Vaccine is amazingly effective!

Here's a story about an antivaxxer who killed her 15 month old child, to save it, I guess. :unsure: She also stabbed her teenage daughter and her husband.

A Northwest Miami-Dade woman accused of stabbing her husband and teenage child also submerged her infant daughter in a bathtub during a bizarre baptism while screaming about Jesus and worrying that COVID-19 was coming to kill her family, according to multiple law enforcement sources.​
 
suds00 said:
i don't understand why people are against the vaccination.it seems like they believe there is a conspiracy to ie about the facts
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There are some people with underlying conditions and were told by their physician not to take the vaccine. Not everyone has a conspiracy... they are concerned about their health just as everyone else is who decide to take the vaccine.
 
Chris P Bacon said:
I heard that one of the side effects that may not show up until years after being vaccinated is living not only a longer life but also living a life with fewer aches and pains in it. I wish I could share the article link with you but I can't remember where I saw it.

I guess that we might just have to wait years and years to find out for sure but for right now it seems to be working pretty well at preventing the spread of infection than before there was a vaccine. I, for one, think that that presently is remarkable.
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Great to hear its remarkable for you but for many others.. not so remarkable. Now the booster shot starts next month. How does all this tie in with people on different medications, underlying conditions... :unsure: :unsure: :rolleyes:
 
Chris P Bacon said:
I heard that one of the side effects that may not show up until years after being vaccinated is living not only a longer life but also living a life with fewer aches and pains in it.
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No one knows what kind lingering side effects this virus, or the vaccines, will have....months or years from now. However, I had a somewhat unique experience yesterday that may be a clue.

While doing some chores yesterday, I disturbed a wasps nest, and they swarmed around me, and one of them gave me a good bite on my arm. It felt like someone had driven a nail into my arm. This isn't the first time I've been bitten by a wasp or yellowjacket, and I figured I would be in for some problems. I even keep an EpiPen in the house after I got nailed by a swarm of yellowjackets a few years ago.

I went back into the house, washed my arm, and applied some antibiotic cream to the bite. In years past, the bite would swell up, with a big red spot, and I would have a few days of pain. However, as of today, no swelling, no red spot, and just a minor amount of "itching", which I'm keeping to a minimum with some Cortisone 10.

Is this just a "quirk"....or is it possible that the Covid shots I got earlier this year might be improving my immune system???
 
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Irwin said:
Here's a story about an antivaxxer who killed her 15 month old child, to save it, I guess. :unsure: She also stabbed her teenage daughter and her husband.

A Northwest Miami-Dade woman accused of stabbing her husband and teenage child also submerged her infant daughter in a bathtub during a bizarre baptism while screaming about Jesus and worrying that COVID-19 was coming to kill her family, according to multiple law enforcement sources.​
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Yes, one of the side effects of not getting the Covid vaccine is an overwhelming urge to commit murder.
I suggest you chat with your doctor about changing your meds.
 
Delta Air Lines CEO Ed Bastian notified employees Wednesday that they will face $200 monthly increases on their health insurance premiums starting Nov. 1 if they aren't vaccinated against Covid-19, citing steep costs to cover employees who are hospitalized with the virus.​

Anti-vaxxers and anti-maskers are costing the rest of us a lot of money. It's about time they had to start paying the cost themselves.
 
Irwin said:
Anti-vaxxers and anti-maskers are costing the rest of us a lot of money. It's about time they had to start paying the cost themselves.
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I understand the logic and would want everyone vaccinated who can safely do it...

However I don't know about this. We do lots of things to our bodies that drive up health costs. To extend the logic smokers, overweight people, heavy drinkers, and the list goes on, should also have to pay higher insurance costs. Kind of a slippery slope...
 
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Irwin said:
Anti-vaxxers and anti-maskers are costing the rest of us a lot of money. It's about time they had to start paying the cost themselves.​
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Peoples bad health habits cause at least Half of our health care costs, and insurance premiums....and this virus is only going to cause those costs to continue to rise. Smoking, Obesity, alcohol addiction, etc., are All conditions which can be avoided. Refusing to get vaccinated is resulting in billions of dollars of costs at the hospitals, etc., and it is just a question of time before we all see our premiums rising, and will certainly hasten the day when Medicare/Medicaid runs out of funds.
 
