Well, pat my back and call me a conspiracy nut.

squatting dog said:
Kind of surprised that you don't seem to remember the disaster "Cutter Incident" from their experimental polio vaccine, or the fact that polio vaccines were first tried in the 1930's and it wasn't until the 50's that the vaccine became commonplace. So, that vaccine took years, not months to perfect.
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Fools who want to play the "Covid Blame Game" only remember what fits their narrative & doesn't interfere with their need to feel good about themselves.
 

squatting dog said:
Kind of surprised that you don't seem to remember the disaster "Cutter Incident" from their experimental polio vaccine, or the fact that polio vaccines were first tried in the 1930's and it wasn't until the 50's that the vaccine became commonplace. So, that vaccine took years, not months to perfect.
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Science and research has surely improved in the last 100 years. They used to think that bloodletting was the answer.
 

win231 said:
You have learned what the "Experts" & the vaccine pushers don't want to admit.
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I kind of agree with you @win231 and @Becky1951 who wrote, I think, a long ago about the fact that the unvaccinated breakthrough cases were being underreported. After being told by the director of the group homes that she was unaware of the cases of Covid in the sheltered workshop, well, dang.

Had those cases been reported or shared with that director my son might not have gotten Covid. He certainly would have been tested, if they had known Erika, to see if he had Covid. He could have gotten treatment sooner and avoided, perhaps, hospitalization.

My older son, exposed to delta by his brother, went today and got tested. He tested negative but you really need to wait a full 7 days after exposure. In any event, the health department did not tell him to quarantine, as they had in the past.

I believe the “hidden” information is, you either get it or you don’t.
 
It's funny I had to go to Urgent Care yesterday and I was talking to a lady that was there. She mentioned her son and said he was on a trip. She said he didn't believe in getting vaccinated but since he was going on a plane he was worried so he got a fake vaccination card, stating he was vaccinated. I thought OMG I don't know how he did it. People can be weird.
 
Pepper said:
Ugh. Leeches are still used in medicine for certain conditions. Ugh. :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
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The Leeches that are used medically are not just collected from swamps. They are raised in a sterile environment for that purpose. I have seen interesting documentaries on their use. They have saved legs & arms that were scheduled for amputation due to blood clots & other conditions.
Medically-raised Maggots are also used for that purpose. Maggots only eat decaying tissue, so they have been used to consume gangrene-type infection in a severe wound.
 
If proof of immunity were accepted, the prohibitions would make more sense.

More and more hard science including recent Israeli and even more recent British data show antibodies of those previously infected are as protective as vaccine mediated ones.

Proof of immunity is easily obtained by an antibody titer blood test.

At one of the long term care facilities I consult for, three nurses are tracking their antibodies. All three contracted Covid in 2020. Two were fully vaccinated in April 2021, the third is not vaccinated. The nurse with the highest antibody levels is recovered and vaccinated. In second place is the recovered, unvaccinated nurse and the lowest (adequate titers still) is recovered and vaccinated. All three should be able to present their most recent antibody titer results to go anywhere they choose.
 
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SeaBreeze said:
Well, look at it this way. First of all, someone who is vaccinated having "horrible reactions" is very rare, I know of nobody, including myself and my husband who had more than mild side effects which is a normal reaction from the immune system. In fact, my husband had no side effects at all with the J&J vaccine.

We both intend to get our booster shots and are glad to have a life saving vaccine available during a deadly worldwide pandemic. If I have a horrible reaction, it will affect only me.

This is now the pandemic of the unvaccinated. It is the unvaccinated who are overflowing our hospitals, affecting the health and well being of our medical workers, and dying in hospitals hooked up to ventilators. Unvaccinated people are most likely to spread the virus to others and make opening up and living normally much harder to do.

Vaccine mandates for employment is the wise thing to do, since there are so many irresponsible people around. If they get the vaccine to keep their job, it may also save their lives in the end. The majority of dead Americans, over 700,000 were unvaccinated.

My taking the vaccine does not affect you or other citizens in a negative way. Your refusing to take the vaccine affects your community, neighbors and our country as a whole. The only valid reason someone should not get the vaccine is a medical reason from their doctor, allergy to ingredients, etc. Many who can't take the COVID19 vaccine also can't take other vaccines either.
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Well said, SeaBreeze! Neither I, nor anybody I discuss such things with, know anyone who has had any "horrible reactions" to the vaccine. But we DO know people who have become very sick and/or died of covid.
 
According to something I heard yesterday, a recent survey indicates that one in five Americans knows someone who had died of Covid - either a family member or close acquaintance. I have no details however. Anyone else heard this statistic?
 
Warrigal said:
According to something I heard yesterday, a recent survey indicates that one in five Americans knows someone who had died of Covid - either a family member or close acquaintance. I have no details however. Anyone else heard this statistic?
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Sounds reasonable. 330 million Americans divided by 700 thousands Covid deaths => 1 in every 472 of Americans died from Covid. I've read the average person knows 600 other people. I've lost a cousin and her husband to Covid

OTOH I do not know anyone who has had a issue with getting vaccinated.
 
