Vaccine risks vs. reward

I asked my doctor about getting the Johnson shot since its just one but he advised me to get the 2 shot one. I have a history of 3 brain aneurysms and for me I will get the 2 shots. Don't need the complications of anymore blood clot issues. This is what is good for me. I would rather have the one shot but in my case the 2 shot is better.
I will continue to wear my mask if I get out or if anyone comes to my home. I just feel better about it. We have to all do what is best for ourselves and those we meet.
 
win231 said:
LOL !! Sorta like the 5 year old kid who tells his parents, "I'm running away & you'll never see me again."
Then he shows up a few minutes later at dinnertime. :ROFLMAO:
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:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

Remember this? You two and Becky demanded a link which I produced and none of you apologised or even acknowledged you were wrong...so I guess we are now on even ground. Don't be afraid of me...I know you are terrified or you wouldn't care what I do ....I won't run over your toes just keep your feet outa the way 🛻🚌🚕🚗 :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/...ccines-were-developed-in-record-time/13096682
 

Two very educational videos...I urge people to watch them. They give a good insight into how a pandemic travels across borders and how no one, no one or country is safe...

Part 1

Part 2
 
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win231 said:
A couple of weeks ago, it was "The vaccine won't prevent transmission, but it may make your symptoms less severe." (same info with flu shots - after people complained about getting the flu despite flu shots).
Now, it's weasel words like, "Potentially" & "Less Likely." And, "You must continue to wear masks & keep social distance after you are vaccinated."
Coincidence that yesterday & today's news reported less interest in the vaccine than previously.

Please look more closely.....
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I have and I am not sure the two quotes are as contradictory as they appear (I could not find your wording in a CDC release, but I believe you).
Most of the scientific evidence is telling us that people who are vaccinated are less likely to get the virus and if they get it they usually carry a lower viral load, which appears to result in less transmission. Not completely prevent it, not to zero. The epidemiological data is still emerging so the picture does change with time.

The choice is get the vaccine and most likely reduce the risk that you will get the virus and the risk that you will transmit it to others. Not eliminate the risk for sure, but most likely reduce it. And enough people have had the shots that we now know the risk of short term side effects are quite low, and there does not seem to be any evidence of longer term risks. Or you can not get the shot and most likely increase risks for yourself and others.

As I said this is a personal decision, I don't think anyone should be required to get the vaccine. I am just hoping that with enough knowledge most people will decide to get them. In fact most people are, I would just like to see that percentage increase.
 
digifoss said:
Oh, I get it. Perhaps waterboarding or a stiff prison sentence might be appropriate for those that don't get the shot, would that appease the vaxx masters ? How would Octavian or Sulla have handled something as terrifying as independent thought?.🤪😜
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Now you are just being absurd.

Sulla and Octavian? Try to remain in the 21st century, not the 1st century BCE.

Vaxx masters? Please clarify who you are referring to because as far as I am aware there are no such appointed officials anywhere in the world. We don't have them in Australia and they don't exist in America either. China? Maybe, but unlikely.
 
Risks V Rewards, we keep reading about the very
very rare chance that you might get blood-clots
that could kill you, but that we should still take the
vaccine for the "greater good" of the population.

Now that they know about the clots, why are blood
tests not scheduled, say a week after the jab? I am
sure that it takes some time for the clots to block
your blood system and won't happen overnight on
the 13 one after the shot.

Also, we humans are selfish and we want the 0.00001%
to be somebody else, so forget the "greater good", the
people who refuse the vaccine are the really frightened
ones and maybe we should pity, rather than malign, them.

Mike.
P.S. I have had both jabs.
 
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digifoss said:
Oh, I get it. Perhaps waterboarding or a stiff prison sentence might be appropriate for those that don't get the shot, would that appease the vaxx masters ? How would Octavian or Sulla have handled something as terrifying as independent thought?.🤪😜
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:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

So we’re going back to Roman times, well better know your history then. I’ll tell you what Sulla and Augustus (Octavian) would say. I can hear them screaming … "Get the vaccine, get the vaccine…or you will end up like us during the Antonine Plague which killed 10 million of our citizens and devastated the Roman army.”

:eek::eek::eek:
 
As a voice for the shamed, let me assure you that we all have our own story to tell and it's no business of anyone else's to assume why anyone has chosen the path they are on. My waiting was not out of fear, nor selfishness, nor any other judgmental accusations from the self-righteous. Shame on those who shame others. You don't know their reasons.

I used intelligent, thoughtful, and respectful reasoning for why I waited. I am basically self-quarantined, live alone now in a healthy unpopulated location with no airport, have an excellent immune system (my whole family does), never had flu shots, never had the flu, never put unnatural medicines in my body....with one exception...

I had a blood clot that traveled to both my lungs a decade ago, leaving me on death's doorstep. I'm also allergic to penicillin. I had to weigh the risks of that medical history killing me with a shot against the chances of me saving anyone else's life in this relatively unpopulated area. And I wanted to wait to get all the updates on these issues.

Some people are simply allergic to the ingredients in the shot. Please keep your shaming to yourselves. Like I said, shame on those who shame others. You don't know their story.
 
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Dana said:
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:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

So we’re going back to Roman times, well better know your history then. I’ll tell you what Sulla and Augustus (Octavian) would say. I can hear them screaming … "Get the vaccine, get the vaccine…or you will end up like us during the Antonine Plague which killed 10 million of our citizens and devastated the Roman army.”

