The Kyle Rittenhouse Trial: What Will Be the Outcome?

squatting dog said:
Missing the point obviously. If you were to say try to run somebody over with your car, but missed... would that be attempted murder? Aiming a gun at someone whether you pull the trigger or not would get you an attempted murder charge in the real world.
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I 'm talking Attempt by criminal definition, not what one would think it is. Wisconsin statutes define it, but can't paste right now.
 

This kid should have been home in bed.

Very sad that this impressionable young man bought into this form of vigilantism.

I think that he will be found guilty and the judge will use the sentence to send a message to those with a similar mindset.

Tragic situation for all involved.
 
Wisconsin statutes 939.32: (3)

Case law citations/definition of what constitutes the crime of ATTEMPT. If someone wants to read of copy and paste here.
 

He will be acquitted of most (if not all) charges.
The only crime that can be proved was underage possession of a firearm. That's a minor offense.
As for shooting 3 people, one of them - that moron Gaige Grosskreutz is lucky he's still breathing. When you point a gun at someone, they have the right to defend themselves with whatever means they have. And, Mr. Grosskreutz was illegally carrying a concealed handgun without a concealed carry permit. He will be reminded of his stupidity every time he tries to use his right arm.
A for the other 2 idiots, if someone hit me in the head with a skateboard (or any object capable of causing harm), or kicked me in the head, I'd have done the same thing.
 
win231 said:

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He will be acquitted of most (if not all) charges.
The only crime that can be proved was underage possession of a firearm. That's a minor offense.
As for shooting 3 people, one of them - that moron Gaige Grosskreutz is lucky he's still breathing. When you point a gun at someone, they have the right to defend themselves with whatever means they have. And, Mr. Grosskreutz was illegally carrying a concealed handgun without a concealed carry permit. He will be reminded of his stupidity every time he tries to use his right arm.
A for the other 2 idiots, if someone hit me in the head with a skateboard (or any object capable of causing harm), or kicked me in the head, I'd have done the same thing.
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It sounds like you support Rittenhouse's actions,is that correct? No sympathy whatsoever for the victims of Rittenhouse, who were trying to stop the [attempted] murder spree of an active shooter?
 
Rittenhouse is being tried for several crimes...

He's charged with killing Joseph Rosenbaum. This is my understanding of what happened in that crime.
  1. Somebody else fired a handgun. I don't think it's known who that was.
  2. Rosenbaum went chasing after Rittenhouse. Did Rosenbaum think Rittenhouse fired the shot?
  3. Rosenbaum was unarmed but was shouting obesities at Rittenhouse. He threw a bag of medical supplies at Rittenhouse and grabbed the gun barrel.
  4. Rittenhouse may have assumed it was Rosenbaum who fired the shot and thus, in self-defense, shot Rosenbaum.
  5. Obviously, had Rittenhouse not been brandishing his illegally obtained and carried assault-style rifle, Rosenbaum wouldn't have gone after him.
  6. Rosenbaum was a perceived threat to Rittenhouse but not an actual threat. I don't know what the standard is for self-defense in Wisconsin. Does the threat need to be real or simply perceived?
  7. In traffic accidents, if one of the drivers involved was driving without a valid drivers license, I believe that person is automatically at fault since he or she shouldn't have been behind the wheel in the first place, providing, of course, that the other driver was driving legally. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong. So if that's the case, if someone who is illegally carrying a gun, uses that gun in a shooting and kills someone, is he or she automatically in the wrong, even if it's in an act of self-defense?
Next!

He's charged with killing Anthony Huber.
  1. Huber chased after Rittenhouse after Rittenhouse killed Rosenbaum.
  2. Huber was unarmed and was probably trying to prevent anyone else from being shot by Rittenhouse. With all the mass shootings we've seen by people with assault-style rifles, that was a pretty heroic thing to do.
  3. Rittenhouse felt threatened as he was surrounded by people trying to get his weapon. That's the part where he broke down on the witness stand and cried uncontrollably when recalling the event.
He's charged with shooting and injuring Gaige Grosskreutz
  1. Grosskreutz was armed with a pistol, which he pointed at Rittenhouse but never fired. Rittenhouse was on the ground at the time.
  2. Did Grosskreutz tell Rittenhouse to "drop your weapon" or anything like that. Grosskreutz ran up to Rittenhouse, probably in an attempt to disarm Rittenhouse and prevent another shooting.
  3. Rittenhouse shot Grosskreutz but not fatally.
  4. Is that self-defense? Again, Rittenhouse may have perceived Grosskreutz to be a threat, but not in actuality.
There are other charges... illegally obtaining and brandishing a weapon and a few other misdemeanors. I'm not sure at this point how I'd decide as a juror. I'll need to learn more about the laws in Wisconsin and get some more details on the case.

In the sentencing phase, a few things are clear... Rittenhouse has shown absolutely no remorse for killing two men and injuring another. He was wearing a t-shirt with the words "FREE AS F*CK" on it a few weeks after the shootings. He attended a white supremacist meeting afterwards and flashed white supremacist hand signs.

In all likelihood, Rittenhouse is a sociopath. How can you kill another human being and not be affected by it? That a sure sign of sociopathy.

