The latest mass shooting

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Notice, we have had so many lately....we no longer even mention them.......

RIP & condolences to those effected.

Thank you to the police the ended the attack.
 

There seems to be no word, yet, as to what might have set this latest shooter off. It seems that more and more people are "losing" it, and turning to gun violence to justify whatever is bothering them. Combinations of Stress and Mental issues, etc., seem to be the root causes of why these people decide to attack others as a means of satisfying their own problems. I see no easy solutions to prevent these events in the future.
 
Another mass shooting. How does this go again? Oh, yeah, something about "our thought and prayers". Then there something about "brave... running into danger". Now, all we have to do is wait few hours and we can do this all over again. It's obvious that for well over 20 years, we are quite comfortable having mass shootings with our morning coffee. We don't really do anything about it. And it's about America's love of an inanimate hunk of plastic and metal, which allows the deranged to pick us off any time, any place.
 

It bothers me because it could happen to any of us anywhere. This is deeply concerning. There are some deterrents that could be implemented.
 
According to most comments from the NRA and their soldiers, it's all a case of mental health and we're all safer if we carry weapons with high capacity magazines (as most aren't skilled killers, the high capacity magazines are needed). Of course it does help that weapons such as these are fairly pricey and profitable for the sellers.

But back to the mental health epidemic that is sweeping the country, similar to the measles outbreak. if we could take all of these mentally challenged folks and ship them to, say, Australia, I'm sure that almost overnight their problems would clear up. It must be the climate as people from that country, compared to the U.S., suffer almost no mental problems that cause them to go on killing rampages.

And, please, no talk about a lack of firearms among their population. We've been told emphatically, by the NRA and some political leaders that access to firearms is NOT even part of the problem.
 
fuzzybuddy said:
Another mass shooting. How does this go again? Oh, yeah, something about "our thought and prayers". Then there something about "brave... running into danger". Now, all we have to do is wait few hours and we can do this all over again. It's obvious that for well over 20 years, we are quite comfortable having mass shootings with our morning coffee. We don't really do anything about it. And it's about America's love of an inanimate hunk of plastic and metal, which allows the deranged to pick us off any time, any place.
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What stopped the attack? An inanimate hunk of plastic and metal. (the only thing that could)
 
Waterboard them every day for a few days. Give 'em something to think a bout.

What do you think of "Waterboarding" as a means of getting to the truth ?
 
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Most everything that I have read and continue to read is that it’s too late to disarm America. Having better gun registration enforcement, especially on transfers, is another glitch in the system that would probably be a waste of time.

I certainly don’t have the answer on how to prevent these catastrophic events from happening, but I wish some genius would come up with a great idea or two.

Until then, I don’t plan on leaving home without protection.
 
911 said:
Most everything that I have read and continue to read is that it’s too late to disarm America. Having better gun registration enforcement, especially on transfers, is another glitch in the system that would probably be a waste of time.

I certainly don’t have the answer on how to prevent these catastrophic events for happening, but I wish some genius would come up with a great idea or two.

Until then, I don’t plan on leaving home without protection.
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That sums it up. The reality is, there will always be evil in the human species. Once that is acknowledged the only concern is how to minimize it. It's sorta amusing how the same people who say, "Thank God for the police officers who stopped the attack" are frequently the ones who say "Guns are to blame." They are living in a fantasy world of their own making.
Uh....I hate to break it to them, but police stopped the attack with their guns.
 
If guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns.

Yeah, I know. It's a cliche. But it's also true.

And that's just what you had here. The shooting occurred in a Municipal building which I have no doubt was a "gun free zone". Insuring that everyone in that building was a sitting duck for the shooter.

When I first went to work for the Florida Department of Transportation is was no big deal to bring a gun to work. If someone got a new gun, they brought it in to show it to their co-workers. Or if you had one for sale you just put an ad up on the bulletin board and if anyone was interested you just brought it in so they could look at it. No big deal. I'll bet well over half the vehicles in the employee parking lot had guns in them.

