Wales is not the place to be...

garyt1957 said:
Man, we're pretty soft nowadays. We think these lockdowns are such an imposition. You have to stay home with your 200 channels and your streaming and your internet, etc, "Oh the Humanity!". Just imagine what is was like during the Spanish Flu or even standing in food lines during the Depression hoping to get some bread.
And I get it, I hate this stuff, I want to do what I want to do like before. I'm going stir crazy like everybody else, but is is really THAT bad?
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Good points all......

I think of course that it is age related to a large degree.

When I was young, you couldn't keep me home, in the house. I was either gone, or in the garage working on this, or that.

Actually, before arthritis , in travel season, again i was gone. But things change with age, for various reasons. And I believe our acceptance of those changes becomes a bit easier with age.

If I were 31 as opposed to 71 , I would likely be pulling my hair out !!

And I'd have hair to pull out as well ..... :rolleyes:
 

StarSong said:
Maybe we should just beat them

A home remedy during the Black Death of 1340's and the several waves of the plague- had the population searching for a cure:
Rx was crude in that epoch, Flagellants remedy was to wander from town to exhibiting their self-mutilation wounds (whipping themselves).

It didn't work then, not sure if beating some smarty-pants students would work today- it would be a good start, don't you think?
If I were a teacher, I'd jump on that band wagon.
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Pepper said:
No, they killed the rats that were carrying the disease of the Plague.


Tis true, tis true..Fleas were the carrier, but the cats ate the rates. Humans in their hovels ignored rats, hygiene terrible, fleas were a part of living.
Cats, were around, but the population were suspicious of cats-black cats, witches and all that...

Here we sit today, afraid to offend another due to possible body odor-what's that all about?
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In fact, cats rarely kill rats. Dogs kill rats. Rats are really ferocious and hard to kill. While a cat can kill a rat, it would rather run from one. You need a dog for rats, and there are dogs especially breed to kill rats. Rat terriers come to mind 🤣.
 
Persecution had depleted the supply of domestic cats dramatically, leaving human grain stores unprotected when merchants brought the Plague from Asia to Europe in the form of ship rats with infectious fleas. Rats took over Europe, gobbling the grain and providing homes for the fleas that carried the Black Plague. Without the protection of domestic cats, the rat population multiplied exponentially. As a result, the Black Death spread rapidly, decimating Europe’s population. Additionally, many people suffered food poisoning due to rat droppings in their food supplies. Overall, people paid dearly for the slaughter of cats.

Those who kept cats as pets would have had a better chance of surviving the Black Death, as the rat populations around their homes would have been kept under control. However, despite the role that cats played in helping to prevent the Black Death, people in Europe continued to murder cats for another 300 years. Thus, Europeans were particularly vulnerable when the Plague swept through again in the 1600s.
https://www.metaphoricalplatypus.com/articles/animals/cats/cat-history/cat-history-the-black-plague/
 
Your know-it-all attitude is getting tiresome. I went to graduate school at Oxford University. I read for Medieval History and Art.
 
Pepper said:
Your know-it-all attitude is getting tiresome. I went to graduate school at Oxford University. I read for Medieval History and Art.
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Well, I did not go to a four year college. I did not graduate from Oxford University, grats btw on that, but I did do basic training in Alabama. And they have huge field rats in Alabama. No cat is going to be able to kill a field rat.

I am not an expert on rats or on cats. But what you’ve printed seems to say that cats did not save Europe from the plague. But, I am curious, were they Chinese rats? 😱🤣
 
Pepper said:
Your know-it-all attitude is getting tiresome. I went to graduate school at Oxford University. I read for Medieval History and Art.

Are you addressing me? You got plenty learning-let us hope so.
How come you used Goggle? Didn't you know this information.

I'll match my book learning against yours-a year and a half in 9th grade, two years in 10th grade. two years in 11th grade and several years
in 12th year. Count the years-using your finger is okay,-also spent several semester in night school for my GED.
Betch'a got more years in a classroom than you do.

