced a formal lockdown. They hope to contain infections while they are frantically looking for contacts of the 17 infected people. Co-operation will be quite high because no-one wants to go back to the worst days of the epidemic.
There is no one single magic silver bullet that will protect against COVID but there are a range of measures that will help, could save many lives and allow everyone return to normal sooner. It's not a case of picking and choosing what we personally agree with. All measures that limit the virus passing from one person to another are worthwhile.
Edit - The NSW Premier has announced another 11 positive cases identified overnight. One case has already travelled to Queensland. For the next 3 days people from the Northern Suburbs are being asked to stay at home unless absolutely necessary to leave the house. The rest of us are asked to be especially careful if we want to have a good Christmas.
Mask wearing is urged for religious services but in our church, which has only been open again for 3 Sundays after a long shut down, we are all wearing them anyway and we observe all other COVID SAFE protocols with respect to social distancing, hand sanitising and extensive cleaning of the premises. We have also altered our usual rituals - we aren't singing the hymns, don't have physical contact during the sign of peace and morning tea is limited to a cup pf coffee and caterers' pack biscuits.
COVID Safety is about much more than simply wearing a mask.
My state, NSW went for many days without a single case of community transmission. There were a small number of new cases in hotel quarantine. These people were coming into the country from overseas and were required to do mandatory quarantine for 14 days.
Everything was looking good, and state borders were opening up, people were allowed to congregate in larger groups, provided indoor venues were limited to numbers that would allow for social distancing. Venues, including churches, were taking temperatures at the door and keeping records to help with contact tracing. Masks have never been mandatory but have been strongly encouraged, especially on public transport. Individual enterprises have required masks. I'm going to the podiatrist this morning. Yesterday I had the usual reminder phone call and was also asked whether I was well and reminded to bring a mask with me to wear in the waiting room, which, being quite small, now has only 2 chairs in it.
In spite of all these efforts by the government and the community, we now have a new cluster in the beach suburbs north of Sydney. Yesterday it had gone from 3 cases to 17 and is expected to be more today. It is a new strain and has presumably come in from overseas. It seems to have been contracted by a local man who was the driver for overseas air crews. The air crews are not subject to quarantine but are required to socially isolate between flights. It now seems that the week link in the chain is transportation and measures are being taken to improve cleaning routines and to make mask wearing mandatory for drivers for their protection and to protect their families and other contacts.
The state government is asking people not to enter or leave the northern beaches area for now but has not announced a formal lockdown. They hope to contain infections while they are frantically looking for contacts of the 17 infected people. Co-operation will be quite high because no-one wants to go back to the worst days of the epidemic.
There is no one single magic silver bullet that will protect against COVID but there are a range of measures that will help, could save many lives and allow everyone return to normal sooner. It's not a case of picking and choosing what we personally agree with. All measures that limit the virus passing from one person to another are worthwhile.
Edit - The NSW Premier has announced another 11 positive cases identified overnight. One case has already travelled to Queensland. For the next 3 days people from the Northern Suburbs are being asked to stay at home unless absolutely necessary to leave the house. The rest of us are asked to be especially careful if we want to have a good Christmas.
Mask wearing is urged for religious services but in our church, which has only been open again for 3 Sundays after a long shut down, we are all wearing them anyway and we observe all other COVID SAFE protocols with respect to social distancing, hand sanitising and extensive cleaning of the premises. We have also altered our usual rituals - we aren't singing the hymns, don't have physical contact during the sign of peace and morning tea is limited to a cup pf coffee and caterers' pack biscuits.
COVID Safety is about much more than simply wearing a mask.
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I don't see what the big deal is. I've managed for 9 mo not to see anyone other than my work place. If I could I wouldn't even go there. I'm not having any troubles with it. It's painful but it won't kill any of us. And it's not forever. I sometimes feel like people are too quick to make excuses.
After reading you bit Warrigal about the spike in the beach
areas in the North, brings back the "contact Transmission",
when you walk on the beach we all know that the sand sticks
to the feet and is carried along and dropped off somewhere
else, then another person picks it up and so it goes, perhaps
closing the beach is the answer!
Many years ago when we had the "Foot & Mouth" disease among
cattle, I was working in the South West and one job I had at the
time was to build little pool areas across the entry and exits of the
supermarket car parks, they contained a mixture of sand and
sacks that were in disinfectant, cars and bikes were required to
drive through them to stop the spread of that epidemic, it may
have helped, but worth thinking about.
Mike.
areas in the North, brings back the "contact Transmission",
when you walk on the beach we all know that the sand sticks
to the feet and is carried along and dropped off somewhere
else, then another person picks it up and so it goes, perhaps
closing the beach is the answer!
Many years ago when we had the "Foot & Mouth" disease among
cattle, I was working in the South West and one job I had at the
time was to build little pool areas across the entry and exits of the
supermarket car parks, they contained a mixture of sand and
sacks that were in disinfectant, cars and bikes were required to
drive through them to stop the spread of that epidemic, it may
have helped, but worth thinking about.
Mike.
Warrigal
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Fairly unlikely in this case but the beaches have been closed. NSW has probably the gold standard for contact tracing, and the alert has gone out for people who have visited certain venues should have a test and self isolate. These are the places when positive cases have frequented. Most are social/hospitality venues. Of less concern are the retail outlets.
Butterfly
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That's exactly what has been happening here. Governor loosened some of the restrictions and some people went wacko and threw caution to the winds and now our hospitals are full and they just had to open an auxiliary one.