Welfare myths and the luck of life

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Just came across this article http://insidestory.org.au/welfare-myths-and-the-luck-of-life that is based on a book Good Times, Bad Times: The Welfare Myth of Them and Us, by British social policy researcher John Hills.

The writer of the article talks about some issues raised and draws comparisons with the Australian situation. I will be posting on an Australian site but it occurred to me that it could be of interest to Americans as well.

Here is a taste

Volatility

A key theme of Good Times, Bad Times is the volatility of poverty. Hills describes the week-to-week income received by a high-income family as fairly dull: regular pay cheques, and occasional blips from investment income. By contrast, the same graph for a low-income family “would look more like the hospital heart monitor of someone in trouble, with big jumps and falls from week to week.” This highly erratic pattern is partly due to life events (such as losing a job or finding a partner) but also a result of means-tested government payments starting or stopping. Since there is a delay in means testing, the result can be to add to the volatility of incomes, rather than smooth it out.

Income volatility – over weeks, years or even generations – isn’t surprising when you think about it. But the puzzle is that many seem not to have thought about it. In Britain, the secretary of state for work and pensions, Iain Duncan Smith, claims that his country has council estates “where often three generations of the same family have never worked.” Yet as Hills points out, the data show that less than 1 per cent of adult men have never worked, and researchers have been unable to find even a single example of multigenerational joblessness. As one researcher puts it, verifying Duncan Smith’s claim is like “hunting the Yeti.”

What about in Australia? Here, too, a quick search turned up a number of conservative politicians making Duncan Smith’s claim. Kevin Andrews frets about “jobless households, in which many generations of Australians do not know what it is like to have a job.” Peter Dutton bemoans “households in which there is now a third generation of people who have never worked.” Ewen Jones worries about “generations of people out there who have never had a job.” The Australian editorialises about “the evidence of Australian families where three generations have never worked.”

What does the evidence say? Looking at the Household, Income and Labour Dynamics in Australia (HILDA) survey, I found that among men thirty or older, only one in 500 had never worked (see chart). And among this tiny sample, all the respondents reported that their father was working when they were a child. Like the British social researchers, I was unable to find a single example of a family in which both the father and son had never held down a job. The rhetoric of Andrews, Dutton and Jones seems adrift from Australian reality.

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Another mistake that arises from the static view of poverty is the tendency to divide the population into “us” and “them.” In Britain, prime minister David Cameron talks about “strivers” and “skivers.” In the United States, Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney split America into the 47 per cent “who are dependent on government” and the 53 per cent who pluckily make their own way in life. In Australia, treasurer Joe Hockey (invoking long-serving Liberal prime minister Robert Menzies) divided the nation into “leaners” and “lifters.”

The problem with this approach is that most of us move between the categories at different points in our lives. The “skivers,” the “47 per cent” and the “leaners” include retirees, students, people with disabilities, the newly jobless, and single parents whose partners have just left them. To stamp a permanent label on the forehead of any of these people makes no sense.

In Britain, Hills points out, the experience of child poverty is surprisingly widespread. Using the definition of poverty as families with less than three-fifths of the median income, he finds that only one in eight children are poor in a given year. But over the course of a decade, half of all British children will experience at least a year in poverty. Being in poverty is abnormal; being touched by poverty during childhood is not.

Taking a dynamic approach to poverty reminds us of the role the welfare state can play in managing risk. Until the late nineteenth century, individuals effectively had to self-insure against risks such as sickness, job loss, and poverty in old age. With the advent of the welfare state, the job of managing many of these risks was moved away from individuals and towards government. Taxes became like an insurance premium, to be paid out in the event of illness, unemployment or retirement.

Like Cameron, Romney and Hockey, Prussian leader Otto von Bismarck was a conservative. But Bismarck created the world’s first welfare state because he realised that we can’t split society into “us” and “them.” Speaking in the Reichstag, Bismarck argued that it is the responsibility of the state “to protect the worker from accidents and need when he is injured or becomes old.” By creating programs such as old age pensions, accident insurance, medical care and unemployment insurance, we give people greater confidence to live their lives – to have children, invest in their businesses, and try new jobs.
 

I read the entire post and this one line, which happened to be the last line, made the most sense to me. "By creating programs such as old age pensions, accident insurance, medical care and unemployment insurance, we give people greater confidence to live their lives – to have children, invest in their businesses, and try new jobs."