:eek::eek::eek:
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Since until recently more soldiers died of infections than of wounds I'm quite sure that the Roman generals would have welcomed antibiotics and vaccinations as gifts from Mars (the god, not the planet) and made them mandatory for all foot soldiers, archers and cavalry. If they are hypothetically offering advice from their graves then I think it might be wise to heed it but today war is not really the reason why mass vaccination is advisable.

However, a nation that is weakened by an out of control pandemic, and the social and financial devastation that comes with it, is not in a good position to defend itself from invasion by an opportunistic enemy. A healthy population, especially the younger citizens, is needed to defend the homeland.
 
Lara said:
I used intelligent, thoughtful, and respectful reasoning for why I waited. I am basically self-quarantined, live alone now in a healthy unpopulated location with no airport, have an excellent immune system (my whole family does), never had flu shots, never had the flu, never put unnatural medicines in my body....with one exception...

I had a blood clot that traveled to both my lungs a decade ago, leaving me on death's doorstep. I'm also allergic to penicillin. I had to weigh the risks of that medical history killing me with a shot against the chances of me saving anyone else's life in this relatively unpopulated area. And I wanted to wait to get all the updates on these issues.
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No shaming intended here, I am just urging people to think about this carefully and make the decision based on good science and how it applies to their particular situation. That doesn't mean everyone should get vaccinated, just more people than are now. It sounds like you have given this rational thought and come to the right decision for yourself. I can't argue with that.

This is an important issue, controlling the virus will both save lives and let us get back to normal with our economy and lives. And since things are new and changing so quickly it takes more investigation and thought for many people than they are used to on such things.

Shaming people either way will not help, we need rational unheated discussions about this.
 
Dana said:
:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

Remember this? You two and Becky demanded a link which I produced and none of you apologised or even acknowledged you were wrong...so I guess we are now on even ground. Don't be afraid of me...I know you are terrified or you wouldn't care what I do ....I won't run over your toes just keep your feet outa the way 🛻🚌🚕🚗 :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/...ccines-were-developed-in-record-time/13096682
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Demanded? No I asked if you had a link. Big difference. I've never expected a apology when I've posted a link that was asked for.
 
Lara said:
As an advocate for the shamed, let me assure you that we all have our own story to tell and it's no business of anyone else's to assume why anyone has chosen the path they are on. My waiting was not out of fear, nor selfishness, nor any other judgmental accusations from the self-righteous. Shame on those who shame others. You don't know their reasons.

I used intelligent, thoughtful, and respectful reasoning for why I waited. I am basically self-quarantined, live alone now in a healthy unpopulated location with no airport, have an excellent immune system (my whole family does), never had flu shots, never had the flu, never put unnatural medicines in my body....with one exception...

I had a blood clot that traveled to both my lungs a decade ago, leaving me on death's doorstep. I'm also allergic to penicillin. I had to weigh the risks of that medical history killing me with a shot against the chances of me saving anyone else's life in this relatively unpopulated area. And I wanted to wait to get all the updates on these issues.

Some people are simply allergic to the ingredients in the shot. Please keep your shaming to yourselves. Like I said, shame on those who shame others. You don't know their story.
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I also had a bad reaction to penicillin several years ago. Another reason I won't get the shot or any shot I consider unnecessary or risky.
Whoever doesn't like it knows what they can kiss.
 
Alligatorob said:
No shaming intended here, I am just urging people to think about this carefully and make the decision based on good science and how it applies to their particular situation. That doesn't mean everyone should get vaccinated, just more people than are now. It sounds like you have given this rational thought and come to the right decision for yourself. I can't argue with that.

This is an important issue, controlling the virus will both save lives and let us get back to normal with our economy and lives. And since things are new and changing so quickly it takes more investigation and thought for many people than they are used to on such things.

Shaming people either way will not help, we need rational unheated discussions about this.
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It's difficult to make a decision based on good science when there isn't much of it.
 
Warrigal said:
Now you are just being absurd.

Sulla and Octavian? Try to remain in the 21st century, not the 1st century BCE.

Vaxx masters? Please clarify who you are referring to because as far as I am aware there are no such appointed officials anywhere in the world. We don't have them in Australia and they don't exist in America either. China? Maybe, but unlikely.
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I agree, yet absurdity calls for the absurd.

Who are the Vaxx masters ? We don't have any real ones here in the U S, just wannabees, who I refer to here
 
Dana said:
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:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

So we’re going back to Roman times, well better know your history then. I’ll tell you what Sulla and Augustus (Octavian) would say. I can hear them screaming … "Get the vaccine, get the vaccine…or you will end up like us during the Antonine Plague which killed 10 million of our citizens and devastated the Roman army.”

:eek::eek::eek:
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Why yes Dana, you are correct, they would have been real vaxx masters. Soldiers who didn't fall in line for the vaccine would have been force-injected or decimated, citizens failing to be vaccinated would have been proscribed and exiled, or killed. No further worry about any of them spreading any virus around. Thanks for making my point for me, exactly.
 
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SetWave said:
Sheesh. Enough of this snipping and sniping. What are we, children???
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This is precisely why politics are banned. There are so many threads, make that, the subject of threads, that I vehemently disagree with but rather than try to argue I find that it's best to ignore. After all, you can't have a quarrel in an empty room, mind you, I know some who could give it a good go.
 

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I mean, covid and vaccinations​
 
win231 said:
"Others are willing to protect you by getting vaccinated?" LOL. Amazing mind-reading talent.
Others don't protect anyone else by getting vaccinated. Others get vaccinated to protect themselves.
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Wearing facemasks protect others. I believe the jury is still out on whether or not you can still contract the virus from a fully vaccinated person.
 

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