The Framework for the Deal with Iran

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Most are pleasantly surprised at the strength of the framework deal agreed to with Iran. It appears to be a much stronger deal than was expected.. Almost on cue however, many of the usual suspects in the GOP and of course Netanyahu are setting their hair on fire over it. Reasonable and intelligent people on both sides of the aisle are impressed and a bit more optimistic.. What do you think?

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/opinion-la/la-ol-iran-nuclear-deal-20150402-story.html

Briefly:

It reduces Iran’s enriched uranium to an amount and enrichment level lower than it would need for a nuclear weapon.

It cuts the number of centrifuges Iran can operate from about 19,000 to 6,104, and stipulates that they cannot be advanced machines.

It converts Iran’s underground facility at Fordow and its plutonium reactor at Arak to unthreatening uses.

It opens Iran’s facilities – and, importantly, its entire “supply chain” for potential nuclear machinery -- to international inspection.

And it maintains those limits for at least 10 years, many of them longer.
 

It has a long way to go for finalization and Repubs are already attacking it along with Bibi, et al....
 

[FONT=arial, sans-serif]Yes, the framework on this deal does look strong, it will be a victory for all that prefer diplomacy over war.[/FONT]
[FONT=arial, sans-serif]I read that the inspections would be for 15 years and that the sanctions would not be lifted at signing but rather after inspections.[/FONT]

[FONT=arial, sans-serif]This will be icing on the cake for this administration's long list of achievements..[/FONT]

I find it to be a really strange world that there are those that would condemn any agreement for peace.
 
SOME in the GOP want war... likely the ones that have taken huge campaign donations from contractors.. it's payback time. Netanyahu is only looking for the US to do his dirty work again.. like we did for him in Iraq.. (look how well that turned out). If Israel wants to bomb Iran.. let them do it themselves.. I think we are getting a bit tired of Bibi playing the same old tune and watching the GOP dance to it.
 
Ralphy1 said:
It has a long way to go for finalization and Repubs are already attacking it along with Bibi, et al....
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Would anything be expected. I would imagine they had their negative comments all written out long before they even knew what the deal would be.
 
President Obama to warn congress......

Obama: In the coming days and weeks, my administration will engage Congress once again about how we can play -- how it can play a constructive oversight role. I'll begin that effort by speaking to the leaders of the House and the Senate today.

In those conversations, I will underscore that the issues at stake here are bigger than politics. These are matters of war and peace. And they should be evaluated based on the facts, and what is ultimately best for the American people and for our national security. For, this is not simply a deal between my administration and Iran. This is a deal between Iran, the United States of America and the major powers in the world, including some of our closest allies.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...ing-a-framework-for-a-nuclear-deal-with-iran/
 
The 1st two paragraphs of the NYT's leading story. I like the hand metaphor.

WASHINGTON — On the day he took office, President Obama reached out to America’s enemies, offering in his first inaugural address to “extend a hand if you are willing to unclench your fist.” More than six years later, he has arrived at a moment of truth in testing that proposition with one of the nation’s most intransigent adversaries.


The framework nuclear agreement he reached with Iran on Thursday did not provide the definitive answer to whether Mr. Obama’s audacious gamble will pay off. The fist Iran has shaken at the so-called Great Satan since 1979 has not completely relaxed. But the fingers are loosening, and the agreement, while still incomplete, held out the prospect that it might yet become a handshake.
 
If you would listen to the Republican members of Congress... and the radio/television pundits... this has become Obama vs. them. This was a long sought negotiation hammered out by Iran, Russia, China, Germany, France, Britian, and the U.S. We... the U.S. State Department... were not the only one at the table with Iran.

This is the key that I don't believe the anti-everything- Obama cult seems to understand. Congress can break this deal by voting to not relax sanctions. If they do, they will not only claim their victory over the POTUS but they will invoke the ire of the many others who participated in hammering out this plan. But, I don't know that the good of any others matter as long as they can throw sand in anything this POTUS might gain some credit for.
 
This hate for the Republicans is surely not necessary and definitly wrong. Only some of the Republicans signed the letter to Iran. What was the number who have signed, about 40 I think. But some of the nasty talk on this forum makes it sound like all are against this deal. On TV this morning it showed a Democrat who says he must first read it himself before he considers it a good item or not. He was a New York person, well known, but I can not think of his name for sure. Shumer, or something like that, I think.

