Tragic Incident - Opinions?

win231

win231

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Here is the scenario (as reported):
A girl is using a restroom stall & becomes frightened when a guy tries to open the door. She tells her father that someone tried to break in to the stall while she was in there. The father beats the guy to death & plea bargains down to an 8-year prison sentence.
I've been in a restroom stall & someone has tried the door - not to break in, but just to use the stall, not knowing I was in there. Sometimes it's hard to see that someone is in there, depending on the design of the stall. I've also experienced the same thing while trying on clothes in a fitting room. Maybe that's what happened in this incident. I think the idiot father's lawyer gave him good advice to plea bargain; he could have been sentenced to 15 years to life.
The title of the article is misleading.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...years-beating-man-death-protect-daughter.html
 

Beating a guy to death because your daughter was frightened is extreme. Could be dad is a malignant hothead and the other guy had a smart mouth he wouldn't stop running.
 
I'm interested in peoples' opinions because the news piece on Facebook had many comments in support of the father's actions. I don't think they interpreted the scenario the way I did.
I think the father is one of those "thug" types who always looks for an excuse for violence.
 

win231 said:
I'm interested in peoples' opinions because the news piece on Facebook had many comments in support of the father's actions. I don't think they interpreted the scenario the way I did.
I think the father is one of those "thug" types who always looks for an excuse for violence.
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Why do you assume her father was a "thug type". Seems to me her father was in protect mode. My son is far from a thug, in fact he's known as a very nice, gentlemanly, peaceful, fun guy but let somebody try to do something to his daughter. It said that the "victim" had a criminal history. Maybe HE came off as a thug and threatened the father if he didn't back off and things escalated. I'm sure if he was trying to get in the stall repeatedly, the girl yelled or screamed or did something to alert him that she was there. So your rationale about not knowing someone was in there doesn't hold water.
 
I would be more comfortable if the father had shot the alleged intruder or hit him with a club. The brain does not compute when rage takes over.
Still, beating a man to death takes time, time to become aware of what you are doing.

If the man took a plea bargain, there will be no trial-hence we will never have any information:
I would really like to hear the daughter's statement.

In a convenience store? Were other people around, did she scream... there are two many ambiguous events that we will never be able to form an opinion: missing facts???
 
OneEyedDiva said:
Why do you assume her father was a "thug type". Seems to me her father was in protect mode. My son is far from a thug, in fact he's known as a very nice, gentlemanly, peaceful, fun guy but let somebody try to do something to his daughter. It said that the "victim" had a criminal history. Maybe HE came off as a thug and threatened the father if he didn't back off and things escalated. I'm sure if he was trying to get in the stall repeatedly, the girl yelled or screamed or did something to alert him that she was there. So your rationale about not knowing someone was in there doesn't hold water.
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I'm also in "Protection Mode," with my loved ones - myself, friends & pets. But I use my brain before resorting to violence. A thug resorts to violence without thought, & does something stupid that can't be undone. That can result in a long prison sentence, as in this case.
 
Well! So much we don't know for sure here, and so much we can all imagine. So no. I'm not going to pass judgement. Although in a case like this, I think there is usually stupidity on each side.
 
Protecting his daughter ?
The article explains she was frightened because the door was being rattled. If like most convenience stores there is a unisex bathroom not separate bathrooms. Were there questions asked like. Did the bathroom entrance door have a lock? If it did. Was the entrance to the bathroom door locked? Then there is this. The article doesn't say the man grabbed her when she exited the stall or tried to molest her in any way. She was able to alert security so what took place with security?

Notice the daughter waited outside until the man exited the store. She was not in any danger at that time.

Asking for an opinion my opinion is the father is lucky he was offered a deal.
If the guy that was killed has a family IMO they should file a civil suit for wrongful death.

Overall the article seems like most. Short on details but with a sensational headline.

Arizona father, 40, is jailed for eight years for beating man, 27, to death after he tried to break into his 16-year-old daughter's bathroom stall at a Phoenix convenience store
 
Knight said:
Protecting his daughter ?
The article explains she was frightened because the door was being rattled. If like most convenience stores there is a unisex bathroom not separate bathrooms. Were there questions asked like. Did the bathroom entrance door have a lock? If it did. Was the entrance to the bathroom door locked? Then there is this. The article doesn't say the man grabbed her when she exited the stall or tried to molest her in any way. She was able to alert security so what took place with security?

Notice the daughter waited outside until the man exited the store. She was not in any danger at that time.

Asking for an opinion my opinion is the father is lucky he was offered a deal.
If the guy that was killed has a family IMO they should file a civil suit for wrongful death.

Overall the article seems like most. Short on details but with a sensational headline.

Arizona father, 40, is jailed for eight years for beating man, 27, to death after he tried to break into his 16-year-old daughter's bathroom stall at a Phoenix convenience store
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Exactly how I see it. I'm surprised others see it differently.
 
fmdog44 said:
Murder should get t min. of 35 to life.
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I'm sure his attorney advised him of that; that's why he took a plea bargain. I'm also sure he knows he did something really stupid.....something he'll have lots of time to think about....away from the daughter he "protected." And he probably also bankrupted his family - legal fees, civil lawsuit he can't win, etc.
 
