Trans-Pacific Partnership

Another problem or hitch(literally) to this legislation. A second bill to help American workers displaced by trade treaties was resoundly defeated because over half the house anyway took it for what it was-horse trading for the TPA/fast track. But now the administration wants a revote. Talking heads are saying by next Tue, less than a week from now.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...b6dce8-1073-11e5-a0dc-2b6f404ff5cf_story.html

Apparently they don't want amendments to the original bill? For appearance of clean legislation or across the board support?

This thing will not die. Let your friends, public and representatives that fast track or the TPA is a bad idea/bill as is a trade like the TPP among others. There is still time.
 

A big "sticking point" in this legislation seems to be the "Worker Assistance Package". To me, this sounds like a Open Admission that passing this TPP will most certainly result in large numbers of lost American jobs.
 
A big "sticking point" in this legislation seems to be the "Worker Assistance Package". To me, this sounds like a Open Admission that passing this TPP will most certainly result in large numbers of lost American jobs.

Exactly! And just like "The Patriot Act" using an emotional title they tried tacking on this US worker assistance hoping to guilt or shame into voting for it and thus fast track and the TPP.

"How can one be against the US worker"-I can almost guarantee you a year or two down the road in a campaign commercial someone's "no" vote will used against them with the opposition claiming they voted against the American worker.

And yes, it is absolutely an admission US workers will be displaced.
 

So here's how I understand it.. Last month the Senate passed 3 bills. One was fast track.. one was the TAA.. and one was some other thing that I don't remember.. ANYWAY... all three bills MUST be passed by the House as a group.. or NONE of them pass. SO.. today.. Fast track passed by a very narrow margin. The other thing passed.. HOWEVER the TAA failed 300+votes to 100+ votes.. therefore.. for now fast track is derailed... Despite the Prez on Capital Hill twisting arms..

NOW... on Monday or Tuesday.. Boehner is going to try one more time to get the TAA passed.. But Democrats are really pissed at Obama for his arm twisting.. It's really hard to believe that enough will switch their vote in order to pass TAA so fast track can go back to the Senate..

This is really interesting.. MASSIVE Corporate lobbying... Presidential support... Republican Support.. just ran into one pretty immovable object.. Grass Roots Democracy!!! It's a beautiful thing.

CALL your Representative and TELL them to hold the line!!
 
Thanks to fast track/TPA the TPP is that much closer to coming to fruition. But it still can be defeated with nea votes with no amendments or changes. The only good news is that the details will come out. But those pesky little things like details/words don't seem to matter anymore.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/...ific-Partnership-is-no-sure-deal?detail=hide#

It will be interesting to see how well our so called senate representatives react to being challenged on the details.
 
The Australians are saying the TPP will be a done deal sometime in August. That's the agreement but not approval in the US and hopefully other countries.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...next-month-australia/articleshow/48000261.cms

One month to let your representatives know your opinion. Be aware of procedural politics on this as well including sneaky or surprise votes or revotes shortly there after.

Just a reminder of the downsides of the TPP.

http://news.bitofnews.com/the-worst...-to-know-about-the-trans-pacific-partnership/
 
Danger alert

ALERT ALERT ALERT

It's back, the fine print is finished and negotiators approved the deal.

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/newsy/the-transpacific-partnership-is-almost-complete

Remember 'fast track' is in play it still must get a vote but there is no or limited debate and these deals are not open to amendments.

Short version every treaty like this the US Citizen loses some rights including the right to sue in the US court system with complaints against many of these participating companies & countries going to arbitrators or boards. International standards and regulations start superceding US or domestic standards & law in any participating country.

DANGER, there is still limited time to halt this and other "trade" deals
 
ALERT ALERT ALERT

Yup...One step closer to yet another "treaty" that insures that even more American jobs will be lost, and the profits of the Multi-National Corporations will be increased. But, then, why should we be surprised....after all, these same greedy corporations are the ones who "own" most of our politicians...on both sides of the aisle.
 
Apparently when this idea was mooted, the US was not included but asked to join in.
I reckon that out of all of the 12 countries involved, America will not come out of it worse than the others.

Foe what it's worth, Australians are very apprehensive about this treaty too, and about the deal we have struck with China.
 
ALERT ALERT ALERT

It's back, the fine print is finished and negotiators approved the deal.

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/newsy/the-transpacific-partnership-is-almost-complete

Remember 'fast track' is in play it still must get a vote but there is no or limited debate and these deals are not open to amendments.

Short version every treaty like this the US Citizen loses some rights including the right to sue in the US court system with complaints against many of these participating companies & countries going to arbitrators or boards. International standards and regulations start superceding US or domestic standards & law in any participating country.

DANGER, there is still limited time to halt this and other "trade" deals

If these deals can take away our legal and Constitutional rights, then why are we even discussing them? There should always be debates in our Congress before we accept anything.
 
The Australian government's perspective on the TPP.