I have always been a huge advocate of giving people who work a back-up plan, (so to speak), in case of injury or loss of their job. People need to know that there is something that they can fall back on financially in case they do become injured, ill or lose their job. Heads of families should not have to worry about how they will pay their bills or mortgage, buy food and continue to support the family's needs due to unforeseen circumstances. As for the Seniors and their after work years, here in America we have all paid either into SS or some other government form of post work year's compensation plan whereby Seniors collect a monthly amount based on what they paid in over their work years. As we have all heard, SS was never meant to be the sole form of financial support when Seniors retired. It was expected that during our working years, we would have saved through company supported investment plans or other types of additional savings plans that we could fall back on and collect post retirement. Some did and some didn't. I fully understand that not all could afford to have huge amounts withheld from their paychecks and so some may not have have been able to save much for their retirement years while others may have fared much better. Each person's circumstances are/were different.
 
Well of course everyone knows someone... or knows someone who knows someone who is gaming the system and totally underserving of help.. Just like everyone knows someone or knows someone who knows someone who has had 35 late term abortions.
 
The repeated mention of joblessness points to one glaring deficiency in the US and it's not a deficiency exhibited by the poor, it's a systemic deficiency in the job market. There are not enough jobs that pay a living wage in our economy. Most of these jobs have been sent over-seas. This is the way a free market economy works, but it has resulted a very unhealthy situation with a small number of very rich people and a very large group of people who have seen a long term decline in wages and serious amounts of unemployment. The culprit here is the free market economy.
 
In my younger days I worked for an agency and met some of them as clients who were masters at gaming the system...
 
The repeated mention of joblessness points to one glaring deficiency in the US and it's not a deficiency exhibited by the poor, it's a systemic deficiency in the job market. There are not enough jobs that pay a living wage in our economy. Most of these jobs have been sent over-seas. This is the way a free market economy works, but it has resulted a very unhealthy situation with a small number of very rich people and a very large group of people who have seen a long term decline in wages and serious amounts of unemployment. The culprit here is the free market economy.

This is exactly why pure capitalism doesn't work.... neither does pure socialism. There has to be a balance.. Capitalism exists solely for the manufacture of profit. Capitalism does not have a social conscience.. nor is it altruistic.. Now before someone points out all the good things some corporations do for the community, do you seriously believe they would if there were not some payback for them? ...either in the form of tax write-offs or PR? Of course not. Corporations exist to make money for their shareholders, and it does not matter how they do it.. They do it. This is why 90% of all new income is going to the top 1% of Americans. And this is where unfettered capitalism has taken us.


Until we understand that there must be a balance of Social Safety nets, regulations, and progressive taxation, things are only going to get worse for the bottom 99% of us. No one is begrudging the success of those at the top... we only ask they give back something to help others succeed..
 
Yes, there were quite a few and they knew how to manipulate a young worker, not to mention the agency that also knew how to manipulate the worker, and the caseload to keep the numbers up and get the funding...
 
Breaking the welfare cycle.
Keep your eyes on New Zealand.
Note that John Key is the Prime Minister of a centre right conservative government.

Imagine a country in which a government of the centre-right decided to make it a top priority to tackle inherited disadvantage. Where much of its limited new spending is devoted to “social investment” to reduce deprivation and increase workforce participation. And where it’s chalking up impressive results.

You don’t have to go far to find it – just across the Tasman. Taking on disadvantage is rarely a priority for conservative governments, but it has become an increasingly important theme of the second and third terms of the National Party government under prime minister John Key.

Last week finance minister Bill English took it further, bringing down a budget in which generally tight control of government spending contrasted sharply with increased welfare payments aimed at reducing the number of children growing up in hardship, especially among the least well-off New Zealanders (largely Maori), who are dependent on welfare, and often in and out of jail.

Why? John Key himself grew up on welfare, in public housing in Christchurch with his sisters and widowed mother Ruth, a Jewish refugee from Austria. While he rose to become head of global foreign exchange trading for Merrill Lynch before entering politics, he has never forgotten where he came from. In his first speech as National Party leader, in 2006, he declared, “You can measure a society by how it looks after its most vulnerable… It is in the interests of no one, and to the shame of us all, that an underclass has been allowed to develop in New Zealand.”

Key, English and other ministers have combined humanitarian instincts with actuarial logic to create a world-leading experiment: investing heavily to reduce the risk of children inheriting their parents’ welfare dependency, and to offer incentives and intensive help for the parents themselves to get off welfare and into work, and then stay in work.

What is most remarkable is that Key and English have made this “social investment” a top priority, in part, as a business decision to reduce the long-term cost of government. Moreover, they have invested in trying to lift up those at the bottom at the short-term cost of another of their top priorities: to get the budget back in surplus.

For four years, Key and English had promised to deliver a surplus in 2014–15. But it tells you something about them and their government that when New Zealand’s dairy prices crashed last year, and near-zero inflation slashed the expected tax growth, English flatly rejected the temptation to make sudden spending cuts, raise taxes or fiddle the figures just to get over the line. At the budget launch last Thursday, he declared, “Knee-jerk responses are not a hallmark of this government, and we will maintain spending that is supporting families, driving better public services and helping economic growth. Those matter more than the actual date we reach surplus.”

