The wedding cake issue again

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Butterfly said:
Actually, Colorado law says it is NOT his choice if he is running a public business.
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As several folks and I have said, it is quite easy to "mess up" an order. Ever so slightly, miss-spell wording on the cake, wrong color of frosting, wrong flavor, pick-up/delivery times wrong, wrong type of decorations, etc etc.
When the homosexual couple complain about it they would have an impossible task to prove discrimination. The cake was, after all, made and delivered.
 

Butterfly said:
Absolutely, Aunt Bea, and that is exactly the way the law views it. If a business sets itself up as offering services to the public, it must offer the same services to ALL the public, not just selected groups. Just like a business cannot say only white people can sit at its lunch counter or rent apartments or anything else.
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All the public? If a Nazi sympathy group wants a cake I have to do it?

The baker has turned down others.

He said he has refused to make cakes with a Halloween theme because it involves witchcraft as well as cakes with an anti-American theme. He avoids any promotion of alcohol. Once, he said, he turned away a man who wanted to celebrate his impending divorce with half of a cake, because the idea was hurtful to the woman who was being divorced.
 
Traveler said:
As several folks and I have said, it is quite easy to "mess up" an order. Ever so slightly, miss-spell wording on the cake, wrong color of frosting, wrong flavor, pick-up/delivery times wrong, wrong type of decorations, etc etc.
When the homosexual couple complain about it they would have an impossible task to prove discrimination. The cake was, after all, made and delivered.
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That wouldn't work because that would be obvious discrimination.
 
Camper6 said:
All the public? If a Nazi sympathy group wants a cake I have to do it?

The baker has turned down others.

He said he has refused to make cakes with a Halloween theme because it involves witchcraft as well as cakes with an anti-American theme. He avoids any promotion of alcohol. Once, he said, he turned away a man who wanted to celebrate his impending divorce with half of a cake, because the idea was hurtful to the woman who was being divorced.
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Halloween, witchcraft, anti-American themes, alcohol, being mean to a spouse are not protected classes in Colorado.
 
Traveler said:
As several folks and I have said, it is quite easy to "mess up" an order. Ever so slightly, miss-spell wording on the cake, wrong color of frosting, wrong flavor, pick-up/delivery times wrong, wrong type of decorations, etc etc.
When the homosexual couple complain about it they would have an impossible task to prove discrimination. The cake was, after all, made and delivered.
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Camper6 said:
That wouldn't work because that would be obvious discrimination.
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I'm not so sure abut that. Subtiety is key
 
Just curious. Where does the insanity end ? Would the baker be forced to decorate the cake in a homosexual theme ?

Don't think it can't happen. The world gets weirder every day.
 
I'm wondering the same thing.

Does a tow truck operator get to refuse a tow if he sees a gay bumper sticker on a car?

Does the kid at the gas station have the right to refuse to turn on the pumps for a Catholic priest?
 
OK, lets say it is my birthday, and my husband wants to order me a cake with rainbows all over it because I like rainbows. Would he be refused service because of the rainbows? If the couple did not SAY it was a wedding cake, would the guy have made it?

This is nuts.
 
Aunt Bea said:
I'm wondering the same thing.

Does a tow truck operator get to refuse a tow if he sees a gay bumper sticker on a car?

Does the kid at the gas station have the right to refuse to turn on the pumps for a Catholic priest?
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Operator / Owner?....should be able to do as {HE} pleases..Employee of the operator / owner?...maybe not........same with the gas station.
 
Olivia said:
Explain, please.
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The Colorado interpretation refused to recognize the religious obligation that the baker espoused and based his objections on.

He refused on religious principles and the Colorado Civil Rights group refused to accept that.

But that's the Constitution of the United States talking and that's how the Supreme Court ruled.

The way I read it the CCR refused to even consider the religious objection in the case.
 
Marie5656 said:
OK, lets say it is my birthday, and my husband wants to order me a cake with rainbows all over it because I like rainbows. Would he be refused service because of the rainbows? If the couple did not SAY it was a wedding cake, would the guy have made it?

This is nuts.
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That's a horse of another color. Rainbows belong to everyone in the world viewing them. They don't belong to any one special group. Don't get carried away.
 
Olivia said:
Halloween, witchcraft, anti-American themes, alcohol, being mean to a spouse are not protected classes in Colorado.
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I know that. But it shows how far an individual can go in refusing to create a work of art such as a cake to celebrate something.
If it's against his principles, it's within his rights to refuse to go along with it.

I'm with him on Halloween. I hate Halloween. Trick or treat is blackmail. I mean go out and have fun all you like but don't tell me I have to enjoy it.
It started out as a religious event.
I'm with him on anti-American themes. No one should be forced to denigrate their country.
 
Camper6 said:
That's a horse of another color. Rainbows belong to everyone in the world viewing them. They don't belong to any one special group. Don't get carried away.
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Very true. Most importantly, there are no moral issues with rainbows as there are with baking a wedding cake for homosexuals.

Once upon a time, in the not too distant past, weddings were a sacred rite. Since the advent of legalized homosexual "marriages", the term marriage has no meaning. Today, when someone refers to his "wife" , or a woman refers to her "husband" we have no idea which gender they are speaking of. Thanks to the Cultural Marxists it could be ANY gender.
 
Traveler said:
Very true. Most importantly, there are no moral issues with rainbows as there are with baking a wedding cake for homosexuals.

Once upon a time, in the not too distant past, weddings were a sacred rite. Since the advent of legalized homosexual "marriages", the term marriage has no meaning. Today, when someone refers to his "wife" , or a woman refers to her "husband" we have no idea which gender they are speaking of. Thanks to the Cultural Marxists it could be ANY gender.
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When a guy refers to his husband, that would be a male. When a guy refers to his wife, that's a female. When women refers to her husband, that's a male. When a woman refers to her wife, that's a female. I hope that helps.
 
Olivia said:
When a guy refers to his husband, that would be a male. When a guy refers to his wife, that's a female. When women refers to her husband, that's a male. When a woman refers to her wife, that's a female. I hope that helps.
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So with two guys there are two husbands? They both refer to their husband don't they.

So revise your explanation because it's not simple.
 
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