Trans-Pacific Partnership: Ministers and negotiators lock in major TPP trade deal, Government hails 'giant foundation stone' for Australia

By political reporters James Glenday and Anna Henderson
Updated 56 minutes agoTue 6 Oct 2015, 12:47pm
Photo: Trade ministers from 12 nations meet in Atlanta for the TPP talks (Reuters)

Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull has hailed a new 12-country trade deal which covers 40 per cent of the global economy as a "gigantic foundation stone" for Australia.

The Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) was clinched in the US city of Atlanta overnight after days of marathon talks and could influence everything from the price of cheese to the cost of cancer treatments.

What's in it for Australia?


The Government says the TPP deal will eliminate 98 per cent of all tariffs on everything from food to manufactured goods, resources and energy.

Sugar: Access into US to increase from 107,000 tonnes to 207,421 tonnes. Could see exports to US climb above 400,000 tonnes by 2019/20

Beef: Deal liberalises exports to Japan, and eliminates tariffs into Mexico, Canada and Peru

Dairy: Japan tariffs will be eliminated on a range of cheeses covering over $100 million in existing trade

Rice: For the first time in over 20 years, Australia will be able to export more rice to Japan

Resources and energy: Immediate elimination of tariffs on iron ore, copper and nickel to Peru

Manufacturing: Immediate elimination of tariffs on iron and steel products exported to Canada, and to Vietnam within 10 years

Intellectual property: TPP will not require any changes to Australia's patent system and copyright regime

Biologic medicines: Australia's existing five years of data protection for biologic medicines will not change.

Tobacco: Companies will not have extra power to challenge the plain packaging legislation under the TPP.

Source: Dept of Trade

The controversial deal involves Australia, Canada, the United States, Japan, Malaysia, Mexico, Peru, Brunei, Chile, New Zealand, Singapore and Vietnam.

It is expected to face great difficulties getting through a hostile US Congress and is also looking shaky in Canada, which is facing an imminent national election. The Australian Government also has to convince parliament to back the agreement, Labor is seeking a briefing about the closely held detail of the deal.

"There are winners and losers but overwhelmingly this will drive enormous job growth and create all sorts of wonderful opportunities," Trade Minister Andrew Robb said. Under the deal 98 per cent of tariffs across TPP countries will be slashed on products including beef, dairy, wine, sugar, rice, horticulture, seafood, manufactured products, resources and energy. Last year, about a third of Australian exports - worth $109 billion - went to TPP countries.

Mr Turnbull said he discussed the deal directly with US president Barack Obama last week and said he had spent many hours on the phone in recent days helping to seal the deal.

"These deals are win-win," Mr Turnbull told Melbourne radio station 3AW. "There are concessions all over the place, it is by its nature a negotiation."

Disagreement between Australia and the US on how long pharmaceutical companies could retain intellectual property rights over their products threatened to derail the talks, but a last-minute deal was struck.

"This deal has no impact on the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme. We believe we've got the balance right," Mr Turnbull said.

The Federal Opposition said the deal had "significant potential benefits" but it wanted to examine the fine details.

"We said a red line for us was ensuring that there would be no impact on the accessibility and affordability of medicines in this country," Labor's trade spokeswoman Penny Wong said. "I understand that Mr Robb has said that he's delivered on that. We'll look forward to seeing the detail of that agreement."

The Greens are critical of the secrecy surrounding the deal, sceptical about the economic benefits and worried Australia could be sued under investor-state dispute settlement provisions.

"What is clear is that carve-outs have failed in previous agreements," Greens trade spokesman Peter Whish-Wilson said.
"They haven't stopped corporations taking strategic litigation through these shady tribunals in other parts of the world, and we don't expect they will work here."

In the US, the deal is seen as a legacy-defining achievement for president Barack Obama but it still has to be ratified by a sceptical and often hostile Congress.

Mr Obama said the deal "levelled the playing field" for farmers and manufacturers "by eliminating more than 18,000 taxes that various countries put on our products".

"It includes the strongest commitments on labour and the environment of any trade agreement in history, and those commitments are enforceable, unlike past agreements," Mr Obama said in a statement released by The White House.
Critics have said the deal threatens to hurt jobs and consumers across the globe.

The deal has taken five years of negotiations and it will be some time until the full details are released.

Government spruiks benefits of trade deal


In agriculture, sugar producers will get more access to the US market and Australia will be able to export more rice to Japan. Tariffs on wheat and barley exports to Mexico and Canada will be scrapped, as will those on wine to Peru, Malaysia and Vietnam.

In resources, tariffs on iron ore, copper and nickel to Peru will be eliminated and Vietnam's import taxes on refined petroleum, butanes, propane and LNG will go. When it comes to manufacturing, iron and steel product tariffs to Canada will be scrapped, paper and paperboard duties will be phased out to Peru, and Australian companies will now be able to bid to supply goods used by the governments of Brunei, Canada, Malaysia, Mexico, Peru and Vietnam.

Mr Robb said the deal was "particularly good" for Australian services, with better access for education, transport, telecommunications, financial advice and health providers to TPP countries.

The deal will also raise the foreign investment screening threshold for non-sensitive sectors from $252 million to over $1 billion.

