Wal-Mart to stop selling assault rifles!
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Robusta
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Wal Mart has never sold "assault rifles".
Some have tried to get this message across for a long time now. Some just do not listen to facts at all. They just want to push their hate for anyone to have gun at all.
Go look at #29 for my early on comments.
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I have not seen any hatred on this thread. Robust disagreement definitely.
It is not hatred for other posters, it is the personal hatred for guns in private hands. Some how that seems to be something horrid to have people doing.
True enough, no question. However, you stated ....."removing the hammer disconnect".....ya can't disconnect a hammer what ain't there! True enough, select fire requires a means of disconnection from the sear, which either releases a hammer or bolt. Do you like the UZI better than a MAC-10? imp
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So, exactly what has Walmart done? What kind of weapons are they no longer selling?
Why are we so bogged down in definitions now? Distraction?
Why are we so bogged down in definitions now? Distraction?
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Hmmm. While I certainly am a anti gun supporter, I do not feel hatred but fear and sadness at what that portends. Hatred breeds violence. I abhor violence more than most. I do not feed that dog.
I caught a little bit of this radio show the other night where host George Noory speaks to gun expert John Lott about the Walmart ban, the difference between hunting rifles and "assault" rifles, mentally ill people and general gun ownership...for anyone interested, here's a 30 minute audio. http://crimeresearch.org/2015/08/cp...s-and-the-aftermath-of-the-virginia-shooting/
They are just stopping to sell certain look alike to military assault rifles. As I understand it they look like an assault rifle but are just one shot per trigger pull. An assault rifle will fire continually as long as the trigger is held. Not intended for civilian uses.
as·sault ri·fle
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noun: assault rifle; plural noun: assault rifles
- a rapid-fire, magazine-fed automatic rifle designed for infantry use.
Dame, below is an image of an AR-15 rifle, one of the rather older styles. Below that, the infamous AK-47. Looking closely at the top image, one can easily identify the "features" designated by "Authorities" denouncing such rifles as having "no sporting purpose". Collapsible stock, large magazine, pistol grip, muzzle "flash hider", bayonet lug (capable of bayonet attachment). At one point in the scurrilous fever-ridden "Clinton Crime Bill" era, our Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, & Firearms was allowing rifles having one or two of those features to be sold, having all of them was forbidden. As you can see, these features, primarily military in nature for the most part, were alleged to lie outside of the Constitutional descriptions of an armed citizenry. Oh, yes, they are most BLACK in color, another no-no, wouldn't one expect? imp
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Neither looks like a hunting rifle to me.
Why do people want guns like this?
What are they used for?
Why do people want guns like this?
What are they used for?
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Hmm. In most cases one or two shots would be enough, don't you think Warri? In a "normal" civilian setting, how dead is dead? "Hunting." In this instance perhaps the term might be extended to include various examples of homo sapiens? There are many schools of thought purporting to have solved the perplexing (to some at least,) riddle of the glamour often accorded to ownership of guns such as these. Carl Jung would have a field day. Whatever the reason, some people feel the need to amass
seriously scary firepower. Would you want them as neighbours? Imagine if they were having a seriously bad day!
seriously scary firepower. Would you want them as neighbours? Imagine if they were having a seriously bad day!
Don't presuppose you get to decide what a hunting gun should look like.
In in a civilian setting the plan is stopping the threat, if you were to check the stats you would find many cases of perps especially on drugs taking many more than 2 hits and still killing. Most civilian cases of handgun shootings shows high survival rates. The ar15 is and is easily shown to be the best weapon for small frame people to use and control. It was originated and designed by the Air Force as a sentry weapon for women on guard duty.
I think Carl would probably go with something more in a camo. Why do women buy jewelery? Certainly one or two pieces would work. As for jeweries place in hunting-----
all my neighbors are armed, safe neighborhood.
In in a civilian setting the plan is stopping the threat, if you were to check the stats you would find many cases of perps especially on drugs taking many more than 2 hits and still killing. Most civilian cases of handgun shootings shows high survival rates. The ar15 is and is easily shown to be the best weapon for small frame people to use and control. It was originated and designed by the Air Force as a sentry weapon for women on guard duty.
I think Carl would probably go with something more in a camo. Why do women buy jewelery? Certainly one or two pieces would work. As for jeweries place in hunting-----
all my neighbors are armed, safe neighborhood.
