The Police Knee On The Neck Is Allowed!!

Aunt Marg said:
May I suggest you give the lenses a good cleaning and re-watch the video again, as the video clearly outlines the excessive application of a known restraining method that can result in death.

Reflecting on Department Procedures, and knowing that applying the knee restraint can kill, and knowing from the video that on more than one occasion, George Floyd, called out to Derek Chauvin, informing him that he could not breathe, would it be safe to say that Derek Chauvin, exceeded the knee restraint beyond a reasonable and acceptable period of time, knowing full well that death could result?

My answer is, YES, and not only did Derek Chauvin, see a man to his grave, Derek Chauvin, seen the needless death of George Floyd with total and absolute disdain, which is clearly apparent in the video, as Derek Chauvin, can be seen acting so casually with his left hand in his pocket as if to broadcast to all that he didn't have a care in the world for George Chauvin or his condition, which the video also clearly shows, as George's unanswered calls that he was having a difficult time breathing are repeatedly ignored.

I can't think of a better example of pure unadulterated murder.
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I watched the video, several times. But I do not jump to conclusions about what I saw.

How'bout we wait for the medical examiners report ?
 

rgp said:
I am not trying to "persuade" you to anything....read before you comment. All I am saying is that it might be procedure ?? And if it is ? he should not be charged IMO....And if it is, perhaps the procedure needs to addressed & changed if their command sees fit to do so.
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To kill? Murder?
 
rgp said:
I watched the video, several times. But I do not jump to conclusions about what I saw.

How'bout we wait for the medical examiners report ?
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There's no discounting your suggestion, and I agree with you, but there's no taking away from the idea that what transpired is not normal.
 

rgp said:
I watched the video, several times. But I do not jump to conclusions about what I saw.

How'bout we wait for the medical examiners report ?
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There is a report. The medical examiners reported that he died from no oxygen to the brain. This isn’t a ‘gee I wonder how that happened ‘ case which is why he has already been charged with man slaughter. What part do you not understand?
 
Keesha said:
If it’s allowed in Minneapolis and the technique kills people then they may want to reconsider their technique and if the victim shouts out he can’t breathe and bystanders shout out he can’t breathe and nothing was done, then clearly something went wrong. With a police officer doing this with his hand in his pocket like there wasn’t a care in the world speaks volumes also. It was video recorded for the world to see. Those who don’t see this have their own personal axe to grind.
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There are three types of people who don't want to see this for the murder that it was:
1. Racists.
2. People who automatically defend anything a police officer does because they think if they don't, they're not supporting those who serve.
3. People who are either retired police officers or who have family in law enforcement.
 
rgp said:
If that is department procedure ? And he chose to use it ? How can there be criminal charges ?
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Ah, the good ol' Nuremberg defense: "I was just following orders, Your Honor." I also note that the posted article further states that the "act is authorized only to protect officer lives with a suspect who is "actively aggressive" and cannot be controlled by lesser methods."

I have a hard time seeing how they are going to be able to prove that their treatment of Mr. Floyd was necessary to protect officer lives. There were, after all, FOUR presumably armed big officers right there. FOUR police officers together could not restrain a handcuffed subject by lesser methods and that kneeling on Mr. Floyd's neck was the only way to protect officers' lives?

Gimme a break.
 
win231 said:
There are three types of people who don't want to see this for the murder that it was:
1. Racists.
2. People who automatically defend anything a police officer does because they think if they don't, they're not supporting those who serve.
3. People who are either retired police officers or who have family in law enforcement.
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I do not for a minute think that all police officers and families approve of this type of behavior. I personally know several who would strongly disapprove.

Contrary to your belief, I do not believe that most police officers are sadistic killers.
 
Butterfly said:
I do not for a minute think that all police officers and families approve of this type of behavior. I personally know several who would strongly disapprove.

Contrary to your belief, I do not believe that most police officers are sadistic killers.
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I’m not at all saying this to argue with you in the least Butterfly. I know you’ve worked in a lawyers office and appreciate your posts very much but I don’t see where win said that most police officers are sadistic killers in his post. I also don’t believe he stated that all police officers and their families approve of this type of behaviour.

If that’s what he meant, then I don’t agree either but I don’t think that’s what was said.
win231 said:
There are three types of people who don't want to see this for the murder that it was:
1. Racists.
2. People who automatically defend anything a police officer does because they think if they don't, they're not supporting those who serve.
3. People who are either retired police officers or who have family in law enforcement.
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win231 said:
There are three types of people who don't want to see this for the murder that it was:
1. Racists.
2. People who automatically defend anything a police officer does because they think if they don't, they're not supporting those who serve.
3. People who are either retired police officers or who have family in law enforcement.
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I can not read everything that is written (I have some people on ignore), but I do want to respond to what @win231 has said. I don’t see What has happened as anything at this point. As previously stated I am patiently waiting for the investigation.

I want to wait for the truth, not the mindless ramblings of clueless people. And, at this point, most everyone is clueless. However,

1. I am not a racist.

2. I don’t automatically defend “anything” a police officer or any other official does. (Btw, it was a paramedic that dropped my disabled son in a river.)

3. I am not a retired police officer (if only I had retired from somewhere and had an income, sigh). I have no family members in law enforcement but I will admit having had extended family members who have been in jail. 🤪 But no one in prison.

4. And NO ONE gets to define who I or anyone else is!
 
Butterfly said:
I do not for a minute think that all police officers and families approve of this type of behavior. I personally know several who would strongly disapprove.

Contrary to your belief, I do not believe that most police officers are sadistic killers.
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^^^ Fabrication. I never said most police officers are sadistic killers.
 
I did not say that Win 231 said that most police officers are sadistic killers. However, I gather from his posts in general that he has little to no respect for police officers. If I've overstated or misunderstood, I apologize and I certainly take back that comment.

What he did say was that retired police officers or those who have family who are police officers are unwilling to see this for the murder. I take issue with that statement.
 
I have read that the autopsy report indicated that the knee on the neck was not what killed the deceased. Also, some have said that if you can talk, you are, in fact, breathing. All of this must be true because I read it on the interwebs.

For the record, I have not and will not watch any videos of the events, since they most likely are highly edited to support someone's narrative.
 
Buckeye said:
I have read that the autopsy report indicated that the knee on the neck was not what killed the deceased. Also, some have said that if you can talk, you are, in fact, breathing. All of this must be true because I read it on the interwebs.

For the record, I have not and will not watch any videos of the events, since they most likely are highly edited to support someone's narrative.
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What did he die from?
 
Butterfly said:
I did not say that Win 231 said that most police officers are sadistic killers. However, I gather from his posts in general that he has little to no respect for police officers. If I've overstated or misunderstood, I apologize and I certainly take back that comment.

What he did say was that retired police officers or those who have family who are police officers are unwilling to see this for the murder. I take issue with that statement.
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As do I.
 
Keesha said:
There is a report. The medical examiners reported that he died from no oxygen to the brain. This isn’t a ‘gee I wonder how that happened ‘ case which is why he has already been charged with man slaughter. What part do you not understand?
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I do not understand so many folks rush to judgement, on just one video. I have seen no / heard no ME's report as yet. If it's out there ? I missed it. I heard speculation, by non-involved doctors, and people claiming to be doctors, but nothing from the ME.
 

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