What are your thoughts on abortion?

The subject of Abortion always seems to be looking at the Woman's perspective and actions. However, the last time I checked it takes a Male to initiate the entire process. Far too many of our children are being born to women who have been abandoned by the child's father. Many of these women probably feel desperation concerning their ability to afford to raise a child, and give that child the support it needs....and thus, see abortion as their best alternative.

I would love to see far stronger laws forcing Men to assume the responsibility for their actions. With DNA tests, etc., determining the father should be a minor issue. If these "Walking Sperm Banks" refuse to step up to the plate, and at least provide decent Child Support, they should be given a Free Vasectomy. If some people want to live like rabbits, that is their option....but I don't see where society has any obligation to "Subsidize" their animal habits.
 
I tell you what although I am not for abortion.but in this circumstances I was all for it then.. my story of why ? when I was left a widow.. I was raped by a fellow and from this I fell pregnant..

what can I do I thought.?. gee my husband just passed away 6 months earlier and I gave birth to a son just 3 months after David died.I was only 23 ? and 2 months after that I came home and a man was in my little cabi, he was a friend of my mothers.. it was scary for sure.. I thought he would kill me and my two littlies.. he raped me, belted me up .. because I wouldn`t go out with him.. and said don`t you ever mention this to a soul nor your mother as I`ll be watching you and you will be sorry you mentioned it .. so I wished I was able to then have an abortion..

no one to talk to and no one to ask for advice, my mother would not have believed me at all and would have called me a tramp.. I felt ashamed.. I waited till 6 weeks and thought I`ll have to go to a doc and see what I can do, as I knew I was pregnant. as I walked everywhere with my two . the baby in a pram..it was so hard pushing up the hill and lo and behold I miss-carried.. what a blessing in disguise, I then had to go to a doc and he put me in hospital for a little while, I had to report it but still I wouldn`t say who did it as I didn`t know him.,

my mother had to look after the children and thought I had to have a little work done after my son was born she never knew the truth.. then after I came home I thought what do others do in this same situation.? . so yes in some circumstances I believe in abortion! you would live with contemp and the baby would not really be felt in the same way that you would feel for your child and also for sanity and well being... no way could I ever have faced living being pregnant and having a little fellow 6 mths old.and give birth to a new baby.. why , how , where did that one come from ?.

my mother wondered what had happened to my face as it was bashed about I said ohh I fell down the stairs.. too ashamed to tell her any thing.. life is strange in some ways, I just wished I had my mothers support in all things and could talk to her about everything but I couldn`t .. so had to bear it all on my own, but tell you what it made me tougher.. and I got through it all .
 
How courageous of you to share your story. I cannot imagine how difficult a time it was for you. You did what was best for you and your children. Thanks again for sharing.
 
Rainee said:
I tell you what although I am not for abortion.but in this circumstances I was all for it then.. my story of why ? when I was left a widow.. I was raped by a fellow and from this I fell pregnant..
what can I do I thought.?. gee my husband just passed away 6 months earlier and I gave birth to a son just 3 months after David died.I was only 23 ? and 2 months after that I came home and a man was in my little cabi, he was a friend of my mothers.. it was scary for sure.. I thought he would kill me and my two littlies.. he raped me, belted me up .. because I wouldn`t go out with him.. and said don`t you ever mention this to a soul nor your mother as I`ll be watching you and you will be sorry you mentioned it .. so I wished I was able to then have an abortion.. no one to talk to and no one to ask for advice, my mother would not have believed me at all and would have called me a tramp.. I felt ashamed.. I waited till 6 weeks and thought I`ll have to go to a doc and see what I can do, as I knew I was pregnant. as I walked everywhere with my two . the baby in a pram..it was so hard pushing up the hill and lo and behold I miss-carried.. what a blessing in disguise, I then had to go to a doc and he put me in hospital for a little while, I had to report it but still I wouldn`t say who did it as I didn`t know him., my mother had to look after the children and thought I had to have a little work done after my son was born she never knew the truth.. then after I came home I thought what do others do in this same situation.? . so yes in some circumstances I believe in abortion! you would live with contemp and the baby would not really be felt in the same way that you would feel for your child and also for sanity and well being... no way could I ever have faced living being pregnant and having a little fellow 6 mths old.and give birth to a new baby.. why , how , where did that one come from ?. my mother wondered what had happened to my face as it was bashed about I said ohh I fell down the stairs.. too ashamed to tell her any thing.. life is strange in some ways, I just wished I had my mothers support in all things and could talk to her about everything but I couldn`t .. so had to bear it all on my own, but tell you what it made me tougher.. and I got through it all .
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That's hard Rainee...but you came out the other side..well done..

I knew a girl with learning difficulties...she had been raped twice by fellow inmates of a ''safe house''..

She was a Catholic..abortion was out of the question for her...she gave birth to a girl first and a boy afterwards..

I often wondered how she actually felt about the children..as she kept them with the aid of her family..

I know it's not the children's fault..but you'd be reminded of your rapists every time you looked at them...:(
 
We all have to live with some decisions and it is not for any of us to judge.

Rainee has just given us one of the reasons why. I never had an abortion myself but I once tried to terminate a pregnancy with pills. Fortunately the pills were not intended for that purpose but I was only 19 years old and unmarried and I was ashamed. I was lucky though. My family stood by me, I married my boyfriend and we were able to keep our baby daughter when she arrived. It could have been otherwise if I did not have that love and support.