I don't personally know anyone who has died from covid although several of the elderly people that I know have died recently from other causes and we were unable to attend their funerals due to restrictions on indoor gatherings. For the same reason we were unable to attend our niece's wedding last year.

I know of just one person who has had Covid and had to be hospitalised. Happily she has recovered but the hospital experience was not good.

I only know one person who has not taken advantage of vaccination. He is a mature age university student who wants to be a physiotherapist. If he doesn't get vaccinated he might be excluded from face to face lectures and may need to study by distance education. That will disadvantage him against the other students, especially with regard to practical work. I expect that by next year it won't matter. It all depends on what the virus throws at us next.
 
Warrigal said:
According to something I heard yesterday, a recent survey indicates that one in five Americans knows someone who had died of Covid - either a family member or close acquaintance. I have no details however. Anyone else heard this statistic?
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I don't know anyone who has died of covid. I don't even know of anyone who has been hospitalized with it. I must be one of the four. But I do know @Gary O's son died from the vaccine.
 
Shero said:
Well, I have mentally "patted your back" and called you the name you called yourself :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO: and I feel good about it.

What's new in Australia? The government is mandating at a fast rate. In some parts of Australia it has been mandated that if employers do not make sure their workers are vaccinated they pay a fine of $100,000 and for each worker it is $20, 000. Saw on the news last night, footballers have to be vaccinated in this country or they are sacked!
Je t’aime Australia ❤️
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WOW! If Hitler and Stalin were alive they would give a "high five" at the news from Australia!
 
Sassycakes said:
It's funny I had to go to Urgent Care yesterday and I was talking to a lady that was there. She mentioned her son and said he was on a trip. She said he didn't believe in getting vaccinated but since he was going on a plane he was worried so he got a fake vaccination card, stating he was vaccinated. I thought OMG I don't know how he did it. People can be weird.
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Vaccination cards are sold online.
 
Buckeye said:
Sounds reasonable. 330 million Americans divided by 700 thousands Covid deaths => 1 in every 472 of Americans died from Covid. I've read the average person knows 600 other people. I've lost a cousin and her husband to Covid

OTOH I do not know anyone who has had a issue with getting vaccinated.
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Same here, nobody where I work has died, but about one in ten have had Covid, and two lost family members to Covid (and one person's friend's mom died of covid). Nobody who has gotten vaccinated has had a serious issue, just sore arms and sometimes a crummy day with a fever (tho one person's elderly husband had a rather high fever for three days).
We just got informed this past week that vaccines are mandated for our jobs. I think it is great, but there is one person who will probably quit because she doesn't believe she should have to get vaccinated since 'only' 1% of people die (her stat is low), but I continue to feel quite shocked how cheap other peoples lives are to some people who I has assumed were 'good' people. I can sympathize with young people who didn't want to go fight and die in a foreign war that seemed to just be a game for politicians, but that people won't even submit to a vaccination to help protect people they live among is just really causing me to feel such disappointment and sorrow about the coldness of humans.
 
HoneyNut said:
Same here, nobody where I work has died, but about one in ten have had Covid, and two lost family members to Covid (and one person's friend's mom died of covid). Nobody who has gotten vaccinated has had a serious issue, just sore arms and sometimes a crummy day with a fever (tho one person's elderly husband had a rather high fever for three days).
We just got informed this past week that vaccines are mandated for our jobs. I think it is great, but there is one person who will probably quit because she doesn't believe she should have to get vaccinated since 'only' 1% of people die (her stat is low), but I continue to feel quite shocked how cheap other peoples lives are to some people who I has assumed were 'good' people. I can sympathize with young people who didn't want to go fight and die in a foreign war that seemed to just be a game for politicians, but that people won't even submit to a vaccination to help protect people they live among is just really causing me to feel such disappointment and sorrow about the coldness of humans.
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Yessir, anybody who doesn't submit to a vaccine, drug, or medical test or procedure is selfish, inconsiderate, cold & cruel. And they don't care about others - 'cuz you say so.
By the way, when was your last TB test? Tuberculosis is airborne. If you don't get one every time you leave your house, you are selfish, cold & cruel. And you're spreading a deadly disease.
How about your Smallpox booster?
Meningitis Vaccine?
Here's a partial list of highly-contagious diseases you could be spreading to others due to your selfishness & refusal to get tested & vaccinated:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacci... and serious,, tuberculosis, and yellow fever.
 
win231 said:
Yessir, anybody who doesn't submit to a vaccine, drug, or medical test or procedure is selfish, inconsiderate, cold & cruel. And they don't care about others - 'cuz you say so.
By the way, when was your last TB test? Tuberculosis is airborne. If you don't get one every time you leave your house, you are selfish, cold & cruel. And you're spreading a deadly disease.
How about your Smallpox booster?
Meningitis Vaccine?
Here's a partial list of highly-contagious diseases you could be spreading to others due to your selfishness & refusal to get tested & vaccinated:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine-preventable_diseases#:~:text=The most common and serious,, tuberculosis, and yellow fever.
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