Thoughts and prayers for Boulder, Colorado.

One just never knows. Walk into a grocery store, Walmart and a shooter shows up. Could happen to anyone. And it never should.

How did this guy buy that gun? And family members stating they knew he had a gun and also deep mental issues. And did nothing?
 

I don't think Remy meant the "how" to be taken literally, holly. I think the question really meant, "How could this clearly disturbed individual be permitted to "play" with guns with only a mild reprimand from his family, and then sold an assault weapon?

There is legislation being introduced to forbid the sale of military-grade weaponry to civilians. It's about time.
 
Sunny said:
I don't think Remy meant the "how" to be taken literally, holly. I think the question really meant, "How could this clearly disturbed individual be permitted to "play" with guns with only a mild reprimand from his family, and then sold an assault weapon?

There is legislation being introduced to forbid the sale of military-grade weaponry to civilians. It's about time.
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Oh I see, thanks for the clarification Sunny...
 
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The Justice Department recently released a report that once again confirms a long-running statistic regarding firearms and crime. The DOJ’s Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) reports that in 2016, some 287,400 individuals were imprisoned for committing crimes while in possession of a firearm and 90% of those firearms were obtained illegally. The report further notes, “More than half (56%) had either stolen it (6%), found it at the scene of the crime (7%), or obtained it off the street or from the underground market (43%). Most of the remainder (25%) had obtained it from a family member or friend, or as a gift.”

Significantly, Guns.com notes, “When it came to retail sources such as gun shows, flea markets, firearm stores, and pawn shops, only about 10 percent said they were able to obtain their weapons from such outlets through purchases or trades. Of those, the majority reported that a background check was conducted as part of the sale, although in many cases they did not purchase it under their own name.” And in fact “only about 1 percent of prisoners who used a firearm during their crime had obtained it through a retail sale.”
 
Murrmurr said:
I'll add that, at least in some states, if one is given a gun as a gift, only the purchaser (gift-giver) would have gone through that process.
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In CA, doesn’t a hand gun have to be registered to the owner? The recipient would need to have to go through that process when they registered it, right?
 
Jules said:
In CA, doesn’t a hand gun have to be registered to the owner? The recipient would need to have to go through that process when they registered it, right?
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No, but you're encouraged to take the gun safety course and you get a certificate for that. I have 2 handguns that were gifts, and have a firearms safety cert for both. I also keep all my paperwork for firearms practice and proficiency.
 
Murrmurr said:
No, but you're encouraged to take the gun safety course and you get a certificate for that. I have 2 handguns that were gifts, and have a firearms safety cert for both. I also keep all my paperwork for firearms practice and proficiency.
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It's my understanding that you don't *have* to register a gifted firearm (or firearms you've inherited). It's a good idea if you plan to use it regularly, such as during hunting season, but re-registering it is a huge hassle.
 
Every time there is one of these gun related tragedies, people demand change, and the politicians promise new legislation. Then, after a couple of weeks, all this concern seems to fade away. Banning certain types of firearms, and/or creating extensive background checks would hardly put a dent in these mass shootings. Besides, no matter what laws might be created, Only those who are law abiding would comply...the nutcases and criminals would still commit their crimes. There are millions of stolen or unregistered firearms out there, and finding/confiscating them would be nearly impossible. Frankly, with all the "inconveniences" created by this pandemic, I'm surprised that more of these lunatics haven't gone over the edge.

I suppose the government could try to make gun ownership illegal, and try to confiscate firearms, that would probably lead to mass chaos, as millions of gun owners rebelled. And, there again, any attempt by the government to "buy" peoples firearms would only be honored by a portion of the honest gun owners. Perhaps, the US could look at how Switzerland handles the firearms issue, and learn from that nations experience.

IMO, the Only way to slow down these types of events would be for the majority of honest people to get a CCW permit, and/or allow stores and public gatherings to allow "open carry". If these thugs knew they might face a half dozen armed people when they decide to go nuts, maybe they might think twice.....after all, when Danger is just Seconds away, the Police are just Minutes away. People "fear" a return to the days of the Wild West, when nearly everyone had a pistol on their hip. However, most of the gun violence that "occurred" back then can likely be attributed to Hollywood Movie Imagination....I suspect most people back then behaved themselves, knowing that anyone they tried to attack might shoot them first.
 
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Don M. said:
Every time there is one of these gun related tragedies, people demand change, and the politicians promise new legislation. Then, after a couple of weeks, all this concern seems to fade away. Banning certain types of firearms, and/or creating extensive background checks would hardly put a dent in these mass shootings. Besides, no matter what laws might be created, Only those who are law abiding would comply...the nutcases and criminals would still commit their crimes. There are millions of stolen or unregistered firearms out there, and finding/confiscating them would be nearly impossible. Frankly, with all the "inconveniences" created by this pandemic, I'm surprised that more of these lunatics haven't gone over the edge.

