The huge cost for security for the Pope's visit!

Falcon said:
I'm not a Catholic, or anything for that matter, but I think that he's a nice man.....and a VERY important man if you give it some thought.

He's got more power in his ring finger than many a politician, so we'd BETTER protect him regardless of the cost.

If anything bad were to happen to him while he's here, we'd have to go into hiding.
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That's the big picture. He is a head of state and an important world leader. Either ban him from coming or keep him safe. It's that simple.
 

Warrigal said:
That's the big picture. He is a head of state and an important world leader. Either ban him from coming or keep him safe. It's that simple.
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But dignitaries and big events come all the time with less security. The logistical problems with his 'visit' is all the different sites/speaking engagements. It's one thing to protect dignitaries but when you starting negatively affecting the local residents it's time to rethink. They tried to fry a state governor for reducing traffic lanes on a bridge which caused a fatality because an ambulance couldn't get through. They are shutting down entire sections of these cities with anyone trying to get in or out to conduct routine or emergency business is screwed.

I've worked in cities during presidential visits and other than his speaking/meeting locations traffic was only blocked during actual travel to and from. If it was a short visit they would leave roads shut down for a couple of hours.
 
As I stated previously... The govt designated it; blame them, not the Pope.
 

I'm not the least bit religious but I regard the Popes visit as a good thing. His peace overtures in Cuba, his message on Global climate change all good stuff. I have never seen a more down to earth Pope. I am glad we spent what it took to ensure his safety. This Pope gives Hope.
 
fureverywhere said:
I'm not Catholic and would never consider it but seeing all these masses of people just beaming to see him...it's just so uplifting. Seeing people that overjoyed in their faith is beautiful to witness. I would hate to see one lone nut destroy everything. He absolutely needs all the security they can give him.
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Yes Hanf, I am with you there.
But the O.P. question was about the cost.
And I think the Vatican should pay for it.
Or at least go halves.:D
 
boozercruiser said:
The O.P. Asked a question in respect of who foots the bill for the visit.
I answered.
If it doesn't matter what I or anyone else thinks, thank you for letting us know that.
At least I know where I stand!

The mods might just as well close the thread down now!
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Don't overreact to what I said. I merely made commented that in this question the question was to do with the Popes visit and it's security cost. No one pays a dime except us so it's what we think that matters. I didn't mean to offend you. In other words you don't have a dog in this fight.
 
AZ Jim said:
Don't overreact to what I said. I merely made commented that in this question the question was to do with the Popes visit and it's security cost. No one pays a dime except us so it's what we think that matters. I didn't mean to offend you. In other words you don't have a dog in this fight.
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I accept of course that you never meant to offend me. And you didn't AZ. Not at all.

But for you to say...

'No one pays a dime except us so it's what we think that matters'.

I do however find that opinion rather Condescending, Patronising and Pontifical.:D

And by the way. I don't own a Dog ! :playful:

PS. Also, I am still not offended.:D
 
I doubt Royalists would appreciate the same comments made about Queen Elizabeth who is also a religious leader. I don't think Canadians would ask Britain to chip in for her security. It is all a matter of perspective.
 
boozercruiser said:
Aaahhhhh YES.

The Church and all Religions has that effect you know SifuPhil.

I think!:cool:
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Sorry, Boozer - I should have put a "sarcasm" smiley in my post, and specified that he was bringing us closer together here on SeniorForums (because of the heated debate here).

I'm just a little devil, aren't I? :devilish:
 
Local small business especially in the food industry may be hurt the most with traffic detours and parking bans the logistics of operating a business in or near one of these Pope security areas was complicated including some restaurants having to rent refrigerated trucks to stock food in advance because no delivery trucks will be able to get in. Restaurants that deliver say they will have trouble making deliveries.

Should add that nothing allowed in includes trash pick-up trucks municipal or commercial. Those odors will do wonders for the local food businesses along with rats and roaches.

http://articles.philly.com/2015-08-17/news/65525616_1_pope-francis-cafe-owner-merchants

http://www.amny.com/eat-and-drink/p...-for-delivery-delays-seamless-says-1.10886207

In Philadelphia large chunks of their public transportation system will be shut down. The locals who need it rely on it are screwed.

http://scholarshipup.com/tag/philadelphia-public-transportation-shut-down-for-pope

Many neighborhoods are fenced off/in like in one those apocolypse zombie movies. Everyone's life in those zones or security areas are affected.

http://www.wpbf.com/national-news/fenced-in-for-hours-to-see-francis/35480814

Heard some hard core believers say if the pope knew the extent of some of these measures he would disapprove.
 
SifuPhil said:
Sorry, Boozer - I should have put a "sarcasm" smiley in my post, and specified that he was bringing us closer together here on SeniorForums (because of the heated debate here).

I'm just a little devil, aren't I? :devilish:
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There is no need to be sorry there my friend.:D
I did of course realise that you were being ever so slightly sarcastic there Sifu.:D
No probs.:cool:

YES !
You are!
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Falcon said:
Too bad the original post turned into a bunch of snotty remarks. Go to your rooms and STAY there until you're told that you may come out. :mad:
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O.K. Falcon. I am now in my room! :(
I might as well stay in here, because obviously my opinion in respect of this subject doesn't matter.
After all, I am just a little 'ole Scouser from Liverpool.
So what do I know on this subject of that nice Pope person visiting your lovely country and costing you wonderful folks a few dollars?
Obviously.
Absolutely Nothing !
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Falcon said:
I'm not a Catholic, or anything for that matter, but I think that he's a nice man.....and a VERY important man if you give it some thought.

He's got more power in his ring finger than many a politician, so we'd BETTER protect him regardless of the cost.

If anything bad were to happen to him while he's here, we'd have to go into hiding.
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I absolutely agree Falcon!!
 
boozercruiser said:
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O.K. Falcon. I am now in my room! :(
I might as well stay in here, because obviously my opinion in respect of this subject doesn't matter.
After all, I am just a little 'ole Scouser from Liverpool.
So what do I know on this subject of that nice Pope person visiting your lovely country and costing you wonderful folks a few dollars?
Obviously.
Absolutely Nothing !
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Oh come on. You need not play the victim here. Your opinion about our expenditure to protect the Pope is no more your business than mine about the cost of supporting the monarchy in your country. Let's just be realistic here. Your opinion on this board is as good as the next guys but you need to put things into prospective.
 
AZ Jim said:
Oh come on. You need not play the victim here. Your opinion about our expenditure to protect the Pope is no more your business than mine about the cost of supporting the monarchy in your country. Let's just be realistic here. Your opinion on this board is as good as the next guys but you need to put things into prospective.
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O.K. Jim.
Understood.
I don't agree with the bold bit in your post, as I would have no objection at all to Americans having a say on our Monarchy.
I have some financial questions about some of them as well. Particularly Air Miles Andy! :mad:

I have opinions about what is going on in other countries. Financial or not.

Anyway Jim. Come on.
Friends forever?
Lets have a hug!
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