Nosy Bee-54
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I read that one of the reasons she filed for divorce so quickly was to get her share of his pension and other assets because she knew what was coming. They also owned two homes.
The Derek Chauvin Trial
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It's so very sad this ever happened to him.
That he died that way but hopefully the judge will hand down a good, lengthy sentence of what should be the rest of his (Chauvin's) life in prison.JimBob1952
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I can't remember a time when the chief of police testified against one of the members of his own force, but my memory is shot anyway.
Mine's shot to hell, too.
Murrmurr
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It's happened. In some cases their partners testified for the prosecution, too, and in 1 case that I know of, the city's mayor did as well.
Gaer
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Yes, The trial was fair and he probably knew the outcome.
I have two concerns.
THE MOB threatening to riot ,to steal, perform arson, rape, kill, whatever, if the verdict did not come in a certain way,
was EXTORTION! IMO. Why is mob action not ever penalized?
Secondly, and I've said this before,
When will people stop demonizing and criminalizing all police while the criminals (performing criminal actions) are civil rights martyrs?
I have two concerns.
THE MOB threatening to riot ,to steal, perform arson, rape, kill, whatever, if the verdict did not come in a certain way,
was EXTORTION! IMO. Why is mob action not ever penalized?
Secondly, and I've said this before,
When will people stop demonizing and criminalizing all police while the criminals (performing criminal actions) are civil rights martyrs?
JimBob1952
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Regarding George Floyd, all I can say is, De mortuis nihil nisi bonum.
Nosy Bee-54
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Maybe when other officers who see excessive force and brutality, step up and protect the victims. Maybe when more police chiefs step forward for justice. Maybe when the police unions stop defending and protecting bad police.
JimBob1952
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Murmurr, I bow to your superior knowledge in this area.
You have a point, at par. 1. MN SC
1. We have frequently held that the premeditation essential to constitute a killing murder in the first degree need not exist for any specific period of time. State v. Gowdy, 262 Minn. 70, 113 N.W.2d 578;[1] State ex rel. Fruhrman v. Tahash, 275 Minn. 242, 146 N.W.2d 174.[2]
Similarly, we have frequently held that premeditation and design, or intent as used in the new code, are products of the mind and wholly subjective, and that they are often incapable of direct proof but can be inferred from circumstantial proof. See, State ex rel. Fruhrman v. Tahash, supra.
However, the Prosecution indeed felt it would be confusing to the Jury in this case to go for 1, or other reasons?
https://law.justia.com/cases/minnesota/supreme-court/1967/39641-1.html
Nosy Bee-54
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Current US Attorney General Merrick Garland:
“I also saw the videos last summer, all through the summer. And like many Americans, I was shocked. But many black Americans were not shocked, because they have known of this kind of treatment before,” he told ABC News.
“I felt that beginning last summer, at least, there was a chance to bring this to the fore of the national consciousness, to create a moment in which we could change. And part of the reason that I wanted to be attorney general was I wanted to help bring that change,” he said.
https://nypost.com/2021/04/20/ag-merrick-garland-says-racism-is-an-american-problem/
Garland who is a former federal judge also said:
“Look, racism is an American problem,” Garland told ABC News.
“It’s plain to me that there has been and remains discrimination against African Americans and other communities of color, and other ethnic minorities. I think it’s reflected in discrimination in housing and employment and the justice system,” he said. “We do not yet have equal justice under law.”
“I also saw the videos last summer, all through the summer. And like many Americans, I was shocked. But many black Americans were not shocked, because they have known of this kind of treatment before,” he told ABC News.
“I felt that beginning last summer, at least, there was a chance to bring this to the fore of the national consciousness, to create a moment in which we could change. And part of the reason that I wanted to be attorney general was I wanted to help bring that change,” he said.
https://nypost.com/2021/04/20/ag-merrick-garland-says-racism-is-an-american-problem/
Garland who is a former federal judge also said:
“Look, racism is an American problem,” Garland told ABC News.
“It’s plain to me that there has been and remains discrimination against African Americans and other communities of color, and other ethnic minorities. I think it’s reflected in discrimination in housing and employment and the justice system,” he said. “We do not yet have equal justice under law.”
tbeltrans
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rgp
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Gaer
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Nosy Bee-54
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In this ONE particular case justice found the sweet spot.Justice served in this case.
tbeltrans
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Opinions are flying fast and furious around here. I think my wife and I will just stay home and see how things settle out. As I mentioned earlier, I am glad the governor finally realized we need more law enforcement to contain civil unrest around here and asked for help from other states since the Minneapolis city council pretty much chased a lot of cops away with their attitude about "disbanding" during the last round of riots. This may be an emotional/intellectual exercise for folks around here, but for us living in it, this is all very real.
Tony
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I don't even know where to start on all your misinformation in your post. What mob? What people? To many generalities without facts. There are bad police like bad people in any profession. They give the 99.999 percent good ones a black eye. And the good ones can make a bad mistake unintentionally. What martyrs? Just put you on ignore.
Nathan
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There will always be the Blue Code, it's the police culture. I've seen patrol vehicles where somebody modified the motto- "Dedicated to Your Safety" with some typewriter white-out fluid to read: "Dedicated to Our Safety"
Murrmurr
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I don't know what you mean.
Chauvin's attorney presented a good defense, the best he could, imo.
The jury was probably nervous, maybe even scared about making the "wrong" decision, but imo this was legal justice, not social justice. It happened to fall in line with public opinion. If that's what you mean by the sweet spot, I agree.
hollydolly
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Well yes that also could have been a reason, but if she'd stayed married to him surely she would still be entitled to half his pension and their homes...
I am shocked tho' to read that he will potentially receive 50k of taxpayers money in the form of a pension every year. This is a man who is younger than my daughter, and a long way from retirement age
https://www.newsweek.com/derek-chau...ep-his-pension-despite-guilty-verdict-1585175
He may not live (in prison) to get that money, imo. Nobody liked what he did and those in prison may not let him live.
hollydolly
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yep I feel that may well be the case...and surely if the wife is divorced from him she wouldn't be entitled to his pension by then ..or would she ?..I'm not au fait with US laws
Minnesota should change their law in line with other states regarding felony convictions. I would be surprised if he survived 5 years in prison. Former cops in prison with lifers with nothing to lose can be a deadly combination.