We shall see if the judge factors those things into his sentencing.
 
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Don M. said:
It appears that Wisconsin has put 500 members of the National Guard on Standby, in case the judge/jury doesn't hand down a severe sentence. I guess Wisconsin is gearing up for riots and protests.
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I don't think there will be much fallout if Rittenhouse goes free since the people he killed were White. That pretty much takes the race card out of it.
 
Don M. said:
It appears that Wisconsin has put 500 members of the National Guard on Standby, in case the judge/jury doesn't hand down a severe sentence. I guess Wisconsin is gearing up for riots and protests.
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No point commenting on the case, as just about all has been said.

But ;

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Don M. said:
It appears that Wisconsin has put 500 members of the National Guard on Standby, in case the judge/jury doesn't hand down a severe sentence. I guess Wisconsin is gearing up for riots and protests.
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Don M. said:
It appears that Wisconsin has put 500 members of the National Guard on Standby, in case the judge/jury doesn't hand down a severe sentence. I guess Wisconsin is gearing up for riots and protests.
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IMO this is the real tragedy of it all. The fact that certain segments of our society just cannot come to terms with the justice system, and what it deals out. They just must be heard, have their way , or riot when they do not get it.
 
hollydolly said:
The concern will be if he is shown leniency how is that going to prevent other potential murders in the name of defence carried out by under 18 year old illiterates... ( rhetorical question ) I'm sure the prisons are full of illiterate murderers.. why would this young man be any different to them..

That boy knew exactly what he was doing when he took that full loaded gun to a another state to join a protest..IMO...
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Exactly! And the Proud Boy wannabe met up with them after the murders and he wasn't blubbering then, seemed very smug and proud. He wanted to play with his new toy, and two people are no longer breathing because of it. I would like to see him charged with murder, but that won't happen. What he did can be seen as self defense, but the little brat shouldn't have been there at all, and he wouldn't have to worry about defending himself. Very much like Zimmerman, took his gun and put himself in a position he had no business being in, the cops even told him to stand back. He murdered a man for no reason at all, then the killer cries self defense. I have zero tolerance for these types.
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-...t-on-bail-drinking-with-members-of-proud-boys




Kyle Rittenhouse, the 18-year-old who has been charged with fatally shooting two protesters during a protest in Wisconsin, was seen drinking with members of the far-right Proud Boys group while flashing a gesture equated with white supramecist movements, according to prosecutors.
The Washington Post reported that Rittenhouse was seen by state prosecutors at a bar where the 18-year-old was wearing a shirt that read "Free as f---" and socializing with known members of the group.
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Nathan said:
It sounds like you support Rittenhouse's actions,is that correct? No sympathy whatsoever for the victims of Rittenhouse, who were trying to stop the [attempted] murder spree of an active shooter?
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You are confused. Rittenhouse was not shooting until he was assaulted by 3 morons.
Would you criticize a police officer who shot someone who pointed a gun at him? Please tell us how much sympathy you would have for a cop's victim in that situation.
Or clubbed him in the head with a skateboard?
 
Sassycakes said:
I am very happy I am not on the jury, In my opinion, he is guilty. I have no respect for the Judge and his treatment of the Prosecuting Attorney.
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There were 2 court/law violations committed by the prosecutor. 1. He attempted/succeeded to introduce evidence which was already ruled on by the judge as inadmissable.

2. He made reference to the fact of Kyle not taking the stand implied guilt or something along that legal point. Clearly a Constitutional violation.
 
SeaBreeze said:
Exactly! And the Proud Boy wannabe met up with them after the murders and he wasn't blubbering then, seemed very smug and proud. He wanted to play with his new toy, and two people are no longer breathing because of it. I would like to see him charged with murder, but that won't happen. What he did can be seen as self defense, but the little brat shouldn't have been there at all, and he wouldn't have to worry about defending himself. Very much like Zimmerman, took his gun and put himself in a position he had no business being in, the cops even told him to stand back. He murdered a man for no reason at all, then the killer cries self defense. I have zero tolerance for these types.
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-...t-on-bail-drinking-with-members-of-proud-boys
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You are 100% correct - about both Rittenhouse and Zimmerman. Neither one of them should have put themselves in that situation. Both had a need to look like "Heroes" & "Protectors." Both are stupid.
But, after that fact, both acted in self defense - which is why one was already acquitted & the other will likely be acquitted - except for underage possession of a firearm.
 
mrstime said:
I don't know what the verdict will be but I do know that judge needs to be removed from the bench!
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I strongly agree. At one point in an argument about whether something had been excluded from entry by a previous written order or the court, after a previous pre-trial hearing on the matter, the judge, after looking at the order, said he may have signed it but that didn't mean he had read it. Which is just CRAZY! Then he said something to the effect that if he had signed it that wasn't what he understood the order to mean, even tho the order was clear on its face what it meant and referred to. It's the judge's JOB to read and understand what he is signing and to be sure it conveys clearly what he is ordering. Anyway the judge waffled and finally allowed in the evidence or testimony or whatever it was that he had previously excluded by his own order.

He's also gone off on at least one religious rant, which is inappropriate as all get-out.
 

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