Then along came the post office shootings in the 80's and 90's and before you knew it we had to have "Violence in the workplace" training and bringing a gun to work became a firing offense. (no pun intended). Then, after 0/11 they hired this armed Wackenhut guard named Wally to sit in the lobby with his .38 revolver. You should have seen this dude. He was older than dirt and reminded me of some of that character Tim Conway played on the Carol Burnett show. He was supposed to protect us. :rolleyes:

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They even told us that we couldn't have a gun in our vehicle out in the parking lot. Well to Hell with that. I always had a gun in my vehicle. So did many of my co-workers. But we didn't advertise the fact. We used to refer to it as our "Don't ask, don't tell" policy. :cool:


 
squatting dog said:
Nope. sorry. It wasn't the inanimate hunk of plastic and metal that started the attack... It was an obviously unstable person who started the attack.
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If this is the logic then in reality it would also conclude that the United States has more unstable people with mental disorders who have free access to guns.

If this IS the case then wouldn’t restricting access to these guns be a solution?

Other countries have mentally ill people but have stricter gun laws. Is it mere coincidence that mass shootings are far less?

Of course not. What I don’t understand is that the rest of the world seems to clearly understand this except for the people living in the United States. For some reason they aggressively disbelief this obvious conclusion.

Plus the second amendment was written back when muskets were used with gun powder. Even if a person decided they were going to shoot someone they had far more time to think it through. Gun power had to be packed etc.

Now there are automatic weapons where hundreds of rounds of bullets can be shot in a fraction of the time it once took to load a musket.

There is plenty of documentation and polls proving this to be true. The only people who don’t believe it are the people living in the United States. It’s extremely sad.
 
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Has anyone ever worked with a person they felt "uneasy" about? I did many decdes ago. I always worried he was going to explode at any second.
 
win231 said:
That sums it up. The reality is, there will always be evil in the human species. Once that is acknowledged the only concern is how to minimize it. It's sorta amusing how the same people who say, "Thank God for the police officers who stopped the attack" are frequently the ones who say "Guns are to blame." They are living in a fantasy world of their own making.
Uh....I hate to break it to them, but police stopped the attack with their guns.
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Exactly, again....as i agree here.
 
fmdog44 said:
Has anyone ever worked with a person they felt "uneasy" about? I did many decdes ago. I always worried he was going to explode at any second.
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I have. But in this case, reportedly nobody who worked with him saw anything amiss or saw any conflicts or problems. He had just resigned from the job "for personal reasons," but there was no indication of hard feelings.

I just do not understand why, when people snap nowdays they decide to kill. In the "olden days" you just went out and got really drunk and maybe got in a barfight or something.

I can even sort of understand (but not condone, of course) somebody getting so angry at a particular person that they wanted to kill that person -- but everybody in sight? I just don't get it.

Is it the increasing isolation and loss of feelings of community that some of us feel, or the lack of traditional support systems like extended family to talk someone off the ledge, or loss of socioeconomic safety nets? Or sitting on the internet reading stuff that inflames hatred or anger or feelings of desperation?
 
Most everything that I have read and continue to read is that it’s too late to disarm America. Having better gun registration enforcement, especially on transfers, is another glitch in the system that would probably be a waste of time.
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So, what do we do? Just throw in the towel and allow the U.S. to continue as the only (supposedly) civilized country in the world where anybody can legally buy a semi-automatic weapon, for any reason, or without any reason at all except that he's nuts. and go into a crowded place and start shooting randomly?

It's never "too late" to put an end to this ridiculous death hold the NRA has on this country. It is too late to bring back all the innocent souls who have died, but at least we can prevent more of these mass shootings. Or at least, cut out some of them.

The NRA cannot win this; too much is at stake.
 