So tell me, where do flagellants hang out in the U.S.A. (No Goggle).
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Really feel for you @Furryanimal. I'm in Wilshire and we're not in full lockdown yet. My friend's daughter is in Wales and she is very distressed. I can't understand the logic , is there any logic? When everyone comes out of lockdown we will face the same situation and have to go back to lockdown. I think there are 3 things that if everybody adhered to we may have a chance to avoid these lockdowns which are throwing the economy into meltdown and, it has been noted, that delays in the diagnosis of cancers/ heart conditions and other conditions and the necessary treatments put on hold, and add to that the rise in mental illness, will result in deaths that will overtake the number of deaths from the virus, so hand wash, masks and social distancing. Perhaps I'm being naieve but we locked down in March and we appear to be back to square one. Just some thoughts.
 
Treacle said:
Really feel for you @Furryanimal. I'm in Wilshire and we're not in full lockdown yet. My friend's daughter is in Wales and she is very distressed. I can't understand the logic , is there any logic? When everyone comes out of lockdown we will face the same situation and have to go back to lockdown. I think there are 3 things that if everybody adhered to we may have a chance to avoid these lockdowns which are throwing the economy into meltdown and, it has been noted, that delays in the diagnosis of cancers/ heart conditions and other conditions and the necessary treatments put on hold, and add to that the rise in mental illness, will result in deaths that will overtake the number of deaths from the virus, so hand wash, masks and social distancing. Perhaps I'm being naieve but we locked down in March and we appear to be back to square one. Just some thoughts.
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I can not get a hip replacement till March due to the back up when our medical people went into lockdown, with the way it is going it will be March 2022 😥
 
Here in California we've been under fairly tight restrictions since mid-March. Schools are still OPTING to remain closed and continue with long-distance learning. Every state that opened up quickly, has also seen their infection and death rates start to rise again.

California is bucking the trends and one of the few states where the stats are trending downwards. With 30 million people in the state, that is pretty amazing in these days of partisan politics. Nobody wants to see our progress halt and go into reverse. It's still too early to "go back to the pre-shutdown days".

Restrictions are beginning to ease up but still tight limits on gathering #s and max # of indoor dining. There are still businesses not allowed to open yet.

And frankly, we wouldn't have it any other way. We are not eager to go out and share a lot of virus-laden air.

My family just emailed about Thanksgiving. We all agreed we'll do the "social distance bubble" - our term - since we usually do a potluck dinner. The bigger family group that is one "bubble" will be centerpoint. The other households will make some of the dishes, then drop off food to the bigger group.

That group contains the young kids, so we visitors will stay 6' away, masked, and stay to talk for a bit - outdoors. Then we'll exchange foods so that everyone gets their usual platefuls. We'll take ours home and enjoy the holiday in a low-key way.

No Zooming; we all voted against it. We keep in regular touch via email, texts, an occasional outside visit, etc.; no need for doing a videoconference (we're only about 12 miles from household to the other households - luckily no out of state close family).

Expect Xmas will be similar, but usually Xmas is a quieter time for my family than T-day is.
 
Lethe200 said:
Here in California we've been under fairly tight restrictions since mid-March. Schools are still OPTING to remain closed and continue with long-distance learning. Every state that opened up quickly, has also seen their infection and death rates start to rise again.

Restrictions are beginning to ease up but still tight limits on gathering #s and max # of indoor dining.

And frankly, we wouldn't have it any other way. We are not eager to go out and share a lot of virus-laden air, thanks.

My family just emailed about Thanksgiving. We all agreed we'll do the "social distance bubble" - our term - since we usually do a potluck dinner. The bigger family group that is one "bubble" will be centerpoint. The other households will make some of the dishes, then drop off food to the bigger group.

That group contains the young kids, so we visitors will stay 6' away, masked, and stay to talk for a bit - outdoors. Then we'll exchange foods so that everyone gets their usual platefuls. We'll take ours home and enjoy the holiday in a low-key way.

No Zooming; we all voted against it. We keep in regular touch via email, texts, an occasional outside visit, etc.; no need for doing a videoconference (we're only about 12 miles from household to the other households - luckily no out of state close family).

Expect Xmas will be similar, but usually Xmas is a quieter time for my family than T-day is.
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Sounds like a great plan. Since my daughter and great granddaughter live in Texas I finally agree to zoom. I hate being zoom grandpop (yup that’s what she calls me) but it better than her not knowing who I am.

As to T day, depends on the virus, it’s bad in our area. Can not make any decision at this time.
 

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