The hardship package was focused particularly on “children at risk”: those kids whose parents are long-term welfare dependents and have family problems and criminal records. At the budget launch, English said actuarial assessments based on longitudinal studies have found that among children growing up in such families:
• 75 per cent will not complete school;
• 40 per cent will themselves become long-term welfare dependents by the time they’re twenty-one; and
• 24 per cent will have been jailed by the time they’re thirty-five.​

Children growing up in this group, English said, cost taxpayers an average of NZ$320,000 by the time they turn thirty-five; some cost taxpayers more than NZ$1 million. These are stunning figures, which he uses to persuade fellow conservatives that it is in society’s interests to give these children and their parents a priority on spending that they have never had before.

The new spending came with a bite: people on benefits will be expected to look for part-time work once their youngest child is three. Perhaps it is more bark than bite: officials assured us that no parent would be thrown off benefits if they cannot find suitable work. It was met with silence from the government’s friends, vociferous opposition from its enemies.

It is not only the most disadvantaged that the Key government is trying to lift up, but also low-income groups more broadly: sole parents, the working poor, and low-income families on benefits – again, with the goal of getting them out of social and economic exclusion and into the workforce. English says their monitoring is already showing lower rates of child abuse, sharply improved workforce participation by the target groups, a 38 per cent reduction in youth crime, a 40 per cent fall in teenagers on sole parent benefits, and a closing of the gap between immunisation rates of Maori and Pakeha (whites).

The policy grew partly out of a pair of reports written four years ago that emphasised the importance of early intervention to prevent at-risk children and young adults from falling into failure that would cost themselves and society dearly in the long term. As critics point out, New Zealand has a long way to go. Its six-year whirlwind of free market reforms from 1985 to 1991, including a 20 per cent cut in welfare benefits, redesigned all the rules to favour those at the top. The New Zealand Council of Christian Social Services quotes data showing that over thirty years, real per capita incomes almost doubled for the top 1 per cent, but rose only 14 per cent for those at the bottom. New Zealand has fewer than a million children, but it is estimated that 260,000 of them are living in poverty.

Full article here: http://insidestory.org.au/new-zealands-conservatives-take-on-disadvantage
 
The repeated mention of joblessness points to one glaring deficiency in the US and it's not a deficiency exhibited by the poor, it's a systemic deficiency in the job market. There are not enough jobs that pay a living wage in our economy. Most of these jobs have been sent over-seas. This is the way a free market economy works, but it has resulted a very unhealthy situation with a small number of very rich people and a very large group of people who have seen a long term decline in wages and serious amounts of unemployment. The culprit here is the free market economy.

Not Only is the "Free Market Economy" and Offshoring of good jobs hamstringing our people...But, Also, technology. More and more good manufacturing jobs are being taken over by robotics and automation, while our population continues to increase. Anyone who understands the basic "supply and demand" principles should see that this is a sure recipe for future problems. In an environment where there are multiple applicants for every good paying job, the employers have NO incentive to offer anything resembling a living wage.
 
This is exactly why pure capitalism doesn't work.... neither does pure socialism. There has to be a balance.. Capitalism exists solely for the manufacture of profit. Capitalism does not have a social conscience.. nor is it altruistic.. Now before someone points out all the good things some corporations do for the community, do you seriously believe they would if there were not some payback for them? ...either in the form of tax write-offs or PR? Of course not. Corporations exist to make money for their shareholders, and it does not matter how they do it.. They do it. This is why 90% of all new income is going to the top 1% of Americans. And this is where unfettered capitalism has taken us.


Until we understand that there must be a balance of Social Safety nets, regulations, and progressive taxation, things are only going to get worse for the bottom 99% of us. No one is begrudging the success of those at the top... we only ask they give back something to help others succeed..


I think you hit the nail on the head in every point and Don's points about industry robotizing is also very accurate! I heard of a manufacturer somewhere (maybe Japan because they love their robots) and that company was on the verge of switching over to a robot run factory which meant about 1000 people would lose their jobs! What happens when they are all doing that? You think the 'good' job market is bad now, wait fifteen years and see how much worse it is. Our kids and grandkids will have to survive on part-time waiter jobs.
 
Nowhere in our major industries is automation and robotics more apparent than in our Automobile Plants. Years ago, a major plant might have 4 or 5 thousand production employees...all members of the UAW, and making really good money. Now, 80%, or more, of the production is done by robots, and the few people that remain are largely in quality control, and "detailing". The Once Powerful UAW has been reduced to little more than an ineffective employee lobby. 25 years ago, a UAW member could make $30/hr., and today they are lucky to get $20.
 


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