Other than killing, what other purpose is a gun used? It is a killing machine. Period. It's asinine to allow guns into the hands of people, who should not be given the power of life/death. It also asinine to allow a fixation on weapons to out weigh the rights of all citizens to be free from gun violence.
 
Keesha said:
If this is the logic then in reality it would also conclude that the United States has more unstable people with mental disorders who have free access to guns.

If this IS the case then wouldn’t restricting access to these guns be a solution?

Other countries have mentally ill people but have stricter gun laws. Is it mere coincidence that mass shootings are far less?

Of course not. What I don’t understand is that the rest of the world seems to clearly understand this except for the people living in the United States. For some reason they aggressively disbelief this obvious conclusion.

Plus the second amendment was written back when muskets were used with gun powder. Even if a person decided they were going to shoot someone they had far more time to think it through. Gun power had to be packed etc.

Now there are automatic weapons where hundreds of rounds of bullets can be shot in a fraction of the time it once took to load a musket.

There is plenty of documentation and polls proving this to be true. The only people who don’t believe it are the people living in the United States. It’s extremely sad.
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Yes, there are mentally-unstable people who have access to guns. There are also criminals who have access to guns. There are (obviously) terrorists who have access to guns & explosives. And our own Tim McVeigh learned (in our military) how to make a bomb out of diesel fuel & fertilizer & he killed 185 people in less than one second - more than any firearm could ever do.

That's the reality (as you noted). Anyone who wants something they're not legally allowed to have, can get it illegally. A Black Market develops for anything that is illegal - like alcohol during prohibition & cocaine & meth today. Guns & drugs are sold on the street - NO waiting period, NO I.D., No registration & NO background check (like the ones I paid for & passed for every gun I own). Making something illegal doesn't prevent someone from getting it; it just means they can't walk into a store & get it legally (like I can). Gang members who do drive-by shootings can't legally own guns due to their criminal records. Does that prevent them from getting guns?
Drunk driving is illegal. That didn't save Princess Dianna or Ted Kennedy's 19-year-old mistress.

Personally, I'm not concerned with the Second Amendment. I'm concerned with my safety & the safety of my loved ones. The fact that what you say is true, is exactly why I own guns; I know that people who shouldn't have guns have access to guns & I choose not to be defenseless. I didn't create our screwed-up world, but I do have to live in it.
 
All of the horrible things that are happening, these days, were predicted by the Rat Cage experiments of the late 50's, early 60's: Our species has bred, unconscionably, all over this planet, and we are now reaping what we have sowed. Things will only get worse, in the future, guaranteed. Think about that, the next time you get ready to congratulate somebody who boasts about his/her 8th (to infinity) grandchild. That person (and/or his/her immediate offspring) is, very much, part of the problem.
 
fuzzybuddy said:
Other than killing, what other purpose is a gun used? It is a killing machine. Period. It's asinine to allow guns into the hands of people, who should not be given the power of life/death. It also asinine to allow a fixation on weapons to out weigh the rights of all citizens to be free from gun violence.
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Really? Why call the cops when a psycho breaks in to our home? We call the cops because they have guns. But they take too long to get there so we shoot the psycho ourselves. Why not look up how many illegal firearms enter this country every year?
 
Butterfly said:
I have. But in this case, reportedly nobody who worked with him saw anything amiss or saw any conflicts or problems. He had just resigned from the job "for personal reasons," but there was no indication of hard feelings.

I just do not understand why, when people snap nowdays they decide to kill. In the "olden days" you just went out and got really drunk and maybe got in a barfight or something.

I can even sort of understand (but not condone, of course) somebody getting so angry at a particular person that they wanted to kill that person -- but everybody in sight? I just don't get it.

Is it the increasing isolation and loss of feelings of community that some of us feel, or the lack of traditional support systems like extended family to talk someone off the ledge, or loss of socioeconomic safety nets? Or sitting on the internet reading stuff that inflames hatred or anger or feelings of desperation?
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Yes. People feel disenfranchised these days.
 

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