Irwin said:
Delta Air Lines CEO Ed Bastian notified employees Wednesday that they will face $200 monthly increases on their health insurance premiums starting Nov. 1 if they aren't vaccinated against Covid-19, citing steep costs to cover employees who are hospitalized with the virus.​

Anti-vaxxers and anti-maskers are costing the rest of us a lot of money. It's about time they had to start paying the cost themselves.
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How do you feel about drug addiction - like the Opioid crisis? Should doctors pay the cost, since they're largely responsible for it?
 
win231 said:
How do you feel about drug addiction - like the Opioid crisis? Should doctors pay the cost, since they're largely responsible for it?
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Actually no. They're not going after doctors who prescribed them. There have been, and continues to be numerous lawsuits against various pharma companies who manufactured and aggressively marketed opioids and are seen to be the real promoters of their use in the medical community.
J&J, for instance, no longer distributes opioid products (within the United States) after getting spanked real good (financially) by the attorney general of New York - $230 million dollars to be paid out over 9 years.
So yes, there are repercussions for acting in an irresponsible way. Same thing happened in years gone by with Big Tobacco companies world wide who have been successfully sued for billions due to the negative health effects cause by their products.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/26/jj-...-in-230-million-settlement-with-new-york.html
 
Murrmurr said:
I agree!

It's still being argued that 20-30 years ago doctors started over-prescribing antibiotics, ruining kids' immune systems. I never filled those Rx's for my kids. If they'd ever gotten sick enough to need antibiotics, I took them to the hospital. My youngest son got an infection in his knee when he was 5....inside, in the joint. Spent 4 days in hospital. But otherwise, for colds and stuff, they rested at home, got fluids and ate gramma's chicken soup, and were outside playing in a day or two.
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No house-call doctor with his black bag showing up with his miracle antibiotic syringe like I had?
 
Ladybj said:
There are some people with underlying conditions and were told by their physician not to take the vaccine. Not everyone has a conspiracy... they are concerned about their health just as everyone else is who decide to take the vaccine.
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the vaccine is approved by the fda for people with pre-existing conditions.many un-vaccinated are ill and wish they had taken the vaccine.
 
MrPants said:
Actually no. They're not going after doctors who prescribed them. There have been, and continues to be numerous lawsuits against various pharma companies who manufactured and aggressively marketed opioids and are seen to be the real promoters of their use in the medical community.
J&J, for instance, no longer distributes opioid products (within the United States) after getting spanked real good (financially) by the attorney general of New York - $230 million dollars to be paid out over 9 years.
So yes, there are repercussions for acting in an irresponsible way. Same thing happened in years gone by with Big Tobacco companies world wide who have been successfully sued for billions due to the negative health effects cause by their products.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/06/26/jj-...-in-230-million-settlement-with-new-york.html
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They're not going after drug-pushing doctors. That is exactly what's wrong. Doctors know better than anyone else when they're creating drug addicts, but they're in it for the money & perks they get from drug companies & they couldn't care less.
Steven Tyler (Aerosmith's lead singer) was a guest on Dr. Oz & he had some rather interesting things to say. Dr. Oz was discussing his drug rehab with him.
Tyler said, "You know who's causing most of the drug addiction? DOCTORS."
He then described how he saw his doctor for another issue & on the way out of his office, the doctor says, "Hey, Steve....if you're having trouble sleeping, I can give ya something." So.......the doctor KNOWS his patient is in drug rehab & he's pushing drugs on him. Like they do with celebrities - wealthy celebrities like Michael Jackson, Elvis, Heath Ledger, etc. When they're found dead, there is usually a big stash of Rx drugs.
Dr. Oz pretended to be shocked & said, "Wow....this really bothers me."
 
