The Homeless

[Shalimar]

Good for you. I'm sure you're a compassionate person. I wasn't responding to your post btw but to a post from "Izzy."
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Thanks, very kind of you to say so. I did realise you were referencing something Izzy said re vacant property. I deleted that part of my post, but not soon enough.

 

[JimBob1952]

I hope people don't misunderstand me. Giving food, blankets and comfort to people who are down on their luck is wonderful. I'm just trying to make the point that permanent problems (mental illness and substance abuse) need permanent solutions.

 

[Shalimar]

I hope people don't misunderstand me. Giving food, blankets and comfort to people who are down on their luck is wonderful. I'm just trying to make the point that permanent problems (mental illness and substance abuse) need permanent solutions.

Thank you for clarifying that. I do know you are a kind person. You are a Guardian Angel to a very vulnerable lady. Big props for that, my friend.

 

[izzy]

Good for you. I'm sure you're a compassionate person. I wasn't responding to your post btw but to a post from "Izzy."
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The point I was trying to make is that it is unfortunate that our society shows little understanding, empathy or compassion to fellow human beings. Yes simplistic though my opinion might be but I still stand by the FACT that it's appalling for anyone not to have somewhere safe and warm to sleep when there are others who have more than they could ever use or need but still hold on to it rather than give it away. To much greed and selfishness in the world. Just my opinion

 

[izzy]

So, you're saying that if I own an unrented investment property, a homeless person has a right to sleep there? Sorry, life doesn't work that way.

I know lots of liberals. I've never known a single one who let a homeless person sleep in his or her house, even for a night.

 

[izzy]

 

[OneEyedDiva]

I agree with @Aunt Marg but tackling homelessness is a complicated issue. Each city and state has it's own rulings. Not enough shelters are available. Some of the homeless actually prefer to stay homeless. One of my step sons was homeless in Baltimore. He was handsome and a few women offered him a place to stay but often he lived on the streets. My husband used to try to help whoever he could and he told me stories of people who didn't want to go to shelters because of the restrictions. Once someone close to me chose to live in her car (without my knowledge) and she and her children very well could have stayed with me. People are afraid of the homeless because some are mentally ill and some can be dangerous. And people don't want shelters built in their neighborhoods.

I read a story about a tent city in N.J. where homeless people set up not only tents but built a tiny wooded "church" in a park. The city came in and tore that down and chased them out. One of the couples was interviewed. They had been successful and even well off but the husband's medical bills wiped them out. Apparently others there had also been productive citizens who fell on hard time. I felt bad when I read that story. Thereby but the grace of God go I.

 

[Irwin]

Check this out. It's a "homeless" camp called Community First! Village just outside of Austin, TX.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/26/us/iyw-town-for-the-homeless-trnd/index.html

They're expanding it to another 40 acres.

The average age is 58 and most people there have been homeless for over 10 years. They do have to pay rent, though, which starts at $230 a month, and it's Christian-centric. I assume they allow other religions.

Here's a video:

They try to get people there to form healthy relationships, so loners may be out of luck.

 

[izzy]

Sounds and looks very positive and as long as its not compulsory to be a Christian to be a resident its a good thing.

 

[mellowyellow]

I guess we have to be realistic. We all care about our quality of life, my street is quiet and gardens are well maintained, there is only the sound of pigeons cooing and the occasional lawn mower shattering the peace. So if someone moved in next door and turned the property into a sanctuary for the homeless, with no toilet facilities or garbage removal, I’d be pretty ticked off. So I could find myself on the other side.

 

[rgp]

Check this out. It's a "homeless" camp called Community First! Village just outside of Austin, TX.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/26/us/iyw-town-for-the-homeless-trnd/index.html

They're expanding it to another 40 acres.

The average age is 58 and most people there have been homeless for over 10 years. They do have to pay rent, though, which starts at $230 a month, and it's Christian-centric. I assume they allow other religions.

Here's a video:

They try to get people there to form healthy relationships, so loners may be out of luck.

I have no need for living there, but I believe I could live there comfortably . Someone did a nice job. Kudo's to them. I would need [if available] my own bathroom .

 

[izzy]

I guess we have to be realistic. We all care about our quality of life, my street is quiet and gardens are well maintained, there is only the sound of pigeons cooing and the occasional lawn mower shattering the peace. So if someone moved in next door and turned the property into a sanctuary for the homeless, with no toilet facilities or garbage removal, I’d be pretty ticked off. So I could find myself on the other side.

I may be wrong but I believe there are toilet and garbage removal facilities. Guess the saying I'm alright Jack springs to mind ! British saying but you can google it if your not familiar. Thought for the day imagine being the person who had no toilet or garbage facilities, think being "ticked off" would not even come close to how it would make you feel as a human being.

 

[oldiebutgoody]

Check this out. It's a "homeless" camp called Community First! Village just outside of Austin, TX.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/26/us/iyw-town-for-the-homeless-trnd/index.html

They're expanding it to another 40 acres.

