What can the world do to punish Russia?

Yea, keep putting more and more pressure on a man (Putin), put more and more sanctions that make his country unstable,
keep tightening the screws and act surprised when he acts irrational.

He is a tyrant, these people need breathing space, will he be able to tolerate the heat without doing something irrational?

Putin cannot be treated like a normal person, no tyrant is normal-do not be surprised when he does something
that may result in war for all of us.
 

jerry old said:
Yea, keep putting more and more pressure on a man (Putin), put more and more sanctions that make his country unstable,
keep tightening the screws and act surprised when he acts irrational.

He is a tyrant, these people need breathing space, will he be able to tolerate the heat without doing something irrational?

Putin cannot be treated like a normal person, no tyrant is normal-do not be surprised when he does something
that may result in war for all of us.
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I presented this in another thread. In history what happened to Adolf Hitler when the pressure got the best of him and things all started crumbling and deteriorating around him? He lost it and committed suicide. We have all compared this man to Hitler in many ways and one being the way he thinks. He will reach his limit where things will start really falling apart for him and his country. It is already beginning, but it will get much worse. Once that occurs watch his actions also slowly deteriorate which I believe will lead to his own destruction.
 
The International Olympic Committee (IOC) on Monday recommended that all Russian and Belarusian athletes be temporarily barred from competition.

In a statement, the IOC made a recommendation regarding "the dilemma the Olympic Movement is currently facing" due to the Russian invasion of Ukraine. The committee previously told organizations to cancel Russian events.

"In order to protect the integrity of global sports competitions and for the safety of all the participants, the IOC EB recommends that International Sports Federations and sports event organizers not invite or allow the participation of Russian and Belarusian athletes and officials in international competitions," the organization wrote.

In addition to the ban, the IOC showed support for those protesting the invasion.

https://www.newsweek.com/ioc-calls-worldwide-ban-all-russian-belarusian-athletes-1683215
 
RadishRose said:
The International Olympic Committee (IOC) on Monday recommended that all Russian and Belarusian athletes be temporarily barred from competition.

In a statement, the IOC made a recommendation regarding "the dilemma the Olympic Movement is currently facing" due to the Russian invasion of Ukraine. The committee previously told organizations to cancel Russian events.

"In order to protect the integrity of global sports competitions and for the safety of all the participants, the IOC EB recommends that International Sports Federations and sports event organizers not invite or allow the participation of Russian and Belarusian athletes and officials in international competitions," the organization wrote.

In addition to the ban, the IOC showed support for those protesting the invasion.

https://www.newsweek.com/ioc-calls-worldwide-ban-all-russian-belarusian-athletes-1683215
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Fifa and UEFA has also kicked out all Russian National Teams and clubs from World Cup and other competitions.
 
The economic sanctions are starting to bite

As Russian President Vladimir Putin wages war against Ukraine, his country’s economy has begun to collapse under the weight of unprecedented penalties from the Biden administration, United Kingdom, European Union and other major economic players.

“Everyone in the economic sphere, the banking sphere, knows we’re in new territory here—a coordinated shutdown of a country’s economy with the strongest arrow being in the heart of the banking sector,” said George Lopez, expert on economic sanctions at University of Notre Dame’s Keough School of Global Affairs.

The value of the ruble plunged Monday after the U.S and its allies took action to cut the Russian government off from roughly $600 billion in reserves held by the Central Bank of Russia and further cut Russia’s ties to the global financial system.

The Western bloc banned most transactions with the Russian central bank — along with Russia’s finance ministry and foreign investment fund — blocking Putin from funds he stowed away for years to cushion the blow of sanctions. The sanctions also cut off Russian access to the U.S. dollar, the linchpin of the global financial system, as its value climbs amid global tumult.

The U.S. and EU are also barring certain Russian banks from access to the Society for Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunication (SWIFT), a messaging system used by banks to conduct transactions.

Roughly $300 billion of Russia’s reserves are now locked away from Putin in the U.S., Europe, and other allied countries. While Russia still holds billions of dollars worth of gold within its borders, experts say Moscow will find few willing buyers with its banks under their own crushing sanctions.

“The problem is they can’t convert it into something useful if other people aren’t willing to deal with them,” said Derek Tang, co-founder and economist at research firm Monetary Policy Analytics.

“They own it, but they can't use it.”

