What's With All The Suicides?

I do not believe that antidepressants cause suicides -- if anything, I believe they may prevent many of them.
Any drug has side effects, even aspirin. For clinically depressed people, despair is the killer. Not all antidepressants agree with each individual. After trial and error, Paxil was the one for me. Without it, I would have died.
 

It's when people who find their life unbearable don't feel like they can reach out to get help that they consider suicide. My son-in-law's 19-year-old son (from his first marriage) took his life last year. I don't know for sure what would have worked as far as his case. But I believe that it might have certainly helped if everyone involved in his life had made it clear that it's okay to talk about feelings of failure and shame. For example, if a kid who always did well in school starts making substandard grade, reach out with love and caring. Not anger, not judgement, just love. Say that if you aren't making good grades now, it can be handled, because we're all going to find out what's wrong and help you. You just need to talk to us. Then if necessary, get the person counseling if the level of his/her depression requires it. The antidepressants...blaming them doesn't work. That's like saying just don't be depressed. That never worked in my life. Twice in my life I got the treatment I needed and yes, antidepressants and counseling helped me to get through it. Because the problems were very serious in those two times of my life. Other times, I was able to work things out myself and slowly get better with just the help of my true friends.
Wise wise words.
 
About 10yrs ago my cousin who was only 40yrs old committed suicide. The family was shocked because she had so much going for her. First of all she was beautiful, had her own very successful business .and was very well liked. The only problem she had was she found out her husband had been cheating on her which is devastating. After they were separated for a year he told her he wanted a divorce. Unfortunately she had become involved with a Scientologist. He told her that if she committed suicide she would come back to a better life. The day before she took her life she emptied her safety deposit box and gave him $50.000. The house was set up with everything facing the door. She had on a beautiful negligee and she Hung herself. According to the coroner someone had to be there with her to help her. Her neighbors saw the scientologists car outside her house the day she did it. It was truly heartbreaking for our entire family. What sticks in my mind was she was buried on Valentine's day and her husband brought her flowers to the funeral . Knowing my cousin I thought to myself that at least she got flowers from the man she loved on Valentines Day. It still breaks my heart when I think of her.
 

One reason is we live in an instant gratification world. We also have those that seek help on social media where nuts and loonies hang out.
 
About 10yrs ago my cousin who was only 40yrs old committed suicide. The family was shocked because she had so much going for her. First of all she was beautiful, had her own very successful business .and was very well liked. The only problem she had was she found out her husband had been cheating on her which is devastating. After they were separated for a year he told her he wanted a divorce. Unfortunately she had become involved with a Scientologist. He told her that if she committed suicide she would come back to a better life. The day before she took her life she emptied her safety deposit box and gave him $50.000. The house was set up with everything facing the door. She had on a beautiful negligee and she Hung herself. According to the coroner someone had to be there with her to help her. Her neighbors saw the scientologists car outside her house the day she did it. It was truly heartbreaking for our entire family. What sticks in my mind was she was buried on Valentine's day and her husband brought her flowers to the funeral . Knowing my cousin I thought to myself that at least she got flowers from the man she loved on Valentines Day. It still breaks my heart when I think of her.


Did the police not investigate it as a homicide ?
 
The American suicide rate is up 25% since 1999. Several years ago I had a mental flash lasting about three seconds. I came face-to-face with terror. That is the only way I can define it. It was more than evil and more than the devil. I have never had it happen since but if that was a form of depression then then I understand and accept suicide.

very interesting post fmdog44 - strong christians who believe in the protection of Christ would say that they are protected from all evil sources who may attack their mentality as you have described in your 'mental flash' The Screwtape Letters by D.S Lewis are an interesting read of how we may be manipulated and perhaps tempted to suicide. But here I am wandering into the spiritual that some may not consider sane! There are of course many other christian tomes that talk of this topic 'suicide' and recommend the "cloak of Christ" as a protection. If one considers that there is "good and evil" in this world and this has clearly been portrayed by the christian psychiatrist Dr M.Scott Peck in his book "People of the Lie"

https://inthelimelight.net/some-people-are-evil-thoughts-on-m-scott-pecks-people-of-the-lie/

then perhaps we may all be tempted to evilness both to others and ourselves - the ultimate being suicide?

and as a postscript - the greatest evil I recall is Hitler and the destruction he caused to the Jews and his own peoples and what did he do in the end - " committed suicide of course!
 
Interesting, gumbud, because yesterday when I was feeling rather down, something came over me and I saw myself as a young child and I felt the strength of that young person that I was born as, and it just filled me with so much love, hope and joy that I cried tears for some time with the realization of who I really was. The only thing that bothers me about C.S. Lewis is that he says that only believers in Christ can be saved. I just can't go with that. Otherwise, he is an inspiration to me. Now you've got me interested in reading Peck's "People of the Lie". I've heard of it already many years ago, but never did get into it.

