The "good old" days?

Was just reflecting on my early school days (elementary school years), where the school grounds were designated, one side for boys, the other for the girls.

Thinking back in it now it's so utterly absurd, but I don't remember it lasting overly long. If my memory serves me correct, the segregated grounds rule was phased-out by the time I hit the second or third grade.

Even more insane than that, Marg, was the elementary school I went to, probably built in Victorian times, as it was a pretty old building. The girls had to line up on one side of the building, the boys on another, and we had to go in through doors that had GIRLS or BOYS engraved in the stone above the door. Then, when we got inside, boys and girls mingled together in the classroom! 😁
 

Even more insane than that, Marg, was the elementary school I went to, probably built in Victorian times, as it was a pretty old building. The girls had to line up on one side of the building, the boys on another, and we had to go in through doors that had GIRLS or BOYS engraved in the stone above the door. Then, when we got inside, boys and girls mingled together in the classroom! 😁
Woh, seriously?!? When I was in school, the only thing that was "girls only" and "boys only" was gym class- or, as some locations call it, P.E. Topping it off, girls had gym class 2 days a week and boys had it 3 days a week. When I was in my last years of high school, we were told that had to change- not only giving girls equal time, but making the gym classes "co-ed." I didn't know a single student, male or female, who did not hate that new arrangement.
 
Even more insane than that, Marg, was the elementary school I went to, probably built in Victorian times, as it was a pretty old building. The girls had to line up on one side of the building, the boys on another, and we had to go in through doors that had GIRLS or BOYS engraved in the stone above the door. Then, when we got inside, boys and girls mingled together in the classroom! 😁
me too
 

Even more insane than that, Marg, was the elementary school I went to, probably built in Victorian times, as it was a pretty old building. The girls had to line up on one side of the building, the boys on another, and we had to go in through doors that had GIRLS or BOYS engraved in the stone above the door. Then, when we got inside, boys and girls mingled together in the classroom! 😁
That's crazy, Sunny!

No rhyme or reason behind that whatsoever... absolute silliness.

Wish my memory served me better regarding this, because I can't recall how things were once inside. We definitely mingled in class together, but as for being inside when the weather was bad, I don't recall if the school basement was segregated. If I remember right, everyone (boys and girls) would all congregate as one in the great room and hallways.
 
Grades 1-3, no segregation according to sex on playground.
Different school in grades 4-6-segregated boys on one side...
This bit of social engineering made girls foreign and mysterious.

In junior high, the segregation continued; however, it was self-imposed.
Now it had become rigid-you cannot go around where the girls congregate-you'll
suffer the ire of the boys: 'sissy, girl-lover, and far worse.

Very strange how social structuring operates, once put in motion, difficult to stop.
 
That's crazy, Sunny!

No rhyme or reason behind that whatsoever... absolute silliness.

Wish my memory served me better regarding this, because I can't recall how things were once inside. We definitely mingled in class together, but as for being inside when the weather was bad, I don't recall if the school basement was segregated. If I remember right, everyone (boys and girls) would all congregate as one in the great room and hallways.
What's a great room? Just guessing- another name for library?
 
What's a great room? Just guessing- another name for library?
Nope, not a library. In our school it resembled that of a dungeon, with large concrete castle-like pillars with large archways connecting them, and all was concrete... the floor, the walls. The room was baronial in size. There was wooden benches scattered all around for kids to sit, a gigantic open closet area to hang your jacket and things when the weather was miserable, etc.
 
One thing that stands out for me regarding my early school years, is starting the day off with the reciting of the lord's prayer.
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In the thread about the C.S. Lewis quote, somebody said,:

If you are old enough to remember the cultural values on the 1950's and early 60's:
the events of today are beyond comprehension.

"What happened?"


I thought this was interesting enough to start a new thread on it. Starsong already mentioned the lack of women's rights and civil rights. How many more cultural values
of that period can we (not so fondly) remember?

Here are some:

Gays were very much in the closet, or living in shame and ridicule.

Schools were segregated all over the country, both de facto and de jure.

In the popular mind, everybody was a Christian, except for a few exotic sub-groups here and there, who didn't matter.

Girls were encouraged to grow up to be secretaries, nurses, or teachers. That about covered it.

Kids were taken out to the woodshed (literally or figuratively) and physically assaulted, to teach them to "behave."

Nearly every middle-class home looked alike. Conformity was the value of the day.

Everybody was required to dress pretty formally and uncomfortably most of the time, outside the home.

Feel free to add to this, if you can remember the "good old days."


So the "good old days" were just that, but only if you were a straight white male. A couple of things I remember as being better:

People weren't so obese, they didn't dress like slobs all the time and tattoos were scarce. (JMHO about the tattoos).

Crime rates were much lower.

Drugs were a rarity. (I'm talking pre-1965).

There were lots of great bookstores in New York (until about 1990).

No rap music, no one singing about slapping bitches around. Instead, we had the Beatles, Motown, Elvis, Sinatra.

People coming out of college could write using proper grammar and had some knowledge of history.

There wasn't that much difference between Republicans and Democrats. In fact it was the Southern Democrats who fought against the civil rights movement. I have read that in the 1950s about 35% of black people voted Republican.

People were more mature at an earlier age. They married earlier, had children earlier, bought (relatively inexpensive) houses earlier.