Without access to its reserves, the Russian government has resorted to desperate measures to keep its economy and financial sector afloat. The Russian central bank hiked its baseline interest rate to 20 percent and banned the sale of securities held by foreigners to prevent the ruble from collapsing further.

Russia also urged foreign financial firms to join a SWIFT alternative, but has seen few takers with the threat of sanctions hanging over countries who don’t toe the Western line.

Russia may ultimately be powerless to prevent bank runs, skyrocketing inflation and deep, long-term economic damage. And while the U.S. and EU have made some exemptions meant to limit the damage to Russia, experts say the implications could ripple though global markets.

While the U.S. has previously targeted the central banks of Venezuela, North Korea and Iran with sanctions, the country has never imposed such strict penalties on an economy the size of Russia’s, nor with the support of so many other nations. Switzerland imposing sanctions on Russia is also a massive blow to Moscow and a major turning point for a historically neutral country with a major presence in financial markets.

“This is unprecedented, you have never seen this level of coordinated action this quickly. It’s true there have been other countries subjected to other measures, but that took time,” said David Wolff, partner at Crowell & Moring in the International Trade practice group specializing in compliance with U.S. economic sanctions.

Russian gross domestic product was roughly $1.5 trillion in 2020, making its economy slightly smaller than the state of New York’s. But Russia produces considerable proportions of the global supply of petroleum, natural gas, wheat and certain metals, giving it key leverage over Western adversaries.

“For the U.S., we’re fairly insulated but I think in Europe it is going to be extremely serious,” Tang said, adding the sanctions could be “extremely disruptive” for eastern and central European countries with closer economic ties to Russia.

Europe in particular depends heavily on Russian oil and natural gas exports, which has made European leaders wary of strict economic sanctions on Russia. If Putin responds with limits on Russian energy and food exports, he could force rising prices even higher while reaping the benefits of surging demand.

While the U.S. is a net exporter of energy, a spike in demand for American oil and natural gas could also push gas prices higher in the states after rising 40 percent in the past 12 months. A surge in gas prices could put a deeper dent in Biden’s approval rating, which has plunged as inflation spiked.

The U.S. and its allies sought to limit the blowback by exempting energy-related payments from the sanctions imposed so far. Those carveouts not only shield the Western bloc from rising energy prices, but preserves some of their economic leverage after already imposing strict penalties.

“While Russia’s economy is significantly smaller than ours, they do have the potentiality of retaliating certainly with Russian import bans of Western goods and Western services. So the possibility of Western countries and Western businesses facing bans against exporting their products to Russia could pop up here,” said Eric Ueland, the under secretary of State for civilian security, democracy and human rights under former President Trump.

Ueland said that while sanctions will have impacts that are immediate, others will take months to have a full impact.

“Some of these impacts are more midrange, so as we interrupt Russia’s ability to transact business on energy production and its operations ... the short term price impact might not be as pronounced as you would see in three to six months as the real bite of this becomes clear,” Ueland added.

Even so, Russia has few options or willing allies to help loosen the stranglehold on its economy created by sanctions. Tang noted that while China and Russia have developed close economic ties, some Chinese banks are already pushing back on processing transactions for Russian oil companies.

“Chinese banks have traditionally been actually quite wary of running afoul of U.S. sanctions,” Tang said.

https://thehill.com/policy/finance/59614...an-economy
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Signe The Survivor said:
I presented this in another thread. In history what happened to Adolf Hitler when the pressure got the best of him and things all started crumbling and deteriorating around him? He lost it and committed suicide. We have all compared this man to Hitler in many ways and one being the way he thinks. He will reach his limit where things will start really falling apart for him and his country. It is already beginning, but it will get much worse. Once that occurs watch his actions also slowly deteriorate which I believe will lead to his own destruction.
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I think his days are numbered whether by suicide, a coup, or as a casualty of WWIII. The worry is how much destruction he'll unleash on the world before he dies.
 
AnnieA said:
I think his days are numbered whether by suicide, a coup, or as a casualty of WWIII. The worry is how much destruction he'll unleash on the world before he dies.
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The sad thing he and his army will do destruction, but just like Hitler he will go too far and come up against something that he cannot defeat and that will either end him by suicide or someone will kill him.
 