The average age is 58 and most people there have been homeless for over 10 years. They do have to pay rent, though, which starts at $230 a month, and it's Christian-centric. I assume they allow other religions.

Here's a video:

They try to get people there to form healthy relationships, so loners may be out of luck.

There are about a dozen abandoned military bases all throughout the USA. Each can readily be sold or given to churches such as Salvation Army or Catholic Charities, rehabbed, and then converted to viable homes for the homeless. Same with the many abandoned urban factories and schools.

 

[Buckeye]

Here's the thing. One hard and fast rule of human nature is that you will get more of anything that you reward. If you reward homelessness with free housing, you will get more homeless.

 

[asp3]

Here's the thing. One hard and fast rule of human nature is that you will get more of anything that you reward. If you reward homelessness with free housing, you will get more homeless.

This has been shown not to be true. There are multiple instances of locations that gave the homeless housing, reduced the costs associated with them and increased the number of homeless who were able to transition from being homeless to being able to work and pay for their own housing.

 

[Buckeye]

This has been shown not to be true. There are multiple instances of locations that gave the homeless housing, reduced the costs associated with them and increased the number of homeless who were able to transition from being homeless to being able to work and pay for their own housing.

Sorry but we keep doing more for the homeless yet the # of homeless continues to grow. Cherry picking a couple of data points doesn't change human nature. The following from a Wiki article on homelessnes:

In New York City, the number of homeless people using nightly shelter services has tripled from approximately 20,000 to more than 60,000 between January 2000 and January 2015.[63] In 2016, homelessness is considered an epidemic in several U.S. cities. "Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti and seven of the 15 City Council members announced they would declare a state of emergency and try to find $100 million to cure what has become a municipal curse."[64]

In September 2018, in MARTIN V. CITY OF BOISE, the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit ruled that the city's Camping and Disorderly Conduct Ordinances violated the Eighth Amendment’s prohibition on cruel and unusual punishment. Cities can't punish homeless people for sleeping in public when the homeless shelters are full.[65]

During the COVID-19 pandemic in the United States, mass job loss and unemployment led to fears of mass evictions as tenants became unable to pay rent.[66]

 

[oldiebutgoody]

This has been shown not to be true. There are multiple instances of locations that gave the homeless housing, reduced the costs associated with them and increased the number of homeless who were able to transition from being homeless to being able to work and pay for their own housing.

The example of Levittown, NY proves your point especially when it came to homeless or returning veterans.

 

[Lara]

In Brazil, Priest Julio Lancellotti breaking stones put under a bridge to prevent homeless people from sleeping.

This wonderful man is trying to help while we sit idly by and watch how the cities of the world thinks up new ways to prevent the homeless from cluttering up the sidewalks. I know there is nothing we can do personally, but the way we (the lucky ones) turn a blind eye and pretend it isn't happening doesn't seem right. What do you think?

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I know I have a lot of nerve coming in here for the first time after 92 posts and upsetting the applecart but does anyone see anything wrong with this picture? ...click on the blue attachment in the quote

I say all this in a sort of tongue-'n-cheek way because what do I know? If it's really about courage and kindness then I'd be a jerk.
...but the story headline says his name is Priest Julio Lancellotti...BUT...his doctor's coat says "Dr. Gheffond Diagnostics". Ok, so I know many hospitals have Chapels with a Priest and a Pastor on staff but the names don't even match. Maybe someone really did loan him their washed and pressed hospital coat for this filthy job?

Okay moving on, the next thing is that the initial installation must have been extremely expensive for the state (pouring a huge slab of concrete, chiseling heavy squared off stones, especially that many, and setting them in the wet concrete). So obviously they're going to be ticked off and have him arrested, no? Btw, did they hire the homeless to do that and pay them? And don't they know the homeless will simply move on down the street?

One more thing. Does the "good samaritan" seriously think he wont get caught with his name and department on his coat, clearly visible, and then stand in front of the media's camera while digging up this expensive massive undertaking by the state?

But what do I know *shrugs*. I know I'm missing the point. It's really a nice discussion about the homeless problem. Carrry-on and just ignore me...it's one of those kinda days

 

[asp3]

Sorry but we keep doing more for the homeless yet the # of homeless continues to grow. Cherry picking a couple of data points doesn't change human nature. The following from a Wiki article on homelessnes:

In New York City, the number of homeless people using nightly shelter services has tripled from approximately 20,000 to more than 60,000 between January 2000 and January 2015.[63] In 2016, homelessness is considered an epidemic in several U.S. cities. "Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti and seven of the 15 City Council members announced they would declare a state of emergency and try to find $100 million to cure what has become a municipal curse."[64]

In September 2018, in MARTIN V. CITY OF BOISE, the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit ruled that the city's Camping and Disorderly Conduct Ordinances violated the Eighth Amendment’s prohibition on cruel and unusual punishment. Cities can't punish homeless people for sleeping in public when the homeless shelters are full.[65]

During the COVID-19 pandemic in the United States, mass job loss and unemployment led to fears of mass evictions as tenants became unable to pay rent.[66]

As far as I know NYC was not one of the places that implemented the programs I was talking about. So you can't site an increase in one area to say that the programs aren't working in another area.