It is not a final deal at all. Just a joint draft and the final won't come till late June and then we see who all agrees and who may not agree. It would be nice to have Iran respect and treat the US with honesty and fairness as it did prior to the last 50? years of hate and fighting from their quarters while the US has not attacked Iran directly. Let us see, it was Democrat Jimmy Carter as President the last time any US military tried to correct the Iranian mess that Iran had created by themselves.

So now we watch and see just how this whole thing shapes up and see what actually comes out of the June 30th announcement. It would be nice if they could also get Iran to pull back its wild Hamas and other agitators that are messing with Palestinian and Jewish peace talks and efforts to complete what has been in process since way back when with Norway trying twice for peace agreements and the US under Clinton trying again. So far all attempts have sounded good at the tables but then we find Hamas and other pressure groups from Iran show up and ruin the efforts. Too bad for the last many years now, 30 years or more but I just don't have the data in front of me right now.

Certainly hope Iran can be driven to peace finally. Long history of dishonesty and treachery that needs to be set aside by Iran.
 
Sorry Jim, I try to use my memory. Seems to be better than you lady buddy, she loves to say all when it is not all. She just loves irrational hammering of those that don't think her very biased way.

Only comment was about how many were not happy with the Iranians and sent them such a note. Not a thing about my much longer comments about how that agreement was only a draft and had many things yet to be worked out. June 30 will be the day of success or regrets. Those folks have yet to prove they can be trusted.
 
BobF said:
Sorry Jim, I try to use my memory. Seems to be better than you lady buddy, she loves to say all when it is not all. She just loves irrational hammering of those that don't think her very biased way.

Only comment was about how many were not happy with the Iranians and sent them such a note. Not a thing about my much longer comments about how that agreement was only a draft and had many things yet to be worked out. June 30 will be the day of success or regrets. Those folks have yet to prove they can be trusted.
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Awwwww shucks Bob... and here I thought you were sweet on me... :love_heart:
 
Why should anyone be sweet on you. You say all Republicans when the count is only 47 to how many in the US government and outside. You did not specify just Senators as you act as if you know it was all Republicans. Why should anyone be sweet for a single minded person such as some on this forum.
 
'Scuse me? Here was what I wrote.... are you feeling ok hun.... Maybe your eyesight is a tad blurry...


QuickSilver said:
SOME in the GOP want war... likely the ones that have taken huge campaign donations from contractors.. it's payback time. Netanyahu is only looking for the US to do his dirty work again.. like we did for him in Iraq.. (look how well that turned out). If Israel wants to bomb Iran.. let them do it themselves.. I think we are getting a bit tired of Bibi playing the same old tune and watching the GOP dance to it.
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BobF said:
Why should anyone be sweet on you. You say all Republicans when the count is only 47 to how many in the US government and outside. You did not specify just Senators as you act as if you know it was all Republicans. Why should anyone be sweet for a single minded person such as some on this forum.
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Sweetie... you better go lie down for awhile until your eyesight clears...
 
Getting back to who did and did not sign the infamous Iran letter. Of the republican senators (54) 47 signed the letter only 7 did not. I would say almost all signed it, anyone can frame the story their way but no one can dispute the math. I received on letter from Jeff Flake in response to my thank you for him being one of the seven. He said the letter was ill advised and not helpful.
 
AZ Jim said:
Getting back to who did and did not sign the infamous Iran letter. Of the republican senators (54) 47 signed the letter only 7 did not. I would say almost all signed it, anyone can frame the story their way but no one can dispute the math. I received on letter from Jeff Flake in response to my thank you for him being one of the seven. He said the letter was ill advised and not helpful.
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Fixed it..
 
I think what is most infuriating is how much they have jumped all over this deal.. They REALLY want war I'm afraid.. Diplomacy is not on their agenda. So what happens then? bomb Iran and they will go full speed into bomb making. It makes no sense.
 
It makes sense if you are a politician with lots of campaign donations coming from the military industrial complex and you know your own family members won't sign up to go and get killed in the war they start.
 
Debby said:
It makes sense if you are a politician with lots of campaign donations coming from the military industrial complex and you know your own family members won't sign up to go and get killed in the war they start.
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That's it Debbie, you won't see them on any front line. War mongers are cowards with big mouths.
 

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