Arizona father, 40, is jailed for eight years for beating man, 27, to death after he tried to break into his 16-year-old daughter's bathroom stall at a Phoenix convenience store
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win231 said:
I'm interested in peoples' opinions because the news piece on Facebook had many comments in support of the father's actions. I don't think they interpreted the scenario the way I did.
I think the father is one of those "thug" types who always looks for an excuse for violence.
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I agree. Seems to me that the father lay in wait for the guy, and the daughter was certainly in no danger any longer, if she ever was.

Also, trying the door on a bathroom stall is hardly "trying to break in." It is seeing if there is already someone in there.
 
The reduced sentence might be due to the charge being reduced to manslaughter. My understanding of manslaughter is that a death occurs due to an assault on the person, but with no obvious intention of killing him. The sentence for manslaughter is usually lighter than the sentence for murder.

This sounds like a "road rage" kind of case, where the father's anger got out of his control. He was probably mad at the guy anyway because he had asked him for money (who knows what makes people angry?) and then saw his rattling the bathroom door as a threat or an assault on his daughter.
Or revenge for not getting any money. Obviously, this is a person with anger issues, to put it mildly.
 
The father was a jack ass .And I'm not buying the excuse the father was so over wrought, he didn't know what he was doing.. It takes a while to beat someone to death. It's not "oops, I broke his neck". So the father had ample time to understand what his actions were doing. No one appointed him judge, jury, and executioner. Just because you get "pissed off " doesn't give you the right to take a life.
 
Fuzzy, was that the defense he used, that he was "overwrought?" I didn't see where it said that. The article does say that he was "protecting his daughter," an equally dumb argument. Did he even have any reason to believe that the guy was threatening his daughter? Maybe he just had to go to the bathroom!
 
Sorry, but I don't believe anything I read in the Daily Mail. In the fine print on the site it clearly states that," The content of the site of The Daily Mail is for entertainment purposes only". They admit to employing "journalists" to create outrageous articles because so many people come to their site because of clickbait. If you don't believe me, ask anyone who lives in the U.K.

There have been news articles that happened in my hometown that were later reported by The Daily Mail and they got so many of the "facts" wrong to the point where the story was twisted into something else. They like to report incidents in other countries because they can be vague with names and locations, without most readers catching on that it is a fake story. The writers have a very poor sense of geography when it comes to the U.S. and often place a non existent town in state to make it sound real. They also get confused about cities, towns, counties, and states.
 
Duster:
On target, not only a lot of the nonsense on the web, but the national news is becoming nothing more than entertainment.
The local news (On the big networks) is a joke: running excerpts and promos of ' The Great Shows you can watch tonight.' passing it off as news.

I yet to see a local or national newscaster that could be classified as 'plain.' Their are a log of 'purty folks' on the local news. I wonder where all the 'plain and semi-ugly people' hang out. Their not on your local TV stations.

Perhaps this has always been, perhaps it is us that have changed: aged. Were experienced (old) enough to tell what is semi-true and semi-farce.
This world has not make sense to me, hasn't for a long time.

Next day: Dec 12-17-19
I was thinking about these aspects last night: Why are we reading about a case that is over a year old.

On the three complaints above, it all has to do with money. If they can employee alleged journalist that get their news off the web,
then submit it to people like us as 'hot off the press,' were in trouble.

Sunny, below, makes a good point as does rgp, our society is in trouble, and these infernal PC's are a contributing factor.
We are involved as we tend to believe what the Daily Mirror states as gospel-it's fluff, yellow journalism...
 
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Interesting! On rereading the article, I see that this all occurred in August, 2018. So why is the Daily Mail reporting it in December, 2019, as if it's a startling new item? Even if every word is true, do they usually dredge up old stories and report them as if they're "breaking news?"
 
The point made below is IMO the whole issue.

"Still, beating a man to death takes time, time to become aware of what you are doing."

And this negates the "protect my daughter" claim.

"Seems to me that the father lay in wait for the guy, and the daughter was certainly in no danger any longer, if she ever was. "

Society is just becoming unhinged......
 
win231 said:
I'm also in "Protection Mode," with my loved ones - myself, friends & pets. But I use my brain before resorting to violence. A thug resorts to violence without thought, & does something stupid that can't be undone. That can result in a long prison sentence, as in this case.
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We will have to agree to disagree. This man may have been a perfectly reasonable, hardworking person who was enraged because of what happened to his daughter. Maybe when he approached the man about it, the man who does have a record escalated the encounter (which the article does say the "victim" hit the father). It's sad that this thing escalated the way it did. As someone said in another reply...we don't know the whole story. BTW my definition of a thug is someone who goes out looking for trouble and has no qualms about breaking the law and being intentionally violent without provocation.
 
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Maybe she should of had a phone with her when she was in the bathroom....We don't know if it was just one bathroom, if it was, you should lock the door when you are on the potty….If it was a bathroom that anyone can walk in, why was the guy in the Ladies bathroom.....??
Why n God's name would the father kill the guy??? Just call the police.....And where was the father, outside the bathroom? Or was it the
girl screaming....He came in to kill the guy....??? If it was just one bathroom, mostly you lock the door.....I think someone said it was a store..
This is a fishy story!!!!!
 
The father was a nut case. No reason to beat anyone to death unless you are high on cocaine or some other substance. Too many nuts running loose in this world, if you ask me.
 

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