But it's true that racism, sexism, homophobia and other evils were much more prevalent.
 
@JimBob1952
"People weren't so obese"
Outside of the Port Authority there is a life size statue of Jackie Gleason as Ralph Kramden. Most people walking past, men & women, were fatter than him by a lot. And NYC is one of the thinnest cities in the USA.
 
Just to shock my daughter I showed her an old segment from "Soul Train" with the kids dancing to Stevie Wonder's "I Wish". Dressed to the nines, slim, athletic, having a blast. Gone forever, I'm afraid.
 
Some bad things:

Cars were always breaking down, even new ones.

Everybody smoked cigarettes.

White middle-class Midwestern Protestantism was considered "the norm."

Selma, Birmingham (the brutality, not the bravery), Vietnam, terrible urban riots in the late 60s.

Parents hating kids and vice-versa. (Late 60s/early 70s).

Followed by Watergate, energy crises, sky-high interest rates and double digit inflation. And then AIDs in the 1980s.
 
Boy reading this brought so many memories especially of High School. I went to an all girls Catholic High School and my boyfriend went to an all Boy High School. That's why I loved going to the dances on Friday, Saturday and Sunday nights. I especially liked making out behind the Bleachers !😊😊😊
 
So the "good old days" were just that, but only if you were a straight white male. A couple of things I remember as being better:

Crime rates were much lower.

Definitely true overall but I think it's important to point out than many crime rates peaked in 1980 or 1991-1992 and we've been steadily going down since then in most areas.

According to the data at http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm the peaks in various crimes were as follows:

Total crimes 1980
Violent crimes 1991
Property crimes 1980
Murder 1980
Forcible rape 2016
Robbery 1991
Aggravated assault 1992
Burglary 1980
Larceny theft 1991
Vehicle theft 1991

Overall 2018 (the latest year of statistics in their data) Total crime and were higher than 1965 but lower than 1966
2018 Violent crime between 1970 and 1971
2018 Property crime between 1964 and 1965
2018 Murder is 11th lowest in the list with 2014 and 2013 being the lowest two in the list
2018 Forcible rape is 3rd highest in the list
2018 Robbery between 1966 and 1967
2018 Aggravated assault between 1976 and 1977
2018 Burglary is lower than anytime since 1960 and the years 2015-2017 are also less than 1960
2018 Larceny theft between 1967 and 1968
2018 Vehicle theft between 1963 and 1964 as all of the 2010 years except 2014 which was lower than 1963
 
Definitely true overall but I think it's important to point out than many crime rates peaked in 1980 or 1991-1992 and we've been steadily going down since then in most areas.

According to the data at http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm the peaks in various crimes were as follows:

Total crimes 1980
Violent crimes 1991
Property crimes 1980
Murder 1980
Forcible rape 2016
Robbery 1991
Aggravated assault 1992
Burglary 1980
Larceny theft 1991
Vehicle theft 1991

Overall 2018 (the latest year of statistics in their data) Total crime and were higher than 1965 but lower than 1966
2018 Violent crime between 1970 and 1971
2018 Property crime between 1964 and 1965
2018 Murder is 11th lowest in the list with 2014 and 2013 being the lowest two in the list
2018 Forcible rape is 3rd highest in the list
2018 Robbery between 1966 and 1967
2018 Aggravated assault between 1976 and 1977
2018 Burglary is lower than anytime since 1960 and the years 2015-2017 are also less than 1960
2018 Larceny theft between 1967 and 1968
2018 Vehicle theft between 1963 and 1964 as all of the 2010 years except 2014 which was lower than 1963
Agree completely!
 
Was just reflecting on my early school days (elementary school years), where the school grounds were designated, one side for boys, the other for the girls.

Thinking back in it now it's so utterly absurd, but I don't remember it lasting overly long. If my memory serves me correct, the segregated grounds rule was phased-out by the time I hit the second or third grade.
I started school in 1939 (first grade - no kindergarten) and the boys and girls were separated on the playground and it still remained that way when I graduated to Jr. High (now Middle School) in 1944.
 
I started school in 1939 (first grade - no kindergarten) and the boys and girls were separated on the playground and it still remained that way when I graduated to Jr. High (now Middle School) in 1944.
It's funny, because I've mentioned the fact to a number of people over the years, and they look at me like I'm from another planet.
 
Yeah, but they were easier to fix and when you looked under the hood you knew what you were looking at. Now a days there are too many electronics involved and I'm lost looking under the hood now. 🤣

Except to attach jumper cables, check oil or add water, I have never looked under the hood. That is for someone who knows what he/she is doing. Your moniker would indicate that you are such a person.
 
Some bad things:

Parents hating kids and vice-versa. (Late 60s/early 70s).

Well, I wouldn't say hated- ok maybe in some cases- but I recall a phrase people used: the generation gap. Considering then vs. now, it wasn't such a bad thing.

It's less about actual age than a person's role... and I think there'd be fewer problems these days if this approach were still common- if parents realized they're parents, teachers realized they were teachers, etc., and they stopped acting like they were the kids' 'friends.'
 
Girls wore dresses or skirts. NO slacks, jeans. A pair of shorts for gym class after high school came along. I entered 1st grade 1939.
 


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