In the video and the still frames, the gun is not in anyone's hand. (assuming the still frames are genuine).
IMO, the police are claiming she had a gun in her hand & was pointing it at the window to justify shooting her.
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Texas Cop shoots woman to death inside her own home.
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IMO, the police are claiming she had a gun in her hand & was pointing it at the window to justify shooting her.
Just a figure at best. My guess is since victim didn't react to the cops demands right away he assumed she was a threat. Even after the video is enhanced the officer only had about 2 seconds to focus, think what the object was and what the victim was doing. He over/hyper reacted to a situation I don't think he had time to ascertain.
But the thing that stunned me about the whole scenario/video is yes he/they didn't identify themselves and were the ones going around the property like a prowler. Also as an officer I would've rather had any potential threat approach me in light which they had until they started going around the side.
But the thing that stunned me about the whole scenario/video is yes he/they didn't identify themselves and were the ones going around the property like a prowler. Also as an officer I would've rather had any potential threat approach me in light which they had until they started going around the side.
If the cop in question was so nervous and felt danger about the situation with the door being ajar (and that was why he was called to the scene), then why didn't he call for backup so that one of them could announce themselves making a welfare check. Cops are trained to know how to protect themselves for a possible confrontation with someone inside. A cowardly cop (as he seemed to be) is a very dangerous cop.
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Trade
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This has nothing to do with training. You don't train people to be decent human beings.
This is a problem with Police culture.
They have virtually no accountability to the public.
They have been able to flaunt the law without consequence because any complaint by the public against the police gets investgatd by the police. A fox watching the chicken coop scenario.
What is needed is for each jurisdiction to have a civilian board made up of members of that community that are elected by the community that investigates complaints against the police. The citizens can take their complaints there. And that board needs to have the power to take disciplinary action including firing of the officer if the deem it warranted.
In addition the make up of the police force should be representative of the community they serve. If the community is 50% black, then 50% of the force should be black. No exceptions, no excuses.
This is a problem with Police culture.
They have virtually no accountability to the public.
They have been able to flaunt the law without consequence because any complaint by the public against the police gets investgatd by the police. A fox watching the chicken coop scenario.
What is needed is for each jurisdiction to have a civilian board made up of members of that community that are elected by the community that investigates complaints against the police. The citizens can take their complaints there. And that board needs to have the power to take disciplinary action including firing of the officer if the deem it warranted.
In addition the make up of the police force should be representative of the community they serve. If the community is 50% black, then 50% of the force should be black. No exceptions, no excuses.
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AnnieA
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I agree with Olivia. Way too jumpy.
And I admittedly have no clue about police procedure, but he could've rung the front doorbell or banged on the frame and yelled "Police!" and then taken cover. Odds are, a burglar would run the other way anyhow. If prowling furtively around someone's property looking like a bad guy is proper procedure, then that's a stupid procedure.
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She had no way of knowing he was a police officer, since he didn't announce, and HE had no reasonable right to assume that something awful was going on in the house. The caller didn't say he had heard anything suspicious, he just wondered why her door was open at that hour.
How long should he wait? According to the video, he hadn't even finished saying hands up or whatever it was before he took a shot. And it is undisputed that he did not announce he was a police officer.
God help us all if it is OK for a police officer to just show up in your backyard for a reason unknown to you and shoot you if you happen to move around in your own house.
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Why didn't he use a taser? My brother was a cop in Miami for 25 years and never shot anyone without following procedure. This cop should be charged with murder and her family should sue the police for everything possible. Time for cops to be held accountable for their actions! My opinion only!
Man, that's pretty sound thinking.
Naw, civilians know nothing about stresses, fears, emotional issues concerning cops .
A review board made up of cops from a different state? Retired cops-naw, that wouldn't work.
A review board, leaning that way, but cops will fight to the last bullet!
You guys come with just who the review board consist of...
A review board made up of cops from a different state? Retired cops-naw, that wouldn't work.
A review board, leaning that way, but cops will fight to the last bullet!
You guys come with just who the review board consist of...
fuzzybuddy
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I was wondering how long most spend training for a police position. It was usually about 19 weeks. But what freaked me out was -guess the number of "Police Academies"- 6,200. You have to be ......... kidding me. You mean some little township, which can't afford a snow plow, can have a "police academy"? Good grief. Plus, you give the power of life and death to someone, who has a whole 19 weeks of training from Hooterville Police Academy? ( These are US numbers.)
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Along those lines, I was wondering, shouldn't he have been with a partner, or have back up?
Forgive my ignorance.
I know little of police procedure.
Now, a thread on incarceration, heh, there ain't enough bauds in this forum.
rgp
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"What is needed is for each jurisdiction to have a civilian board made up of members of that community that are elected by the community that investigates complaints against the police. The citizens can take their complaints there. And that board needs to have the power to take disciplinary action including firing of the officer if the deem it warranted. "
Wrong.......every jurisdiction has a chief.....that's his job.
If a person has never been on the street as an officer, there is no way in hell they can begin to understand the stresses come with the job. And have absolutely no understanding of how [they] would deal with them. So how in the world could they have any modicum of understanding how someone else might?
Wrong.......every jurisdiction has a chief.....that's his job.
If a person has never been on the street as an officer, there is no way in hell they can begin to understand the stresses come with the job. And have absolutely no understanding of how [they] would deal with them. So how in the world could they have any modicum of understanding how someone else might?
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In many situations the partner issue is a matter of money...payroll. The tax payers do not want to pay for it [higher tax] And other city agencies hold steadfast to their budget needs, fighting any & every $$ change suggested for the city budget.
Not to sound like a know-it-all....because I am not,...but.....unless you have worked civil-service, you have no idea how cutthroat the budget angling can be.
rgp
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"You keep arguing with everybody!"
