The Police Knee On The Neck Is Allowed!!

win231

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I think your "eyes" would have a different view if you'd had a brother serving in the war..

And similarly, individuals who take the approach 'all cops are bad, or at least cover for those who are' would see it differently if one of their kids was out there in the middle of it.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion.. but those of us who've had loved ones in harm's way- past or present- have a much more personal stake in it than simply opinions.
"Opinion?" This has nothing to do with opinion. These are facts. Unlike people, videos don't lie & are not biased. And, unlike that river in Egypt, videos are not in denial.
 

Aneeda72

Senior Member
"Opinion?" This has nothing to do with opinion. These are facts. Unlike people, videos don't lie & are not biased. And, unlike that river in Egypt, videos are not in denial.
Actually, videos can be doctored and, therefore, videos can lie.
 
"Opinion?" This has nothing to do with opinion. These are facts. Unlike people, videos don't lie & are not biased. And, unlike that river in Egypt, videos are not in denial.
I recall your previous posts.. anti-military, anti-police, anti-families-thereof... There are only a few states in your way if you'd like to make a run to Canada.....
 

Gaer

Senior Member
I said .... if you would read before replying ..... I don't know what caused his death. And the actual cause / official cause has not been announced as yet.

And the neck maneuver & use of it was outlined earlier , in post #150 here by another member.
You have responded eloquently to this threads attacks. I applaud your courage.
 

win231

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Location
CA
In case you're still here, 911, I would agree completely with your statement above, with the addition of one word:

All psychopathic cops should resign immediately. The world would be a better and safer place.
Couldn't have said it better.
And officer 911 is still here; just pretending he's not.
 

Aneeda72

Senior Member
Couldn't have said it better.
And officer 911 is still here; just pretending he's not.
911 is not pretending he is not here. Unlike a lot of us he actually has stuff to do. But, just so you know in case you missed it, I am pretending that some people are not here. That’s what the ignore button is for. 🤪
 

Keesha

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Here's the part about use of neck restraints/compressions in the City of Minneapolis police policy and procedures manual. This is from Section 5-300 Use of Force. Note that it allows "compressing one or both sides of a person's neck with an arm or leg ...."

5-311 USE OF NECK RESTRAINTS AND CHOKE HOLDS (10/16/02) (08/17/07) (10/01/10) (04/16/12)

DEFINITIONS I.

Choke Hold:
Deadly force option. Defined as applying direct pressure on a person’s trachea or airway (front of the neck), blocking or obstructing the airway (04/16/12)

Neck Restraint: Non-deadly force option. Defined as compressing one or both sides of a person’s neck with an arm or leg, without applying direct pressure to the trachea or airway (front of the neck). Only sworn employees who have received training from the MPD Training Unit are authorized to use neck restraints. The MPD authorizes two types of neck restraints: Conscious Neck Restraint and Unconscious Neck Restraint. (04/16/12)

Conscious Neck Restraint: The subject is placed in a neck restraint with intent to control, and not to render the subject unconscious, by only applying light to moderate pressure. (04/16/12)

Unconscious Neck Restraint: The subject is placed in a neck restraint with the intention of rendering the person unconscious by applying adequate pressure. (04/16/12)

PROCEDURES/REGULATIONS II.
  1. The Conscious Neck Restraint may be used against a subject who is actively resisting. (04/16/12)
  2. The Unconscious Neck Restraint shall only be applied in the following circumstances: (04/16/12)
    1. On a subject who is exhibiting active aggression, or;
    2. For life saving purposes, or;
    3. On a subject who is exhibiting active resistance in order to gain control of the subject; and if lesser attempts at control have been or would likely be ineffective.
  3. Neck restraints shall not be used against subjects who are passively resisting as defined by policy. (04/16/12)
  4. After Care Guidelines (04/16/12)
    1. After a neck restraint or choke hold has been used on a subject, sworn MPD employees shall keep them under close observation until they are released to medical or other law enforcement personnel.
    2. An officer who has used a neck restraint or choke hold shall inform individuals accepting custody of the subject, that the technique was used on the subject.
In the manual it states that IF the suspect is resisting arrest then any of these holds can be applied. The choke hold and neck restraints are saved as deadly restraints meant only for passive aggressive to the most aggressive.

Choke hold is for the most aggressive suspects who are violently resisting arrest.

Neck Restraint is for the passive aggressive and is done by compressing both sides of the neck WITHOUT APPLYING DIRECT PRESSURE to the TRACHEA!

This restraint is used to control a conscious subject but NOT RENDER THEM UNCONSCIOUS by applying light to moderate pressure.

It gives clear instructions on when to use them and how to use them which was completely ignored.

The subject didn’t resist arrest in the least and was consistently show to show compliance and respect right to his very last dying breathe while he said for the 15th time, “I can’t breathe officer.”

After any of these neck holds are used the officer using such force needs to carefully monitor the subject.

Light to moderate pressure at the sides of his neck NOT KNEELING on his neck! If the subject keeps repeating that they can’t breathe, then it’s REALLY CLEAR that it wasn’t ‘light to moderate’ pressure.

If this technique must be used then the subject needs to be monitored.
Did anyone see or hear any monitoring of the police officer?
Did anyone witness any human concern whatsoever about this black man’s very life?

NO!!! There was ZERO concern.
This man was NOT following procedure. OVER EIGHT MINUTES passed by and the ONLY look on this police officers face was one of sheer arrogant pride like one of those trophy hunters who just killed their prey.

Like I mentioned in another post, if anyone sees justifiable reason why this man was murdered in cold blood by those who serve and protect, then they have their own personally AXE to GRIND.
Note: this was meant for another thread.
 
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I'm a retired Registered Nurse. I'm not a medical expert. But from the little I do know, blocking a carotid artery is an extremely dangerous thing to do.This is not like kneeling on someone's arm. Bloods clots can form and travel straitgh to the brain. If they block a smaller artery, they will kill all the brain tissue serviced by that artery. Of course, this results in loss of brain function. You block both carotid arteries, you have brain death- and the person isn't far behind in the dying. Also blocking the arteries causes huge fluctuations in blood pressure, again brain devastation. The list of complications from kneeling on someone's throat goes on and on. The throat is an extremely vulnerable area. Why do you think slashing someone's neck results in death? You are either going to kill somebody, or you're going to wind up with a vegetable. By police continuing to use that technique is an admission of gross stupidity, as to the lethality, and potential harm that technique can cause. Since the danger of that technique is known, using it is also an admission of the callous attitude the police have to some human life.
 

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