The wedding cake issue again

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Traveler said:
Once upon a time, in the not too distant past, weddings were a sacred rite. Since the advent of legalized homosexual "marriages", the term marriage has no meaning. Today, when someone refers to his "wife" , or a woman refers to her "husband" we have no idea which gender they are speaking of. Thanks to the Cultural Marxists it could be ANY gender.
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Traveler, if I am mis reading your point, please tell me. But, among my married gay and lesbian friends, the men refer to each other as "husband" and the women refer to each other as "wife". Again, If I misunderstood your point, sorry.
 
Camper6 said:
So with two guys there are two husbands? They both refer to their husband don't they.

So revise your explanation because it's not simple.
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Yes, with two guys, there are two husbands. And with two women there are two wives. Pretty simple actually.
 
Camper6 said:
So. No wife and two husbands? See that's were the difference lies in the age old definition of marriage.
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Yes, so true. In the case of Ellen DeGeneres, she claims she is the "husband" . Now, if her "wife" was speaking she might refer to Ellen as her "husband". In which case we wouldn't have a clue if the husband was male or female.

Welcome to the wacko 21st century.
 
Keesha said:
Surely Camper, this isn’t news to you? This has been going on for a while now. Are you genuinely surprised or just resistant to the idea?
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Did you just wake up. I'm an old guy traditionalist.. It's fairly new for me and hasn't been going on for awhile. Resistant? No. Just uncomfortable. " Do you take this man to be your husband" Or "do you take this wallet?" A lot of it is financial. You can get company benefits.
 
Camper6 said:
Did you just wake up. I'm an old guy traditionalist.. It's fairly new for me and hasn't been going on for awhile. Resistant? No. Just uncomfortable. " Do you take this man to be your husband" Or "do you take this wallet?" A lot of it is financial. You can get company benefits.
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Ok I understand. It’s ok to be an old time traditionalist. I respect that. I think it makes a lot of people uncomfortable, especially men. You’re certainly not alone.
 
Aunt Bea said:
I bet that you are just as glad that you don't live in my world as I am that I don't live in yours!!!:playful:
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I don't know what your world is...and not sure i even want to.

But in my world equal rights have nothing to do with forcing participation in any thing from any one.
 
I think that's it in a nutshell fo men as compared to women from what I read here.

The men seem to favor individuals rights as compared to equality for all.

i think women have felt left out of politics and management for years.
 
I am not going to give my views on homosexuality but when they have the Pride Parade in Brighton ( Britain's Gay capital) Fire engines and high pressure hoses come to mind.
 
justfred said:
I am not going to give my views on homosexuality but when they have the Pride Parade in Brighton ( Britain's Gay capital) Fire engines and high pressure hoses come to mind.
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What???? I've never seen that happen!!

..and although Brighton has a high LGBT community it only has a population of around 230,000 people ...there are more LGBT communities in London and in Manchester..with a population of 8.1 Million...and Manchester in the north at over 1/2 million ...all 3 places are more well known for LGBT communities due to the annual LGBT Pride parades, but in fact there are many towns and cities in the UK with a high Gay community, none less than Northern Ireland..

I can't imagine all those people being power hosed for celebrating their sexuality in 2017 UK...this isn't the 1950's..nor is it a backward radical religious country
 
It's not about homosexuality.

Most states constitutions define freedom of religion as freedom for long established religious communities. I would think that means protection. Through the years some practices are no longer protected like polygamy. In this case is the baker protected from designing an artisan cake to be used in a ceremony he objects to based on his religious beliefs?

Gay rights are new to this country. Gay marriage is legal in many states. No one is telling the couple they can't marry. They are now protected.
Will their lawsuit take that protection away from the baker? Not now.
Is the discrimination by the baker the same as discrimination based on race, gender, or others that as a whole we protect against in this country?
 
Well it is about homosexuality...it's about the Baker's religious beliefs against promoting the message of homosexuality...

He's willing to bake a cake and sell to any gay couple. that's not the problem, the problem for HIM, was that he was asked to make a cake by a Gay activist couple to promote Homosexuality ( I've seen the cake and it kinda does, but annoyingly I can't find it now)... and he wasn't prepared to compromise his religious beliefs to do that...in the same way he won't promote or bake cakes for Halloween or anything that goes against his own Christian beliefs!!

Now I'm not saying that was a right or a wrong thing for him to do...I'm just saying it is about homosexuality in this instance...if it would have been Halloween it would have been about that..etc!!

BTW do you all realise this cake was actually ordered and finally baked by another baker waaaay back in 2012??
 

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