The Derek Chauvin Trial

Aunt Marg said:
That's the problem today, Ohio, based on the track record of police forces in general, they lack real men in uniform, and this case shines a bright spotlight on that.
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We had a case here in Ohio about a year ago where a policeman found 5 of 6 stray kittens and since he didn't want to take them to a shelter or anything he shot and killed everyone of those innocent kittens
 

Perhaps training of officers in Minneapolis included using a choke hold to reduce a threat by a combative criminal whose actions were a potential danger to either the police officer or the public. That training would not have included remaining on a subject's neck for almost 10 minutes... long enough to kill the subject. That training would not have included remaining on a subject's neck for almost 10 minutes when the subject was handcuffed, was not armed, and four other officers were standing by to assist. This officer had official complaints filed against him in 17 previous situations. He was unfit to be a police officer. He should be convicted of the crime he committed.
According to reports from the courtroom, all the jurors seem to be paying strict attention... except for one. One has seemed bored and has been just casually looking around the courtroom. Does this mean he has already made up his mind one way or the other? With the 24-hour news cycles, it is extremely difficult to find 14 people who have no knowledge of the case.
 
Patch said:
One has seemed bored and has been just casually looking around the courtroom. Does this mean he has already made up his mind one way or the other? With the 24-hour news cycles, it is extremely difficult to find 14 people who have no knowledge of the case.
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I watched the jury selection and they weren't demanding that they had no previous knowledge of the case, just that they hadn't made up their minds about it. I do wonder how they can live in Minneapolis and not have strong opinions about something that had the city in an uproar for months.

I thought that all the witnesses we've had so far were clearly on the side of the prosecution. Genevieve got the reprimand from the judge because she couldn't hide her hostility to the defense lawyer and wanted to press her agenda at every opportunity. I kind of love her and would feel as angry as she does if I felt I could have saved a life and someone prevented me -- but the judge had to stop her. Chauvin must have a fair trial or he will simply appeal the verdict.
 
Della said:
I watched the jury selection and they weren't demanding that they had no previous knowledge of the case, just that they hadn't made up their minds about it. I do wonder how they can live in Minneapolis and not have strong opinions about something that had the city in an uproar for months.

I thought that all the witnesses we've had so far were clearly on the side of the prosecution. Genevieve got the reprimand from the judge because she couldn't hide her hostility to the defense lawyer and wanted to press her agenda at every opportunity. I kind of love her and would feel as angry as she does if I felt I could have saved a life and someone prevented me -- but the judge had to stop her. Chauvin must have a fair trial or he will simply appeal the verdict.
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Good point Della..
 
Della said:
Chauvin must have a fair trial or he will simply appeal the verdict.
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If found guilty of any degree of murder, Chauvin will appeal. The current SCOTUS had looked pretty welcome to appeals re cases involving police. The decision handed down last week, however, seemed to suggest the majority would protect the rights of the people vs. excessive and dangerous actions by police.
The Chauvin case has so much bearing on events involving police over the past few years... and those similar events going forward. The jury's decision and the following appeals will have a huge impact on the interactions... and consequences or no consequences... of police and civilians for some time.
 
Butterfly said:
I think probably everybody in this country who is conscious would have seen that video at one time or another. It was everywhere for a while.
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I don't doubt that. My point was simply that I recognize that I am biased and therefore would not be a good candidate for the jury. I was responding to a specific post. I hope that clarifies what I said for those for whom it was not at all clear in that post.

Tony
 
Butterfly said:
I think probably everybody in this country who is conscious would have seen that video at one time or another. It was everywhere for a while.
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One of the jurors claimed to have not seen the video before the trial. I guess that's possible if he never watched the news, but I'm still skeptical. We shall see if he's the one holdout on a conviction.
 
The guy needs to be charged and found guilty for a lot of things but 2nd degree murder is a stretch. Not unsual for DAs to over charge so they have leverage/incentive for a plea deal which they were hoping for here. The family already settled with the city and I think is one reason they released that information prior to trial to show the public there some financial justice anyway.
 
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Irwin said:
One of the jurors claimed to have not seen the video before the trial. I guess that's possible if he never watched the news, but I'm still skeptical. We shall see if he's the one holdout on a conviction.
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I find that difficult to believe as well....This not only happened in his own city, but caused world wide condemnation... wasn't he interested to see why riots were occuring in his home town?... Odd that someone who lives there and just happened to be chosen for Jury service, wouldn't have seen the video, but the rest of the world has...
 
hollydolly said:
I find that difficult to believe as well....This not only happened in his own city, but caused world wide condemnation... wasn't he interested to see why riots were occuring in his home town?... Odd that someone who lives there and just happened to be chosen for Jury service, wouldn't have seen the video, but the rest of the world has...
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Please allow me to refer you to the statement by Pepper above. Truer words were never spoken.
 
Irwin said:
One of the jurors claimed to have not seen the video before the trial. I guess that's possible if he never watched the news, but I'm still skeptical. We shall see if he's the one holdout on a conviction.
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My opinion of the juror in question, he/she is nothing more than a filthy liar!
 
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