win231 said:
They're not going after drug-pushing doctors. That is exactly what's wrong. Doctors know better than anyone else when they're creating drug addicts, but they're in it for the money & perks they get from drug companies & they couldn't care less.
Steven Tyler (Aerosmith's lead singer) was a guest on Dr. Oz & he had some rather interesting things to say. Dr. Oz was discussing his drug rehab with him.
Tyler said, "You know who's causing most of the drug addiction? DOCTORS."
He then described how he saw his doctor for another issue & on the way out of his office, the doctor says, "Hey, Steve....if you're having trouble sleeping, I can give ya something." So.......the doctor KNOWS his patient is in drug rehab & he's pushing drugs on him. Like they do with celebrities - wealthy celebrities like Michael Jackson, Elvis, Heath Ledger, etc. When they're found dead, there is usually a big stash of Rx drugs.
Dr. Oz pretended to be shocked & said, "Wow....this really bothers me."
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I agree that the Doctors are a huge part of the issue - no question but, fact remains they went after big pharma instead. Perhaps it's easier to sue a few huge, very rich corporations rather than thousands of not quite as wealthy Dr.'s?
 
Alligatorob said:
I understand the logic and would want everyone vaccinated who can safely do it...

However I don't know about this. We do lots of things to our bodies that drive up health costs. To extend the logic smokers, overweight people, heavy drinkers, and the list goes on, should also have to pay higher insurance costs. Kind of a slippery slope...
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They should have to pay higher insurance premiums. If you have an unhealthy lifestyle, you should bear the additional costs — not the rest of us.
 
Irwin said:
Here's a story about an antivaxxer who killed her 15 month old child, to save it, I guess. :unsure: She also stabbed her teenage daughter and her husband.

A Northwest Miami-Dade woman accused of stabbing her husband and teenage child also submerged her infant daughter in a bathtub during a bizarre baptism while screaming about Jesus and worrying that COVID-19 was coming to kill her family, according to multiple law enforcement sources.​
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squatting dog said:
It's all good. However, I'd keep in mind that Dr. Anthony Fauci, is not a virologist, and Virology is a science.

Intelligent decisions on countermeasures require hard data, but doctors such as Dr.Fauci have been “scaring the hell out of people and watching curves based on projections based on meaningless numbers.” The most important fact about COVID-19, its true mortality rate, is the number who die of the virus divided by the number infected by it. No algorithms. Simple arithmetic. None of that for Fauci, who has taken up coronavirus prophecy.
Cheers.
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This reminds me of the Axios interview with Trump. One was talking about mortality rate. The other kept insisting on case fatality rate.

Im curious why you prefer CFR because from what I understand CFR is the one that tends to overestimate the death rate.
To cite an example, if, say, the total population is 100 and 10 are confirmed cases and 1 died; the CFR would be 10% while the mortality rate is 1%.

Moreover, the number of individuals diagnosed isn't equal to the number of individuals who actually have Covid so the accuracy of the denominator is questionable.

Not really well versed on these things, but just putting in my two cents worth.

Moving on to something more expensive, here's a million dollar question for you - Who's your Dr. Fauci?
 
Irwin said:
People are against the covid vaccine and wearing facemasks because they don't want to be ostracized from their social groups, and they fear that's what would happen if they didn't go with the flow.
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And there are people who publicly oppose the vaccine and yet they're fully vaccinated.
 
charry said:
I’ve never had the flu jab.....my dad had it every year for the past 10 yrs ,and he never stopped sniffing and blowing his nose, and he had loads of colds ! 🥺
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The same with my hubby. He gets the flu shot every year and always sniffling and has a cough. A friend of mine shared with me that several of her friends get the flu shot every year and get colds every year. However people do what is best for them.
 
suds00 said:
the vaccine is approved by the fda for people with pre-existing conditions.many un-vaccinated are ill and wish they had taken the vaccine.
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Approved by FDA :unsure: - FDA has not seen my medical records nor anyone else. I regret taking the Flu vaccine years ago. However, only took it once, and has not had the flu as of yet at the age of 61.
 

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