Not only is it the woman's right to decide (choose makes it sound much too easy; it's not at all easy) it is no-one's right to judge and condemn.

Thank you, Rainee, for revealing the pain behind the decisions that women must sometimes make.
 
The government should stay the heck out of the abortion issue. It's private and it's between a woman and her doctor. As has been stated over and over, no one knows the circumstances of an individual and what leads her to the decision. People wanting smaller government have no problem with it extending into everyone's bedroom and uterus. No problem with investigating each and every miscarriage and with demanding prison sentences for women having an abortion.

AND if the hypocrisy wasn't blatant enough.. The same group of people who exalt the fetus couldn't care less about it once it is born. The mother becomes the worthless tramp who got knocked up and the baby is considered HER problem. Cuts are made to food stamps and free childcare which would enable a woman to work. Cuts are made to education and healthcare for uninsured kids. IMO.. if Society is going to mandate each pregnancy be carried to term... it better damn well be willing to care for the children that are born. But all we hear about is the lazy poor.. and why don't they get off their asses and get a job.. Kids?? Seriously??
 
Until a while ago..getting pregnant here was a life style..

Free housing..benefits..

I knew a lady who had 6...lived in a 5 bed house...
 
Oh yes.... the Welfare Queens! Raking in the dough.. living high off the hog.. Everyone KNOWS a person who knows a person who is soaking the taxpayer for a fortune... in reality....

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I am very grateful I never was in a position to even think about having an abortion. A friend of mind however found herself in that position. Her first child was born with a genetic problem. The little girl lived a very short life filled with pain. She passed away at 2 yrs old. My friend decided never to have another child. Unfortunately she did get pregnant again 6 yrs later. They tested the baby and sadly it had the same gene. So my friend had an abortion. I felt she made the right decision. I would never condemn anyone for making that choice.
 
The government should stay the heck out of the abortion issue. It's private and it's between a woman and her doctor. As has been stated over and over, no one knows the circumstances of an individual and what leads her to the decision. People wanting smaller government have no problem with it extending into everyone's bedroom and uterus.

Very well said...you have my vote. I can't add much more to it except to say that we have to remind our daughters and grandkids, great grandkids, any young women we know that they have an obligation to keep up the fight for choice. Girls who were born decades after Roe v. Wade don't remember the era of coat hangers and all the women who died. They don't realize all the looney tunes trying to chip away at access to safe legal abortion. It's one of the heart breaking choices a woman has to ever make...don't punish her on top of that. She shouldn't have to travel three states away, or have a fetus development lecture or a mandated waiting period. It should be a woman's right across the board.
 
Oh, great, here we go again. It's not enough to start controversial NEW threads, now we've got to go raking up old ones.

Doesn't anyone have anything positive -- and interesting -- to post about?
 
Guitarist said:
Oh, great, here we go again. It's not enough to start controversial NEW threads, now we've got to go raking up old ones.

Doesn't anyone have anything positive -- and interesting -- to post about?
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So us new members are required to check the archives before we discuss something on our minds? Just because the topic was discussed three years ago, all is settled and no other opinions are welcome?

Kind of takes the meaning away from being a "Discussion"forum doesn't it!

And on topic, I will have an opinion on abortion when I become a 15 year old poverty stricken pregnant girl!
 
Guitarist said:
Oh, great, here we go again. It's not enough to start controversial NEW threads, now we've got to go raking up old ones.

Doesn't anyone have anything positive -- and interesting -- to post about?
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There is NOTHING wrong with controversial threads... nor is there anything wrong with bringing up old threads for discussion. What is wrong is someone trying to police what can be discussed and what can't.
 
Late term abortions are generally never used because a woman simply doesn't want the baby.. You won't see 8 or 9 month pregnant women waddling into an abortion clinic and demanding an abortion because she woke up that morning and decided she didn't want to be pregnant any more.. That is the nonsense some anti-choice groups would have you believe. No.. late term abortion is for termination of a pregnancy that would not culminate into a viable infant.. fetus's with gross abnormalities that would not survive more than a few hours out of the womb.. or in rare instances when continuing the pregnancy would mean death to the mother, child or both.

Generally women KNOW very early whether or not the wish to continue a pregnancy. EPT kits can detect a pregnancy within a week or so of conception. The vast majority of abortions are performed early in the 1st trimester.. This is a woman's right IMO.. and I don't know what I would have done as a pregnant and scared teen.... Since I was terrified of how my parents would have reacted, I may have gone to a back alley butcher... Thankfully women don't have to... but not for lack of trying on the Right.
 
I am against abortion being used as a contraceptive and/or a means of a way out of an unwanted pregnany, but I am more against any legislation which takes this right away from women. There are many scenarios abortion may be a viable option.
 
Robusta said:
So us new members are required to check the archives before we discuss something on our minds? Just because the topic was discussed three years ago, all is settled and no other opinions are welcome?

Kind of takes the meaning away from being a "Discussion"forum doesn't it!

And on topic, I will have an opinion on abortion when I become a 15 year old poverty stricken pregnant girl!
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It appears that there are several new participants on this forum...which is a Good Thing. There is Nothing Wrong with bringing up an old topic that they have not participated in...in fact, new members might have new ideas that were Not presented in the older discussions. Welcome New Members...and Feel Free to express your opinions...and ignore the Old Farts who that might irritate.
 

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