Hitler in the end was a weasley coward and always was except when he thought it would make him look good and build up his ego with praise from others. A very little, little man.
 
try Neale Donald Walsch and is books on 'conversations with God' - I think in the first book when he is conversing with God it was said "even Hitler went to heaven" Perhaps we all need a focus in our lives and you just then Olivia you described a 'focus' that came over you.

Christianity 'that is the new testament' not particularly the old gives us the ability to focus which humans often lose sight of. I think there are many young people; middle aged and older who have lost a focus and so wander aimlessly through life looking for the meaning of. But for me the greatest thing about Christ and his 'teachings' is the emphasis on 'compassion' for others from the 'good samaritan' story to his sacrifice on the cross.

Compassion for me is the main theme. It's the ability to not only 'feel' compassion for others but to put it into action of some kind - whether helping the lonely ones in your community - or working at the local Salvation Army shelter - whatever - it's the ability to stop only thinking about ourselves and reach out to others. You can have compassion of course without Christ - but he is a focal point - the Buddhists also major on compassion - helping our travelling companions when needed but not over-helping! and I am sure the other major religions have similar themes.

where is heaven and who runs it is a puzzle none of us really know but some claim to! My motto in life " be kind and helpful and offer to help from time to time and push away selfishness" that was after all the 'Christ story' My kind of religion is 'welcoming all' not 'being exclusive'.

ps: now you've got me started - there is a great movement started in the UK where people join a local 'helping club' and are sent out to help the elderly and the lonely with all aspects of their lives where necessary - can't remember the name right now - but it has reduced the number of visits to "GP's and emergency units because often people just went their with minor ailments and the main one was loneliness!
 
Gumbud, you get me, which is a breath of fresh air. Half my family are Shin Buddhists. And I love reading Thich Nhat Hanh.

I'm interested in reading his book "Living Budddha, Living Christ: 20 Anniversary Edition".
 
well although not a fully fledged buddhist ; I practiced their mindful meditation weekly for a number of years at a temple here in OZ. MY Dil is thai and a practicing buddhist and used to come with me each week to the local temple. read a lot of their stuff from their own library and I think their concept of Nirvana is another way of saying ' we're not sure where God or heaven is"!
 
yes he is a very challenging character - his story of his 'conversion' is an amazing one - must start reading him again as I have half a dozen of his tomes - seem to have lost the practice of mindful reading these days!!
 
well although not a fully fledged buddhist ; I practiced their mindful meditation weekly for a number of years at a temple here in OZ. MY Dil is thai and a practicing buddhist and used to come with me each week to the local temple. read a lot of their stuff from their own library and I think their concept of Nirvana is another way of saying ' we're not sure where God or heaven is"!

This is nice. Buddhism is probably the closest religion I relate to. I also used to meditate a lot but unfortunately got out of the habit. I’d very much like to get back into it. Maybe you could start a thread about it for some of us to follow. That would be very cool!
I did not realize that that was the meaning of Nirvana. I like religion that admit to ‘not knowing.’ In my mind, there is far more we don’t know than we do.
 
Kindness is my religion. I strongly believe in the chain of helping hands, figuratively or otherwise. Love is a verb, and a choice. It is the only thing that has ever made sense of the things I endured while young. Even broken healers have a place. For some of my suicidal clients, the fact that I have survived gives them hope. We stand witness for each other. I am humbled by their presence, and their trust.
 
that's the way Shalimar - the buddhists say that we suffer from "the chattering of the monkeys in our heads" and that meditation calms them down!!
 
we're not sure where God or heaven is"!
well that was MY take on it!! well I could certainly do my take on doing what I learned which I think was theravada type buddhism - thai style - it's a very easy one in one way - but alas as why all know it is also very difficult because of our chattering monkey - and 'busy' lives! my wife complains if I am not doing something all the time - like cleaning the house ; gardening ; re-painting ; rat catching etc - but I keep busy in my own relaxed way often sitting in front of the pc talking to people - I can live in organized chaos and some dust about the place! We don't need to be and shouldn't be busy all day - right??
 
well that was MY take on it!! well I could certainly do my take on doing what I learned which I think was theravada type buddhism - thai style - it's a very easy one in one way - but alas as why all know it is also very difficult because of our chattering monkey - and 'busy' lives! my wife complains if I am not doing something all the time - like cleaning the house ; gardening ; re-painting ; rat catching etc - but I keep busy in my own relaxed way often sitting in front of the pc talking to people - I can live in organized chaos and some dust about the place! We don't need to be and shouldn't be busy all day - right??
I have a busy career, need time every day to listen to the silence.
 


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