Signe The Survivor said:
The sad thing he and his army will do destruction, but just like Hitler he will go too far and come up against something that he cannot defeat and that will either end him by suicide or someone will kill him.
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The problem now, due to modern technology he can create critical damage on the world very much more quickly than Hitler ever could .....Chemical warfare, cyber warfare, Operational warfare.. so many terrible things can be wreaked on the world if he's not removed from his position of power very quickly
 
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hollydolly said:
The problem now, due to modern technology he can create critical damage on the world very much more quickly than Hitler ever could .....Chemical warfare, cyber warfare, Operational warfare.. so many terrible things can be wreaked on the world if he's not removed from his position of power very quickly
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I agree with you. I think the man is insane, but when speaking about chemical/nuclear warfare I would hope that like with any country there are other people in his system that are in a better mindset that could ultimately override something such as that decision. Sure he is the President, but a decision such as that power which results is total disaster could be over ridden. I would hope that decision is not left in the hands of just one person it push that button. I know when there were talks about our recent past President using those sorts of tactics, I did not believe one bit that a decision of that magnitude would be just left to him if even those things were even true. I think the same can be said for any country even North Korea who has used them to shoot them off into the ocean which is horrible enough because that starts things like Tsunamis and Earthquakes, but for that President to use those weapons towards another country it would be like committing world suicide. That to me is not something just one man can make a decision on and even in that country, I wouldn't think it would be just left up to him.
 
Signe The Survivor said:
I agree with you. I think the man is insane, but when speaking about chemical/nuclear warfare I would hope that like with any country there are other people in his system that are in a better mindset that could ultimately override something such as that decision. Sure he is the President, but a decision such as that power which results is total disaster could be over ridden. I would hope that decision is not left in the hands of just one person it push that button. I know when there were talks about our recent past President using those sorts of tactics, I did not believe one bit that a decision of that magnitude would be just left to him if even those things were even true. I think the same can be said for any country even North Korea who has used them to shoot them off into the ocean which is horrible enough because that starts things like Tsunamis and Earthquakes, but for that President to use those weapons towards another country it would be like committing world suicide. That to me is not something just one man can make a decision on and even in that country, I wouldn't think it would be just left up to him.
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yes I agree with you and I would desperately hope that you we're right , however we're thinking with a western head and not an Eastern European Government head..and they've always been unstable and willing to carry out their President's orders without too many questions for fear of repercussions on themselves and their families ...
 
hollydolly said:
yes I agree with you and I would desperately hope that you we're right , however we're thinking with a western head and not an Eastern European Government head..and they've always been unstable and willing to carry out their President's orders without too many questions for fear of repercussions on themselves and their families ...
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Yes I understand that our views are quite different then those of the Eastern European Government, but as we have seen with the thousands of regular people in Russia who have already protested over this inhuman attack on Ukraine and Putin himself that there are many upon many people who are against this. I would hope and I do think there are some in the high up government that are against this, but they need to stand up against it as well. I understand why they are extremely afraid to do so because most of those who do are imprisoned or even killed. This even happened with Hitler. There was even a plot to kill Hitler in July of 1944.
 
Signe The Survivor said:
I presented this in another thread. In history what happened to Adolf Hitler when the pressure got the best of him and things all started crumbling and deteriorating around him? He lost it and committed suicide. We have all compared this man to Hitler in many ways and one being the way he thinks. He will reach his limit where things will start really falling apart for him and his country. It is already beginning, but it will get much worse. Once that occurs watch his actions also slowly deteriorate which I believe will lead to his own destruction.
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Hitler had a considerable number of mental health issues...List of alleged disorders. There are also reports of Hilter using Cocaine and opiates.

Putin has always been the rock solid soldier, KGB agent and stoic leader, we may have to wait until God strikes him down.
 
Nathan said:
Sorry in advance, I'm not normally "hawkish" but I think Putin's unequivocal evil is well documented.

I would support deployment of Stealth Bomber flyovers in the skies of Moscow.
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This could be a situation if Putin does take it as far as to start invading other countries such as Finland and Sweden.
 
Nathan said:
Hitler had a considerable number of mental health issues...List of alleged disorders. There are also reports of Hilter using Cocaine and opiates.

Putin has always been the rock solid soldier, KGB agent and stoic leader, we may have to wait until God strikes him down.
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I feel Putin though does have some delusions and maybe it might be his huge ego just taking over that he can just conquer anything. That might be his demise. Sooner or later he is going to bite off more than he can chew.
 