The stereotypical bolt action hunting rifle used for the last 100 years are adaptation of Mauser 98 used by the Germans as their main battle rifle and Springfields used by the Allies. These were fed by stripper clips holding 10 rounds and are as fast as using box magazines. Most if not all hunting rifles were adaptations of military stuff. the current protests are simply an attempt to get all guns reclassified by antis under one registration system in a national data base. I have a pellet gun that looks like the above, but certainly wouldn't fit your mental concept of an assault rifle, yet it would be held to be one under the proposed gun law changes.
The question has been that these weapons that WalMart is no longer selling are not assault weapons. That question has been answered over and over. Specifically which weapon has also been answered in detail and with photo's. Most of this should have brought this particular WalMart gun issue to an end.
So why not just start a new thread that says. I hate guns, any guns. And let this WalMart issue die as it should.
And just what is a hunting rifle to look like if some don't like the way they look today. Do all cars look alike? No, and never have. But they are still cars, automobiles, transportation, no matter how they look. Same with guns. Always change for various reasons. From powder and balls to the more modern types.
And they are not military assault rifles. Some are single shot, some are loaded with clips or chambers. There are shotguns with single shot or several loaded under the barrel. There are single shot rifles, and others with clips or magazines that carry various numbers of shots that can be loaded under or beside the chamber. Pistols too, some with 6 shot chambers and others with clips in the handles that carry many more backup bullets.
Each buyer can choose what they think they can use or need. Single shot is dangerous if used to hunt large animals like bears. Single shot is dangerous if protecting your home and family with the way some folks are acting. One or two shots is not enough if more than one person is threatening. Single shot is required for target shooting in gun clubs.
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I suspect there is a certain amount of "macho" involved due to their appearance. Aside from that fact, they are made lighter, lightweight materials used, plastics to an extent, and they "look military". "Military" seems to command respect from others, to a degree. Who does not, after all, "look up" to a Soldier?
They do not resemble rifles traditionally used by sportsmen (or women) to take game; however, after becoming popular following the Viet Nam conflict, and demand for the formerly-used M-16 rifle of our Armed Forces there became much less by them, gun-makers looked to continue production by selling to a civilian market, in a version of semi-automatic fire only, and they came to be known as "AR-15". At one point in time, when a large government contract was cancelled, the premier maker, Colt, filed for bankruptcy.
I personally knew a number of sportsmen in Missouri when we lived there, who hunted deer using AR-15s. This is not generally recommended, as the round used is rather small and light for the purpose of "cleanly" killing large game. In fact, some states require a certain minimum caliber be used, usually .30 caliber, I believe. Being a non-hunter, I cannot relate hunting experiences directly. The so-called "assault-style" rifles are thus used for exactly the same purposes as any other rifle would be: competition target shooting, hunting, self defense, and of course, criminal activity.
Most important: they are black in color! imp
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For the record, I do not hate guns, Bob. Sometimes their use is necessary. We just differ in our opinion re how and why and with what firepower that is appropriate.
heard that before, Clinton, Obama , what was that guy the head of the Justice Dept. gone now. its all about control
A strangely courteous atmosphere hangs in the air at any "outing" where nearly all those present are armed. I first became aware of it when I began frequenting the large gun shows in Phoenix. Generally held over two-day weekends in large public show places such as the State Fairgrounds, attendance often exceeded 100,000 folks of all ages. Advertised numbers of firearms displayed for sale often exceeded a quarter-million. A fair percentage of people carried long-guns, others handguns in cases, or pouches, (or pockets, I suppose), many were not already armed, and simply went about looking and asking questions. Many were there specifically to buy. Other types of weaponry, such as knives, swords, machetes, blow-guns, and all types of memorabilia pertaining to military, were always widely present. Many kinds of ammunition were for sale.
All firearms brought to the show, both before opening time and after, were checked by police officers that they were unloaded, and where design allowed, the actions were secured by tie-straps. I was always amazed at the difference in general attitude displayed, compared with, say, that often seen in a large retail store or market. Everyone seemed to regard others as worthy of courtesy in every way. Though often very crowded, very little anger or lack of patience was seen. You would have to experience this, in order to believe it.
Regarding armed neighbors, does the amount of "firepower" they possess really make any difference, as compared to, say, possession of one handgun, or rifle? The "what ifs" are innumerable: what if a neighbor has a "bad day", and has no firearm with which to carry out a berserk act? Would you be much less frightened of such an individual carrying a knife, axe, club, or whatever else had been at hand, instead of a firearm? I do not believe I would be less afraid. imp
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IMO, Imp, we shall have to politely disagree. I come from a different culture where gun ownership is not considered a constitutional right. Most Canadians are not armed, and prefer it that way. We are not an armed society, but everyone knows Canadians are polite! Lol.