Reincarnation...What Are Your Thoughts On This?

LindaB said:
I do. My grandson at around age 2 or so used to have nightmares about "his plane being shot down." He used words that he had no way of knowing at his age like "cockpit" and "eject." He was never allowed to watch anything on tv but cartoons and there was no Internet. One time my daughter called me and said that he got up that morning and asked for a poached egg. She was taken aback because she had never made him a poached egg in his 2 year old life. He said, "It's easy. Just make it in one of those little round things in a pan of water." She told me, "Mom, I don't even own an egg poacher!"
As much as I believe reincarnation is real, I truly hope it's not. I really don't want to be reborn into this world like it is now.
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My mother was in boarding school in the 40's during the war and she was engaged. She woke up one night screaming that he had been "shot down"...he was a pilot. Not long after, she received the dreaded telegram saying his plane had been shot down (over Germany I think).

Fast forward to 20 years later, she was married to my dad and my "little" brother was building model planes and rigging them to get set on fire and shot down with a firecracker inside to facilitate the explosion. I later found a letter he had written to the German government to ask if anyone by his name had flown a plane in WW2.

I believe he came back right away to try to get close to my mother once again!
 

The concept of reincarnation raises a lot of questions for me. Based on the number of people living today, the only way reincarnation seems viable is if we had reincarnated into other animals. Modern humans have been around for about 200,000 years. For 190,000 of those years we simply hunted and gathered, which means that if we were reincarnating we must have had a lot of lives where we did pretty much the same thing. For those who see reincarnation as an opportunity for new learning experiences, I don't see a lot of new learning taking place in the same environment. And what about our hominin ancestors? Did they reincarnate as well? If so, we can then add another few million years of hunting and gathering to the mix. When you've had hundreds or thousands of very similar lives hunting and gathering, I would think deja vu would make dealing with reality a real challenge ;).
 
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There is an old book called 'Children who Remember Previous Lives' by a professor Ian Stevenson, who only took instances of children under the age of 6. This is an academic research book used in Universities. There are many instances where very very young children would recall places, people and things that could never have known about before. One instance a 5 year old says where he worked before and what he did as a job and gets into a car and has the author drive to the location, confirm everything the kids says. Usually what happens is after a short period of time the kid never remembers it again. They don't take older children into consideration as media/tv etc can influence the past life story.... another story a young girl died in the country side, she said she spent many years next to a tree and one day she followed a pregnant woman home on a bus and she was born into that family, once again the child was under 6 when she told the story, and the story was confirmed by historical events.
It's a good read, thought provoking at the least. but really anybody over a certain age with media exposure cannot be verified or trusted beyond doubt. Hey... i'm just telling you about the book, read it and take from it what you will.

https://www.amazon.com/Children-Remember-Previous-Lives-Reincarnation/dp/0786409134
 

It is the only paranormal thing I do not believe in, not saying I am in on 100% of the others. That being said if reincarnation does exist it most likely is not good. I say that only because of the poltergeist and haunting documentaries I have seen. I am not 100% convinced of anything but because no one can explain them I keep an open mind. The "spirits" that are in question do not appear to be happy to say the least. The only thing I can accept about the paranormal is it is a crossover of several dimensions in time that do exist and have existed everywhere in the universe since the incredible amount of energy from the Big Bang. Science accepts the possibility of multi universes and time travel so anything is possible.
Google Ed and Lorraine Warren the two people that were the actual people in the movie The Conjuring" She was especially gifted in extra sensory abilities.
 
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Raja Yoga, some believe is a cult, is the study of Hinduism and mankind and strongly, very strongly believes in the philosophy of Karma. Hinduism is thousands of years older than Christianity which comes from symbolism. But, fellow haters the message is 'do unto others as you would want for yourself'

When man first appeared on earth it was the golden age, people were free of negative Karma. As time grew and people did things that hurt others or polluted the earth Negative Karma grew. You never knew when bad Karma would happen to even things out, it may be in life or it may be as you die/ bad death experience while you transformed back into the ether to await your next reincarnation.
Reincarnation wait times as they state are normaly 700 years. People can NEVER be re-incarnated into animals, birds, etc. the vessel that is human can only contain a human soul.

Silver age, Bronze Age, and our current Iron age are inescapable from negative karma no matter how hard we try. a newborn with a disposable diaper generates negative karma in their eyes. so good luck with trying to escape negative karma in this day and age.

there are souls that get reincarnated over and over again and there are souls who only have one shot.

But they believe there is a confluence point where all the souls are taken back and the process begins again. Life starts back at the golden age.

What you did in life when you were alive will happen again exactly as it did before.... kinda fatalistic LOL.

but of course nobody remembers anything.

