The Derek Chauvin Trial

Sorry to confuse you if that statement is not clear. Look, they have a very tough and dangerous job and I sure as hell don't want it. But, unfortunately a large number of basically brutal bullies enjoy the power. Of course there are good men and women wearing the badge. Let's just say a few (well, sadly more than a few) bad cops spoil the bunch.
 

Sorry to confuse you if that statement is not clear. Look, they have a very tough and dangerous job and I sure as hell don't want it. But, unfortunately a large number of basically brutal bullies enjoy the power. Of course there are good men and women wearing the badge. Let's just say a few (well, sadly more than a few) bad cops spoil the bunch.
yes I think we're all agreeing with you..I certainly am... I've known a few bad cops personally myself...
 
... well even here on the other side of the Pond we're watching the trial... can you go outside the court and give us a little wave at some point ? ;)
Probably not since they apparently have a lot of security around it. I have not been downtown since everything turned to crap with the dismembering of the police force.

Downtown Minneapolis used to be a very nice place and I loved spending Saturday mornings there browsing bookstores and such. I sincerely hope the city council, the mayor, and the police department get their differences sorted out sooner than later. A growing number of people who live directly in that area have been getting more and more vocal about restoring the police department to combat the spike in crime.

Tony
 

I'll be interested in seeing what kind of "defense" they can possibly come up with, for what he did. What could his lawyer possibly say?

"Reasonable force" was used, not "UNreasonable", for one defense.

"Justification" defense. He was justified in his actions because he felt his life and others were in danger due to a violent and doped up person was at their heels.

"Character" in on trial. Chauvin will be portrayed as a kind and loving husband and dedicated police officer etc. Among a few legal angles.
 
I don't think that it will be a slam dunk to get a conviction.

The fact that the training/policy manual allowed the use of the prone maximal restraint on handcuffed individuals could be a major point in Chauvin's favor.

"the maximal restraint technique shall only be used in situations where handcuffed subjects are combative and still pose a threat to themselves, officers or others, or could cause significant damage property if not properly restrained."

IMO the fact that it was eliminated from the training manual after Floyd's death says as much about the Minneapolis
Police Department as it does about Chauvin.

Don't get me wrong my belief is that Chauvin acted inappropriately and that he should be punished for causing the death of George Floyd while in police custody.

No matter how this turns out I feel bad for the merchants and citizens of Minneapolis that live in fear of mob violence during and after the trial.
 
You can see in the video that Floyd is handcuffed while he's down. Chauvin used bad judgement in not cuffing or having another officer that was present cuff his ankles and getting his knee off his neck before he died, especially since Floyd was complaining about not being able to breathe. Chauvin did cause Floyds death and it might have been an accidental death, or manslaughter, but it does not rise to the charge of murder, I'm pretty sure Chauvin wasn't trying to kill him. What's really disgusting is the way that the media has tried to make Floyd into some kind of innocent do-well victim, or even a role model or national hero of sorts. Lets not forget that his arrest was happening because he was suspected to be in the process of committing a crime. He also had a violent criminal history. The threat to burn down the city if Chauvin isn't convicted of murder is coercion and is intended to influence the jury pure and simple. Floyd has some responsibility in how he wound up where he did.
 
What has me confused is how 4 or 5 Police officers couldn't control a handcuffed man without such drastic measures.4 or 5 against 1 has me baffled.
They did control him. What Chauvin committed was an act of Depraved Indifference, resulting in death. Doesn't matter what the victim previously did.

If this were a Stephen King movie you would see how hideous the defendant looked, as opposed to his normal appearance. It was like evil taking over.
 
You can see in the video that Floyd is handcuffed while he's down. Chauvin used bad judgement in not cuffing or having another officer that was present cuff his ankles and getting his knee off his neck before he died, especially since Floyd was complaining about not being able to breathe. Chauvin did cause Floyds death and it might have been an accidental death, or manslaughter, but it does not rise to the charge of murder, I'm pretty sure Chauvin wasn't trying to kill him. What's really disgusting is the way that the media has tried to make Floyd into some kind of innocent do-well victim, or even a role model or national hero of sorts. Lets not forget that his arrest was happening because he was suspected to be in the process of committing a crime. He also had a violent criminal history. The threat to burn down the city if Chauvin isn't convicted of murder is coercion and is intended to influence the jury pure and simple. Floyd has some responsibility in how he wound up where he did.
Yet, Floyd is not on trial here. It is the thug cop who caused his death.
 
All Chauvin needed to do was ease off a little bit so Floyd could breathe. Had he done that, everything could have gone on as normal and we would have never heard of this case. Instead, Floyd is dead, taxpayers have to shell out millions of dollars because of a bad cop, and in all likelihood, Chauvin will be sent to prison for a long time where he's going to have to live with a lot of angry men who aren't too fond of cops -- especial ones who engage in police brutality.
 


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