The programs are a tough sell to both politicians and their constituents because they see them as "giving something away for free" even when they end up saving more money than they cost.

In addition these programs are for helping people who are already homeless not aimed at preventing from people from becoming homeless. As I stated in one of my earlier postings in this thread. I don't think homelessness is the problem it's the symptom of other problems.

We are in unique times now, so I do expect Covid related homelessness to increase over the next few months.

 

[gennie]

Good for you. I'm sure you're a compassionate person. I wasn't responding to your post btw but to a post from "Izzy."

The point I was trying to make is that it is unfortunate that our society shows little understanding, empathy or compassion to fellow human beings. Yes simplistic though my opinion might be but I still stand by the FACT that it's appalling for anyone not to have somewhere safe and warm to sleep when there are others who have more than they could ever use or need but still hold on to it rather than give it away. To much greed and selfishness in the world. Just my opinion
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Makes a lot of sense but your solution will never fly because it is a socialistic endeavor and Socialism is a nasty word in today's America.

 

[Aunt Marg]

My opinion of homelessness and hungry in our country (Canada)... instead of sending hundreds of millions of dollars of aid to other countries, take care of your own people first.

Charity begins at home.

 

[JimBob1952]

Thank you for clarifying that. I do know you are a kind person. You are a Guardian Angel to a very vulnerable lady. Big props for that, my friend.

The point I was trying to make is that it is unfortunate that our society shows little understanding, empathy or compassion to fellow human beings. Yes simplistic though my opinion might be but I still stand by the FACT that it's appalling for anyone not to have somewhere safe and warm to sleep when there are others who have more than they could ever use or need but still hold on to it rather than give it away. To much greed and selfishness in the world. Just my opinion

Makes a lot of sense but your solution will never fly because it is a socialistic endeavor and Socialism is a nasty word in today's America.
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Right, socialism will fix everything.

 

[Lara]

My opinion of homelessness and hungry in our country (Canada)... instead of sending hundreds of millions of dollars of aid to other countries, take care of your own people first.

Charity begins at home.

I hear you Marge. We've got American Veterans that are homeless cold and hungry on the streets and yet our government is sending aid to oil rich countries in the Middle East.

As of Jan 1, 2021
"There are over 630,000 homeless people in America. 67,495 are veterans. It amazes me that in today's society, over 1 in 10 homeless people in America are veterans."
Source: themilitarywallet.com

 

[Aunt Marg]

I hear you Marge. We've got American Veterans that are homeless cold and hungry on the streets and yet our government is sending aid to oil rich countries in the Middle East.

Nothing chaps by bottom worse, Lara, and nothing is more sad.

Boy, are those ever staggering numbers.

 

[mellowyellow]

I know I have a lot of nerve coming in here for the first time after 92 posts and upsetting the applecart but does anyone see anything wrong with this picture? ...click on the blue attachment in the quote

I say all this in a sort of tongue-'n-cheek way because what do I know? If it's really about courage and kindness then I'd be a jerk.
...but the story headline says his name is Priest Julio Lancellotti...BUT...his doctor's coat says "Dr. Gheffond Diagnostics". Ok, so I know many hospitals have Chapels with a Priest and a Pastor on staff but the names don't even match. Maybe someone really did loan him their washed and pressed hospital coat for this filthy job?

Okay moving on, the next thing is that the initial installation must have been extremely expensive for the state (pouring a huge slab of concrete, chiseling heavy squared off stones, especially that many, and setting them in the wet concrete). So obviously they're going to be ticked off and have him arrested, no? Btw, did they hire the homeless to do that and pay them? And don't they know the homeless will simply move on down the street?

One more thing. Does the "good samaritan" seriously think he wont get caught with his name and department on his coat, clearly visible, and then stand in front of the media's camera while digging up this expensive massive undertaking by the state?

But what do I know *shrugs*. I know I'm missing the point. It's really a nice discussion about the homeless problem. Carrry-on and just ignore me...it's one of those kinda days

Monsignor Júlio Renato Lancellotti is a Brazilian Catholic educator and priest, Monsignor and parish priest of the São Miguel Arcanjo Church in the Mooca neighborhood, in the city of São Paulo.

…….The stones used as a torture bed for the poor, which Father Júlio Lancellotti destroyed in São Paulo, are also part of what they define as a public good.

Maricots and stones play a role in the fascist state, even if often in disguise. For this reason, Father Lancellotti could be prosecuted for the destruction of a city's heritage…………

https://www.blogdomoisesmendes.com.br/a-marreta-do-padre-lancellotti/