All TPP countries are now "finalising arrangements" for the release of the text of the agreement, which then has to be approved domestically by each nation. In Australia, it will be tabled in Parliament before being reviewed by the Joint Standing Committee on Treaties.

The row between Australia and the US over drug patents had delayed agreement on the deal.

The US allows pharmaceutical companies an exclusive period of 12 years to use clinical data behind the approval for a new biological drug, and was pushing for that in the TPP. But Mr Robb said Australia would not move further than five years, despite the US pushing for a compromise eight-year period.

In the end, US trade representative Michael Froman said the deal would offer at least five years' protection for biologic drugs, plus some time for other measures. He said the goal was to have a comparable outcome for such drugs across the 12 TPP countries.

Ruth Lopert, from George Washington University in the US, told the ABC that the medicines involved were often those derived from living organisms and were amongst the most expensive on the market.

"Many [of these] drugs are used for the treatment of various cancers, for multiple sclerosis, for many conditions, and because they're derived from living organisms they tend to be more complex to develop and they tend to carry much higher price tags," she said. "And currently, when follow-on products are available on the market — what we call biosimilars — in Australia they trigger an automatic 16 per cent price reduction on the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme.
"So there is a lot of money at stake in any potential delay to getting these biologics onto the PBS."
 
If these deals can take away our legal and Constitutional rights, then why are we even discussing them? There should always be debates in our Congress before we accept anything.

That was "Fast Track" which is exactly what it means, fast track treaties through the legislature. Fast Track was passed around the beginning of summer. Supposed to be a yea or nea on the treaty, no amendments or debate required. Similar to what's happening with Iran deal.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2015/05/22/senate-trade-vote/27797579/
 
The TPP from the Canadian perspective

October 5, 2015
What Canadians should know about the TPP deal

By Monique Muise
Global News

As the government of Canada confirms that an agreement in principle has been reached for the Trans-Pacific Partnership, here is what you need to know about the largest international trade deal in world history.

The Deal

Canada’s supply-management system, which restricts the amount of milk, cheese, eggs and poultry farmers can produce while strictly limiting imports, remains largely intact. An additional 3.25 per cent of the dairy market will be opened to foreign imports under the TPP. It will be an additional 2.1 per cent for chicken and turkey, 2.3 per cent for eggs, and 1.5 per cent for broiler hatching eggs.

Farmers will be compensated for losses under the TPP and the recent Canada-EU deal, through a multi-billion-dollar series of programs. The most important will see farmers paid up-front annually over 10 years to maintain 100 per cent income protection, and the program would taper off the five following years. The program is worth $2.4 billion. Smaller programs apply to quota-protection, modernizing equipment, and marketing assistance.

The local-content requirement for cars sold in North America was, until now, set at 60-per-cent to avoid tariffs. The bar has now fallen t0 45-per-cent domestic parts content. This could mean significant fallout in the auto-manufacturing industry.

The flip-side is greater access for Canadian producers to other Pacific-Rim markets. Canada’s agriculture, fish, seafood, forestry, metal and mining sectors will benefit most as producers see tariffs on their exports to Asian markets like Japan dropped immediately or over a period of time. The tariffs on fish/seafood will be gone within a decade, for example, and maple syrup will no longer be subject to a duty in Vietnam.


An introduction of new labour regulations on worker conditions is expected.
Next-generation pharmaceuticals, including cell-based biologics, will have patent-style protections for eight years. That’s in line with Canadian policy, but will disappoint some countries who declared anything beyond five years would be unacceptably expensive for patients and taxpayers.

There are new rules protecting the digital economy, and practices like cloud computing. National governments will be prevented from cutting off data flows, laws that require local storage of data will be limited.

Facts about the TPP


The Trans-Pacific Partnership agreement has been in the works for nearly a decade, and negotiations surrounding the massive trade agreement have been taking place for the last five.

A tentative deal began to take shape on Sunday, but last-minute snags over next-generation pharmaceuticals reportedly had a cascading effect on attempts to resolve other issues. Negotiations stretched into the night, with an announcement finally coming on Monday morning. Japan was the first to break the news.

There are 12 nations involved in the agreement: the United States, Australia, Brunei, Canada, Chile, Japan, Malaysia, Mexico, New Zealand, Peru, Singapore, and Vietnam. Together these nations represent 40 per cent of global gross domestic product. Previous talks broke down in Hawaii over the summer, and a fresh round of talks was then convened in Atlanta.

Now what?


This isn’t over yet. The agreement in principle reached this weekend is not a final deal ready to be ratified by various government bodies. Several elements may still be up for negotiation in the weeks to come.

At the domestic level, NDP Leader Tom Mulcair has said his party will not be “bound” by any Trans-Pacific Partnership signed by the Conservatives. Liberal Leader Justin Trudeau has said Canada must protect the supply-management system and has criticized the Harper government for “secrecy” during the talks, but has not taken a firm position about whether his party would back the deal. Both men are expected to react on Monday.

http://globalnews.ca/news/2257824/what-canadians-should-know-about-the-tpp-deal/
 

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