The Police Knee On The Neck Is Allowed!!
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Rgp, you are making this too easy!
If it is (holy music in background, please) procedure, he should not be charged? Any horrendous, evil act committed by one human being against another is excused because it is (holy music again) procedure?
And "perhaps the procedure needs to be addressed?" Perhaps?
Rgp, step back and take a good look at the statements you have made on this subject. You are resurrecting the spirit of Nazi Germany in one of those corny old war movies.
rgp
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Say what you will ... one video does not fully explain exactly what happened.
And for the record, I am not telling anyone, anything .... other than wait for all the facts to be known.
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Regardless of what's allowed in Minneapolis, the issue is the degree:
"The defendant had his knee on Mr. Floyd's neck for 8 minutes and 46 seconds in total. Two minutes and 53 seconds of this was after Mr. Floyd was non-responsive."
...Two minutes and 53 seconds after Mr. Floyd was non-responsive.
I would actually like your references to Nazi Germany dropped. There is NO comparison. It is insulting and painful to those who survived the horror. It is insulting and painful to their family members. It makes you look uneducated, you might be, idk. But stop.
Some of my immediate family are Catholic. Some of my immediate family are Jewish. I, personally, am insulted by your comments.
Here's a link to part of the ME report:
George Floyd ME extract
It is interesting to note that, per this report, Floyd was complaining about not being able to breath while he was still standing.
I dunno.
George Floyd ME extract
It is interesting to note that, per this report, Floyd was complaining about not being able to breath while he was still standing.
I dunno.
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OK, I get it ..... you think you have all the answers. But the fact is, you [nor I] know what all the police training is & was in that police department. And if that is the way they are indeed taught to subdue a suspect ? Then it is procedure , and they are permitted to use that maneuver .
I am reading preliminary autopsies now that state he did not even die from asphyxiation ? I have not read them all, but is not looking like the 'cause' of death.
But if you somehow feel you fortify your argument / position on the subject, by insulting me? Belittling me, Then by all means .... carry on.
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Evidently, the Coroner in Minneapolis found that Mr. Floyd had some underlying heart issues that may have contributed to his death, so that is why Dr. Baden (at the family's request and expense) is doing another autopsy.
My feeling is that if the Coroner in Minneapolis lists on the death certificate that Mr. Floyd's underlying heart problems aided in his death, it may change the amount of money that the family may receive. (Sorry to put it that way, but it's probably true.)
Whether or not it could change the charges against the officer, I am unsure, so I won't comment on that issue.
My feeling is that if the Coroner in Minneapolis lists on the death certificate that Mr. Floyd's underlying heart problems aided in his death, it may change the amount of money that the family may receive. (Sorry to put it that way, but it's probably true.)
Whether or not it could change the charges against the officer, I am unsure, so I won't comment on that issue.
The video I saw showed that he stumbled, fell, and possibly hit his head hard against the car. This would be a contributing factor. Also, even though he was held down with a knee, he still managed to raise up from the pavement a few times with his head.
I understand thats considered to be resisting. It you can talk, you can breathe. Anyway, no judgement here, just waiting for the investigation results.
AnnieA
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She made the comparison referencing Nazi cliches from old movies. Regardless, with no personal emotional triggers, I see her point. And see the extension of it. The difference in the situations is primarily scale. Systematic abuse by authorities leading to human death is comparable regardless of scale. And mass abuse starts small.
Reminds me of the Martin Niemöller poem:
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
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AnnieA
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If he's on the ground, hands behind the back and cuffed, it's game over. The suspect has been subdued and is under control. so unless he is doing something that would make me believe that he is attempting to free himself, I would not charge him with resisting.
No matter what the outcome of the autopsy is, I feel that My. Floyd was treated unfairly and put in harm's way with the officer using the maneuver that he did. I have never seen that before. I stated several posts ago that cutting off the supply of blood and oxygen to the brain by blocking the carotid artery is a death sentence.
But these looters and rioters must be stopped. I heard one person jumped over the White House fence last night. He's lucky to be waking up this morning.
Aneeda, I find your reference to money equally offensive. The public outrage over this has nothing to do with money. It is very sad if you cannot see this.
About my reference to movies about Nazi Germany, I think the comparison was right on the mark. Unrestrained police brutality does call up that evil regime. But I was referring to old movies about Nazi Germany, not the Germans themselves. (Although I am sure that business about "following orders" had its basis in reality.)
And just FYI, since you're dragging your family into this, which is totally irrelevant, (your thoughts are your own, who cares what religion your family practices), allow me to do the same. I am Jewish, on both sides of my family. Some cousins were lost in the Holocaust. If my grandparents had not left Hungary when they did (around 1900), I would be dead. So that morally superior &#%! doesn't cut it with me.
But, although I was referring to movies about Nazi behavior, probably my close ties to the Holocaust do have something to do with my visceral reaction to brutal, racist police behavior. And all the dancing around by their apologists. (Hit his head when he fell? How do we know we can trust that video?) Unbelievable.
About my reference to movies about Nazi Germany, I think the comparison was right on the mark. Unrestrained police brutality does call up that evil regime. But I was referring to old movies about Nazi Germany, not the Germans themselves. (Although I am sure that business about "following orders" had its basis in reality.)
And just FYI, since you're dragging your family into this, which is totally irrelevant, (your thoughts are your own, who cares what religion your family practices), allow me to do the same. I am Jewish, on both sides of my family. Some cousins were lost in the Holocaust. If my grandparents had not left Hungary when they did (around 1900), I would be dead. So that morally superior &#%! doesn't cut it with me.
But, although I was referring to movies about Nazi behavior, probably my close ties to the Holocaust do have something to do with my visceral reaction to brutal, racist police behavior. And all the dancing around by their apologists. (Hit his head when he fell? How do we know we can trust that video?) Unbelievable.
911, I agree that looters and rioters must be stopped; otherwise we have chaos. But I have to wonder, what is your opinion about the Boston Tea Party? In spite of its name, it was no tea party. It was a riot. When people are driven to intolerable extremes, this is what happens.
How do we know we can trust any video? You make my point. Thanks.
Movies when you can hear the real story-whatever. Still insulted, there is no comparison. I didn’t claim any mortal superiority, I explained why I was insulted. Not my fault if you can not tell the difference. And now you’ve explained that you are jewish and lost family members, yet you platter on. Whatever.
Not about money. You can apologize after the family files the wrongful death lawsuit and gets the bucks. Perhaps you should google and learn about these suits. Educate yourself. Not about money, those protestors you love so much have stolen lots of things. Gained a lot of TV’s and alcohol. Sit back, have a beer, toast the dead guy.
I have not heard you mention the 7 dead in KY. Does one death equal those 7? Do the injuries sustained by the injured police, thanklessly protecting the cities, equal one dead man? Do the cities destroyed, business burned, multiple lives destroyed, children traumatized equal one dead man?
Apparently to you it does.
AnnieA
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What are you referring to? I googled and don't see anything about seven deaths in Kentucky.
It was on CNN. But I am repeating what I heard, I didn’t google it. The report could have been wrong. I don’t live in KY.
AnnieA
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I think you misheard. But it's a red herring regardless. Start a new thread after researching if you're interested in something you think you heard on CNN.
You would be a much more valuable member in an online community if you'd brush up on logic/rhetoric and net etiquette.