"I DO NOT!"
I am asking a question...as a part of discussing/debating the topic & defending my point/opinion....which I stand by. When others bring up a point, that I do not agree with, I counter with my own point.
I am not going to say, oh forgive me, you're right , I'm wrong. Unless I see it in their point.
What ? Am I just supposed to give into you? That'll never happen.
Trade
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I have an understanding of the crap they get away with under the current system.
When I lived in Winter Haven Florida my daughter had black friends. So one night she was giving one of them a ride home and she gets stopped by the cops and they spent a half an hour going through her car searching it becuase the damned racist cops couldn't wrap their heads around the fact that a while kid would be in a black neighborhood at night for any reason other than to buy drugs. Another time she got stopped and questioned and the cop wrote up a ticket for her tag light being out.n I guess that was to cover his ass for making the stop. So she told me about it and I said "OK, I'll fix it" So I went to the auto parts place and got a two bulb pack because that's the only way they sell them. I figured "OK, I'll keep the other one as a spare". But as it turned out I ended up with two spare bulbs because when I went to fix the tag light there was nothing wrong with it.
I tried to convince her to file a complaint against the cop but she was afraid to. Looking back on it she was probably right. Complaining would have just put a target on her back for the cops to be looking for her. When they saw her car around town they could pull that favorite cop trick of following her around until they made her so nervous she makes a mistake. Like that cop in Texas did to Sandra Bland. Followed her around until she got so nervous she changed lanes without signaling. "Stop the presses! Crime of the century! You're busted!"
So she mouthed off to him. Well it's pretty hard not to when you are dealing with a butthole like that. So she ends up in jail for "resisting". And then later on commits "suicide" while she's locked up. Yeah, I buy that alright.
After my daughter got harassed the second time I started noticing when the cops had someone pulled over. And it seemed to me like about 9 times out of 10 it was a black person. An yet the population is only about 25% black.
rgp
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I have an understanding of the crap they get away with under the current system.
When I lived in Winter Haven Florida my daughter had black friends. So one night she was giving one of them a ride home and she gets stopped by the cops and they spent a half an hour going through her car searching it becuase the damned racist cops couldn't wrap their heads around the fact that a while kid would be in a black neighborhood at night for any reason other than to buy drugs. Another time she got stopped and questioned and the cop wrote up a ticket for her tag light being out.n I guess that was to cover his ass for making the stop. So she told me about it and I said "OK, I'll fix it" So I went to the auto parts place and got a two bulb pack because that's the only way they sell them. I figured "OK, I'll keep the other one as a spare". But as it turned out I ended up with two spare bulbs because when I went to fix the tag light there was nothing wrong with it.
I tried to convince her to file a complaint against the cop but she was afraid to. Looking back on it she was probably right. Complaining would have just put a target on her back for the cops to be looking for her. When they saw her car around town they could pull that favorite cop trick of following her around until they made her so nervous she makes a mistake. Like that cop in Texas did to Sandra Bland. Followed her around until she got so nervous she changed lanes without signaling. "Stop the presses! Crime of the century! You're busted!"
So she mouthed off to him. Well it's pretty hard not to when you are dealing with a butthole like that. So she ends up in jail for "resisting". And then later on commits "suicide" while she's locked up. Yeah, I buy that alright.
After my daughter got harassed the second time I started noticing when the cops had someone pulled over. And it seemed to me like about 9 times out of 10 it was a black person. An yet the population is only about 25% black.
Are they [police] always perfect ? Never said they are. But, some things must be seen from their side. They deal, everyday with the dregs of society , they are mistrusted by many, and a large part of these dregs are ready , willing, and able to shoot them at the drop of a hat. They [police] are trying their best to preserve our laws, and in some cases protect us from the bad guys.
Is it a job you would want/take? That is a potential big-mistake maker hanging on your hip. If you had to go to it....would YOU always be 100% ?
BTW, the latest number on black population is just over 12%
A Taser that shoots though glass? Interesting.
Or, perhaps the officer decided she was committing a crime: "Living while black."
I donāt understand why the police searched her car. Did she give her consent? Did the police give a reason for the stop? If so, what was it?I have an understanding of the crap they get away with under the current system.
When I lived in Winter Haven Florida my daughter had black friends. So one night she was giving one of them a ride home and she gets stopped by the cops and they spent a half an hour going through her car searching it becuase the damned racist cops couldn't wrap their heads around the fact that a while kid would be in a black neighborhood at night for any reason other than to buy drugs. Another time she got stopped and questioned and the cop wrote up a ticket for her tag light being out.n I guess that was to cover his ass for making the stop. So she told me about it and I said "OK, I'll fix it" So I went to the auto parts place and got a two bulb pack because that's the only way they sell them. I figured "OK, I'll keep the other one as a spare". But as it turned out I ended up with two spare bulbs because when I went to fix the tag light there was nothing wrong with it.
I tried to convince her to file a complaint against the cop but she was afraid to. Looking back on it she was probably right. Complaining would have just put a target on her back for the cops to be looking for her. When they saw her car around town they could pull that favorite cop trick of following her around until they made her so nervous she makes a mistake. Like that cop in Texas did to Sandra Bland. Followed her around until she got so nervous she changed lanes without signaling. "Stop the presses! Crime of the century! You're busted!"
So she mouthed off to him. Well it's pretty hard not to when you are dealing with a butthole like that. So she ends up in jail for "resisting". And then later on commits "suicide" while she's locked up. Yeah, I buy that alright.
After my daughter got harassed the second time I started noticing when the cops had someone pulled over. And it seemed to me like about 9 times out of 10 it was a black person. An yet the population is only about 25% black.