And the shootings go on and on , and on, and on...

While the United States does have an unusually high rate of gun violence and mass shootings for a highly developed and wealthy nation, it is a common misconception it is the worst country in the world in terms of mass shooting rates. The truth of the matter is that the United States is actually number sixty-six on the list of countries in terms of mass shooting rates per capita, but they have had more mass shootings than any other country in terms of overall numbers.

That finding rings true when all countries around the world are taken into consideration. Looking at the United States alongside all the countries in Europe alone, the United States has the twelfth highest mass shooting rate. A few of the European countries with a higher mass shooting rate per capita than the United States include Russia, Norway, France, Switzerland and Finland.

It certainly seems that the United States has the highest mass shootings rate of all the land, but this has been proven untrue. In recent years, the Crime Prevention Research Center released information regarding the annual death rates as a result of mass shootings around the world. The countries that were looked at in this data analysis were...

Mass Shootings By Country 2019
Comparing stats beats speculation, stats are part of the information in that URL. Note where Canada is.

As for me pizza qualifies as junk food. While tasty the junk food calories just don't fit my idea a way of staying healthy
 
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In recent years, the Crime Prevention Research Center released information regarding the annual death rates as a result of mass shootings around the world
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We might be just bad aims

Knight said:
the United States has the twelfth highest mass shooting rate. A few of the European countries with a higher mass shooting rate per capita than the United States include Russia, Norway, France, Switzerland and Finland.
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I heard that bad pizza is rife in those countries
I noticed Italy is quite low in the ratings
 

Knight said:
While the United States does have an unusually high rate of gun violence and mass shootings for a highly developed and wealthy nation, it is a common misconception it is the worst country in the world in terms of mass shooting rates. The truth of the matter is that the United States is actually number sixty-six on the list of countries in terms of mass shooting rates per capita, but they have had more mass shootings than any other country in terms of overall numbers.

That finding rings true when all countries around the world are taken into consideration. Looking at the United States alongside all the countries in Europe alone, the United States has the twelfth highest mass shooting rate. A few of the European countries with a higher mass shooting rate per capita than the United States include Russia, Norway, France, Switzerland and Finland.

It certainly seems that the United States has the highest mass shootings rate of all the land, but this has been proven untrue. In recent years, the Crime Prevention Research Center released information regarding the annual death rates as a result of mass shootings around the world. The countries that were looked at in this data analysis were...

Mass Shootings By Country 2019
Comparing stats beats speculation, stats are part of the information in that URL. Note where Canada is.

As for me pizza qualifies as junk food. While tasty the junk food calories just don't fit my idea a way of staying healthy
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"There's Lies, damned lies, and statistics."

Besides that, I would never trust a man that doesn't like Pizza.

And here's a link to a rebuttable of your bogus study.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/united-states-lower-death-shootings/
The source of the list is a 2015 article published by the Crime Prevention Research Center (CPRC), a pro-gun rights nonprofit run by economist John Lott. In his research, Lott found that between 2009 and 2015, the number of people killed in a mass shooting in the United States (in relation to the overall population) was lower than it was in several European countries, including Norway, France, Switzerland and Finland.


Our conclusion is that this is accurate based on the CPRC’s definition of a mass shooting, but also extremely misleading. It uses inappropriate statistical methods to obscure the reality that mass shootings are very rare in most countries, so that when they do happen they have an outsized statistical effect. Of the countries chosen by Lott for his analysis, the United States is by some distance the most consistent site of mass shootings.
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Ironically I am not in favor of gun control at all. If it was up to me you would be able to go into any hardware store and buy guns and ammunition just as easily as you could buy a hammer and nails. That being said I find many arguments used by the pro-gun people to justtify their positions to be absurd.
 
Trade said:
"There's Lies, damned lies, and statistics."

Besides that, I would never trust a man that doesn't like Pizza.

And here's a link to a rebuttable of your bogus study.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/united-states-lower-death-shootings/
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Our conclusion is that this is accurate based on the CPRC’s definition of a mass shooting, but also extremely misleading. Misleading is not the same as Our conclusion is that this is accurate based on the CPRC’s definition of a mass shooting.

You may not like the way it was done but that doesn't mean it's a fake.
 