This is the astonishing moment dozens of diplomats from around the world today walked out during a speech by Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov at a Geneva disarmament conference in protest against Moscow's invasion of Ukraine.

Diplomats from countries including Britain, United States and France stood up and filed out of the room when Lavrov's pre-recorded video message to the U.N. Human Rights Council began to play.

During his speech, the foreign minister blamed Ukraine for the war and claimed Kyiv has been seeking to acquire nuclear weapons - a 'real danger' that required a Russian response.

But Lavrov delivered his speech to a thin crowd after dozens of diplomats staged a walk-out to protest Russia's invasion of Ukraine as they did at a parallel U.N. meeting in Geneva on Tuesday.

They stood in a circle outside the meeting for the duration of Lavrov's speech, holding a Ukrainian flag. Lavrov was supposed to attend the session in person but the visit was cancelled at the last minute, with Moscow blaming 'anti-Russian sanctions' imposed by EU countries.

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Diplomats from countries including Britain, United States and France stood up and filed out of the room when Lavrov's pre-recorded video message to the U.N. Human Rights Council began to play

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The diplomats stood in a circle outside the meeting for the duration of Lavrov's speech, holding a Ukrainian flag,

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...nister-says-Russia-forced-invade-Ukraine.html
 
Signe The Survivor said:
I agree with you. I think the man is insane, but when speaking about chemical/nuclear warfare I would hope that like with any country there are other people in his system that are in a better mindset that could ultimately override something such as that decision. Sure he is the President, but a decision such as that power which results is total disaster could be over ridden. I would hope that decision is not left in the hands of just one person it push that button. I know when there were talks about our recent past President using those sorts of tactics, I did not believe one bit that a decision of that magnitude would be just left to him if even those things were even true. I think the same can be said for any country even North Korea who has used them to shoot them off into the ocean which is horrible enough because that starts things like Tsunamis and Earthquakes, but for that President to use those weapons towards another country it would be like committing world suicide. That to me is not something just one man can make a decision on and even in that country, I wouldn't think it would be just left up to him.
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I don't believe Russia or North Korea have Western style constraints on Putin or Kim Jong-un, or on their ability to command their military.
These men don't brook much policy disagreement by their advisors. Naysayers disappear quickly.
By all accounts, Un has absolute power.

The world would be a safer place were this not true.
 
How about if Neil Young and Joni Mitchell forbid their music from being played over Russian airwaves? Boy oh boy, that’d show Mr Putin that musicians are certainly against his actions! It’s time that somebody get tough on this and put an end to the suffering so we can be the happy, shiny world we were hoping to be after Covid was no longer a thing! Phooey!
 
StarSong said:
I don't believe Russia or North Korea have Western style constraints on Putin or Kim Jong-un, or on their ability to command their military.
These men don't brook much policy disagreement by their advisors. Naysayers disappear quickly.
By all accounts, Un has absolute power.

The world would be a safer place were this not true.
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Ultimate power, I don't think there is a single person who owns that. They may believe they do, but if things got that crazy there would be too many naysayers to make disappear quickly. In the case of Kim Jong -un it is very difficult to determine what really goes on there, but I would hope if he decided to destroy the world many even in his own country would rise against that and him. Do you really think people want there existence to end by one crazy person making a decision? I highly doubt many do.
 
Chris P Bacon said:
How about if Neil Young and Joni Mitchell forbid their music from being played over Russian airwaves? Boy oh boy, that’d show Mr Putin that musicians are certainly against his actions! It’s time that somebody get tough on this and put an end to the suffering so we can be the happy, shiny world we were hoping to be after Covid was no longer a thing! Phooey!
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Maybe the band R.E.M. can go over there and perform this song and things will become as you say a happy, shiny world.

 
Nosy Bee-54 said:
All this sets a precedent. It's knee jerked and feel good decisions. What do these competitors (tennis, gymnastics, soccer, etc.) have to do with their government? They have no influence on what Putin does.
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I agree with you that it is sad for these athletes(most of which are probably against this) that they have to be affected by their governments and Presidents actions. This sort of thing has happened for decades where countries have pulled out of the Olympics including the United States boycotting the 1980 Summer Olympics when the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan.
 

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