I suppose the government could try to make gun ownership illegal, and try to confiscate firearms, that would probably lead to mass chaos, as millions of gun owners rebelled. And, there again, any attempt by the government to "buy" peoples firearms would only be honored by a portion of the honest gun owners. Perhaps, the US could look at how Switzerland handles the firearms issue, and learn from that nations experience.

IMO, the Only way to slow down these types of events would be for the majority of honest people to get a CCW permit, and/or allow stores and public gatherings to allow "open carry". If these thugs knew they might face a half dozen armed people when they decide to go nuts, maybe they might think twice.....after all, when Danger is just Seconds away, the Police are just Minutes away. People "fear" a return to the days of the Wild West, when nearly everyone had a pistol on their hip. However, most of the gun violence that "occurred" back then can likely be attributed to Hollywood Movie Imagination....I suspect most people back then behaved themselves, knowing that anyone they tried to attack might shoot them first.
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Precisely.

IMO, the wisest things a gun owner can do is take the safety course and practice often, keep their primary weapons staged but inaccessible to anyone in the family who hasn't taken the course and had practice (and secure the rest), and then make sure that everyone in the family does take the course and does start regular practice as soon as they're old enough.
 
By far, the most deadly firearm is the AR-15 style rifle, which has been used in pretty much every mass shooting in the past twenty years, including the Boulder shooting, the Aurora theater shooting, the Sutherland Springs church shooting, and most of the school and workplace shootings. The AR-15 is the civilian version of the M16 military rifle, which has fully automatic capabilities while the AR-15 only has semi-automatic function, meaning it will only fire as fast as the shooter can pull the trigger unless equipped with a bump-stock or other device effectively makes it fully automatic. That's what was used by the Las Vegas shooter where 61 people died and over 800 injured.

What makes the AR-15 so deadly isn't the bullet caliber; it's the velocity at which the bullet strikes the victim, which just rips up the victims body. There are hunting rifles with the same capabilities, but they don't have the high capacity magazines, so they're not nearly as deadly.

Banning the AR-15 style rifles would definitely reduce the body count. It serves no use other than to kill people, since it's not used for hunting.
 
Murrmurr said:
Precisely.

IMO, the wisest things a gun owner can do is take the safety course and practice often, keep their primary weapons staged but inaccessible to anyone in the family who hasn't taken the course and had practice (and secure the rest), and then make sure that everyone in the family does take the course and does start regular practice as soon as they're old enough.
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Practicing strict muzzle discipline is always a good idea.
 
Irwin said:
By far, the most deadly firearm is the AR-15 style rifle, which has been used in pretty much every mass shooting in the past twenty years, including the Boulder shooting, the Aurora theater shooting, the Sutherland Springs church shooting, and most of the school and workplace shootings. The AR-15 is the civilian version of the M16 military rifle, which has fully automatic capabilities while the AR-15 only has semi-automatic function, meaning it will only fire as fast as the shooter can pull the trigger unless equipped with a bump-stock or other device effectively makes it fully automatic. That's what was used by the Las Vegas shooter where 61 people died and over 800 injured.

What makes the AR-15 so deadly isn't the bullet caliber; it's the velocity at which the bullet strikes the victim, which just rips up the victims body. There are hunting rifles with the same capabilities, but they don't have the high capacity magazines, so they're not nearly as deadly.

Banning the AR-15 style rifles would definitely reduce the body count. It serves no use other than to kill people, since it's not used for hunting.
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The most deadly firearm is the one in the hands of someone intent on killing.

Caliber , etc really do not matter. If their intent is to kill innocent victims ? then innocent victims will die.........
 
Warrigal said:
Doesn't sound to me that there is much appetite for gun legislation reforms.
Keep thinking and praying because that is all you've got to pin your hopes on. :cry:
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Yup, "Thoughts and Prayers" will do nothing to stop these endless murders. There are at least 400 million guns in the hands of our citizens, and nearly half the household own at least one firearm. It would take a miracle to substantially reduce the number of murders....especially given the number of people who are "mentally challenged", and the number of street/drug gang thugs who roam most of our cities.

In addition to the number of lunatics we have, all this recent "demeaning" of the police, and threats to defund/disband many police departments, has probably given the criminals and thugs even more courage to act....as many policemen are increasingly reluctant to do anything that might label them as being "racist" or using "excessive force".

If we still lived in the city, and I had to venture into all sorts of areas like I did when I was working....I would get a Concealed Carry permit, and never leave the house without a pistol.
 
Prayers for the violence to stop period!! For a few years now, when I go into an establishment, I scan for places I could hide in case a shooter comes in. We shouldn't have to think that way. Obviously this can happen anywhere, at anytime. Yet another horrible event. One of the things that scares me the most is there are more out there getting ready to copy this.
 

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