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You may not like the way it was done but that doesn't mean it's a fake.
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It's a crap study. The author of it decided what he wanted the conclusion to be and then manipulated cherry picked data to back into it. I worked for the Florida Department of Transportation for 31 years. I lost count of how many traffic studies I saw that did the exact same thing. In fact, I did a few myself. I can do a study that will say anything you want it to. So don't try to bullshit a bullshitter.
 
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You may not like the way it was done but that doesn't mean it's a fake.
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You'll be hard pressed to find any other study that agrees with yours. I agree with Trade, the study you posted manipulated the facts to come to a pre-determined conclusion. The US gun death numbers rival 3rd world countries and are at the very bottom of any 1st world country list.
 
rgp said:
I have every bit as much business telling you to butt out of a thread , as you do suggesting gun owner policy in my country.

I'm not overly sensitive about anything at all. Just fed up with all those that think they know best for us.
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If you check back I have never suggested gun owner policy in your country.
And no regardless of the topic you have no business telling me to butt out of a thread.
That's the moderators job. There is a Report feature that you can use.
 
Keesha said:
WHAT???😏 Not sure where ‘you’ live in particular BUT when I cross the border, I can certainly tell that I’m in the United States and not Canada. Yes we have the same types of junk food places but there’s a distinct difference between the two countries.

Here you go Camper. The top pizza places to go to in Canada which includes wood fired pizza.

https://www.foodnetwork.ca/dining-out/blog/12-best-pizza-places-across-canada/35910/
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I gotta get me some Tim Bits!! Tim Hortons coffee is the best!
 
Camper6 said:
Well that is debateable of course. There is a preamble that you cannot ignore. The reason for allowing the right is clear.
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You can't go rummaging around in the constitution to find things that you think support your position. The constitution means exactly what it says -- nothing more. If the framers had wanted to restrict firearms to militia members, they would have said so. Because they didn't say so, it means that's not what they meant to do. They were certainly bright and educated enough folks to have been able to construct their language to their intent, had they actually meant to restrict firearms to the militia.
 
Camper6 said:
That Sutherland church shooting is the one that set me off. Killing crying babies execution style still bothers me to this day.
I followed that case. The shooting was taped by the church for the church service and was never shown. It must have been really bad.
Now. The civilian you speak of was an NRA instructor who lived not far away from the church so he did have the same type of weapon but (I'm not sure) the guy was wearing body armor.
When he got there the shooting was all over and the attacker was coming out of the church. He exchanged gunfire with the shooter and the shooter took off in a vehicle and was chased and then crashed or took his own life. That's what I read.
Now what surprised me was that the NRA instructor's daughter investigated the shots and came back from the church and told her father who rushed out.
What I don't get is why she didn't call 911 when she was at the church..
The shooter had his truck parked near the church for a getaway. It was all over at that point.
The guy shouldn't have had a gun in the first place. That would have saved lives.
This was a planned killing and the church was the intended target.
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Stephen Middleford, the civilian, was a plumber who was sleeping at the time because he was on call that night at the hospital where he worked. You can't know that the shooter was finished. He ran for the truck when Mr. Middleford shot at him. Neither you nor I nor anyone else can know what he had planned to do after he left the church, if, in fact he was planning to leave at that point. Shoot up another church? Go on a spree shooting at traffic? Or nothing? We will never know. But what we do know that whatever the shooter was planning to do, Mr. Middleford disrupted his plans, followed him, and led the police to him.
 
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Camper6 said:
If you check back I have never suggested gun owner policy in your country.
And no regardless of the topic you have no business telling me to butt out of a thread.
That's the moderators job. There is a Report feature that you can use.
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You voiced opinion regarding guns/gun sales in this country. In posts #30 & 78 you do indeed indicate what you think we need regarding guns. So yes I have every right to tell you to butt out.....it is none of your business.
 
Butterfly said:
You can't go rummaging around in the constitution to find things that you think support your position. The constitution means exactly what it says -- nothing more. If the framers had wanted to restrict firearms to militia members, they would have said so. Because they didn't say so, it means that's not what they meant to do. They were certainly bright and educated enough folks to have been able to construct their language to their intent, had they actually meant to restrict firearms to the militia.
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Most of them were also slave owners, I don't get too carried away with how intelligent they were.
 
JimW said:
Look over there.....................It's a Canadian trying to talk guns in an American gun thread. How dare he! Is that the diversion you're speaking of?
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Well no actually, it was the reference to slavery...........But twist it how you will.
 
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