The Derek Chauvin Trial

The trial will go on for a couple more weeks. Let's see how it plays out.

I can't put myself in Derek Chauvin's place. If a man says he can't breathe, you have to let the man breathe. But that's me responding as a person. The jury will decide.
 

True, JimBob, yet we have the luxury of being in the court of public opinion. I've heard defenders of Chauvin saying that if Floyd could say he couldn't breath then he could breath.
This will drag out and be . . . sad all the way around.
 
SetWave said:
True, JimBob, yet we have the luxury of being in the court of public opinion. I've heard defenders of Chauvin saying that if Floyd could say he couldn't breath then he could breath.
This will drag out and be . . . sad all the way around.
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Sad. Tragic. Lots of words to describe the situation.
 

The 18 year-old and her little cousin were so moving. I'm sorry they had to witness something like that while they were so young and impressionable. Darnella started to cry while apologizing to George Floyd for not doing more.

The prosecution is trying hard to establish that the crowd that gathered that day was not an angry mob. I don't imagine the police were afraid of the crowd, but I do think all the insults Donald Williams shouted were making Chauvin angrier and more stubborn than he would have been if no one was around.
 
RubyK said:
I don't understand why the cops dragged Floyd out of the police car and laid him on the ground. Wasn't he already handcuffed and under arrest?
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Floyd was already handcuffed. They took him out of the car because he resisted while telling the cops he was claustrophobic and I totally get that. He is a big guy like me and it's cramped in the back seat of any car, especially a police car with a divider between the front and rear seats, I would have resisted and fussed about being claustrophobic myself, not a good feeling, I know from my son wanting me to ride in the back seat of his car before. The cops made a lot of mistakes here, no doubt, but murder isn't one of them.
 
digifoss said:
They took him out of the car because he resisted while telling the cops he was claustrophobic and I totally get that.
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Yes, he was fighting them over being put in the car, to the point of making the squad car move forward and back.
He was cuffed but was kicking and trying to get out. Didn't he actually ask to be put on the ground?
 
Irwin said:
All Chauvin needed to do was ease off a little bit so Floyd could breathe. Had he done that, everything could have gone on as normal and we would have never heard of this case. Instead, Floyd is dead, taxpayers have to shell out millions of dollars because of a bad cop, and in all likelihood, Chauvin will be sent to prison for a long time where he's going to have to live with a lot of angry men who aren't too fond of cops -- especial ones who engage in police brutality.
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Not to mention the wide battles , demos and destruction of property from America, to the UK and many other places resulting in the BLM ( and they do ) because of one cops' over reaction to a minor crime... Chauvin shouldn't be on Trial for George Floyds murder only, he should be on Trial for what he ultimately caused due to his actions ..
 
There's also a danger here in Minneapolis of more peaceful protests if the outcome of the trial is not fair. We still have 3 more policemen under arrest who will be tried separately. The merchants in that area of Mpls are concerned that there will be more burning and looting when the trial(s) are over by people taking advantage of the situation.
 
SetWave said:
Once again it Sounds like the Nuremberg defense. :rolleyes:
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You can say it sounds like whatever you choose too . It doesn't change the fact that he was following procedure to effect an arrest.

If you and others want the procedure changed ? Then start a letter writing campaign to your local PD. And local politicians , but do not persecute this man for doing his job in the way in which he was taught to do so.
 
rgp said:
You can say it sounds like whatever you choose too . It doesn't change the fact that he was following procedure to effect an arrest.

If you and others want the procedure changed ? Then start a letter writing campaign to your local PD. And local politicians , but do not persecute this man for doing his job in the way in which he was taught to do so.
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You do understand the result of Nazi criminals claiming they were doing as they were told.
 
rgp said:
You can say it sounds like whatever you choose too . It doesn't change the fact that he was following procedure to effect an arrest.

If you and others want the procedure changed ? Then start a letter writing campaign to your local PD. And local politicians , but do not persecute this man for doing his job in the way in which he was taught to do so.
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Yes, any cop who commits murder is only doing what he was taught to do.
Are you a comedian by profession or just like to make people laugh?
 
rgp said:
You can say it sounds like whatever you choose too . It doesn't change the fact that he was following procedure to effect an arrest.
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Disagree. If the procedure constitutes Reckless conduct by any reasonably prudent person's standards, it is no defense that the Manual permitted it. It does not say how long the technique can continue? If that were the case and Floyd was pinned for an hour that was still within procedure? But would it have been prudent, no.

Chauvin was under 200 pounds, no doubt. There is nothing in the manual about a 350 pound officer pinning him on the neck, so that would be within policy, but prudent, no.
 
SetWave said:
True, JimBob, yet we have the luxury of being in the court of public opinion. I've heard defenders of Chauvin saying that if Floyd could say he couldn't breath then he could breath.
This will drag out and be . . . sad all the way around.
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Those people are wrong! Does he have to say "It's HARD to breathe" to sound convincing to the doubters? Breathing easy and breathing hard are quite different, but you can still talk while struggling for breath.
 
Boy, their demeanor sure does change when they start talking to the defense. From friendly and cooperative to hostile and sarcastic in a matter of seconds. Don't they understand that our legal system works by giving everyone the best possible defense?
 
JimBob1952 said:
The trial will go on for a couple more weeks. Let's see how it plays out.

I can't put myself in Derek Chauvin's place. If a man says he can't breathe, you have to let the man breathe. But that's me responding as a person. The jury will decide.
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And therein is the difference, Jim, you're a person, Chauvin, isn't.
 
ohioboy said:
They could have charged me with any crime they wanted, if I was there and did it. He can shove that badge.
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That's the problem today, Ohio, based on the track record of police forces in general, they lack real men in uniform, and this case shines a bright spotlight on that.
 

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