One of their other beliefs are that if you are born into privilege and in life you are a jerk you may be reincarnated into the slums of poverty to pay for your previous life Karma. Hey,! I'm just stating what i read. Do your own reading ... just interesting stuff that others on this planet may use as their life philosophy.
 
fmdog44 said:
It is the only paranormal thing I do not believe in, not saying I am in on 100% of the others. That being said if reincarnation does exist it most likely is not good. I say that only because of the poltergeist and haunting documentaries I have seen. I am not 100% convinced of anything but because no one can explain them I keep an open mind. The "spirits" that are in question do not appear to be happy to say the least. The only thing I can accept about the paranormal is it is a crossover of several dimensions in time that do exist and have existed everywhere in the universe since the incredible amount of energy from the Big Bang. Science accepts the possibility of multi universes and time travel so anything is possible.
Google Ed and Lorraine Warren the two people that were the actual people in the movie The Conjuring" She was especially gifted in extra sensory abilities.
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Not the same thing at all.

There are zero documented stories of children who remember previous lives where they said they were poltergeist terrorizors of the living and one day they became reincarnated. Although that may be a real phenomenon it is not the same topic.
 
I wonder if there could be an alternative explanation for the memories some children have of other lives. Is it not equally plausible that young children somehow tap into these old memories without actually living in the past? I read/heard one story of a child who got a sense of who this person was from the past life and said he felt it wasn't him. The person whom he had memories of wasn't anything like him.
 
If energy cannot be destroyed, what happens to the energy that the brain of billions their brains have produced? It cannot be destroyed, so where is it?

The brains energy is infinitesimal, but multiply that billions and billions of times.
How many stray thoughts are traveling around our world from those that came before?

My opinion is since these ā€˜messagesā€™ never disappear they enter living human beings; this is what is termed Racial Memory.
 
jerry old said:
If energy cannot be destroyed, what happens to the energy that the brain of billions their brains have produced? It cannot be destroyed, so where is it?

The brains energy is infinitesimal, but multiply that billions and billions of times.
How many stray thoughts are traveling around our world from those that came before?

My opinion is since these ā€˜messagesā€™ never disappear they enter living human beings; this is what is termed Racial Memory.
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jerry old, I had not previously heard of racial memory but apparently it was a concept which Freud and Jung embraced. The idea that human cognitive thoughts, emotions, and experiences are transferred between generations seems to answer the question I had regarding an alternative concept to reincarnation via a transfer of data/memories. As far as what happens to energy, it can dissipate into the atmosphere in the form of heat just as the burning trees in the Western wildfires are doing.
 
I feel the same way about astrology, witchcraft, ESP, telekinesis, pretty much everything. I do believe in God but only in a very abstract sort of way.
 
I don't believe in reincarnation ,and I hope it isn't true. I would never want to live again without my present loved ones with me.I do believe in heaven and that we will be reunited with our loved ones. On the other hand my older sister always saw a sailor in our house. She was the only one that saw him. My Mom felt that the sailor was my sister in a previous life. I do believe our loved ones can communicate with us in dreams from heaven.
 
Many pet theories are listed, but we all die.
The question remains what then?
I believe in God and an afterlife-that is my what then.
Many believe differently, some believe in nothing.

The post on this thread list a log of peculiar events that we cannot explain; they do make us wonder.
 
WaskaleeWabbit said:
Not the same thing at all.

There are zero documented stories of children who remember previous lives where they said they were poltergeist terrorizors of the living and one day they became reincarnated. Although that may be a real phenomenon it is not the same topic.
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Ed and Lorraine never ever ever did any research on reincarnation, they documented phenomena that was unexplained. They never interviewed children at a young age that remembered being a fighter pilot or a factory worker, etc.

for the sake of keeping on topic of reincarnation; haunting, haunted houses, poltergeists, apparitions, and other similar paranormal events are 100% completely not relevant although they may be true
chameleonic said:
I wonder if there could be an alternative explanation for the memories some children have of other lives. Is it not equally plausible that young children somehow tap into these old memories without actually living in the past? I read/heard one story of a child who got a sense of who this person was from the past life and said he felt it wasn't him. The person whom he had memories of wasn't anything like him.
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the studies were on children who remembered previous lives, maybe they remembered being a fighter pilot? All these investigations are started by the parents because their children keep repeating stories and events that they could not have invented, kids under 6 are not readers of history, nor do they have vocabulary. parents who made the calls to find out the truth would be at their wits end. a child that doesn;t stop talking about what they "remember". The researchers would just document and look into facts, people, places and truth behind the utterings. Many cases probably didn't pan out, and as time goes by the children forget these 'old' memories. A child that remembers being a fighter pilot would be harder to confirm stories than a child that remembers being a worker at a particular location. i believe the book has only 2 solid cases where all the dots match up, all the other cases are plausible but with a good degree of doubt.

it's just food for thought. believe or not, or maybe not even believe but have some kind of general interest. As I've stated before these studies were done 30 years ago and published. There may be more s
jerry old said:
Many pet theories are listed, but we all die.
The question remains what then?
I believe in God and an afterlife-that is my what then.
Many believe differently, some believe in nothing.

The post on this thread list a log of peculiar events that we cannot explain; they do make us wonder.
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EXACTLY !!!! it is certainly fun to entertain and mildly explore possibilities. I don't 'believe' that reincarnation is true or 100% fact. I read a book that documented a few stories that were compelling. i actually took a university philosophy class in 'the occult and paranormal'. All based on academic research. These stories or even the fact that it may be true, don't help me pay my bills, don't help in any other way. But people are curious and creative and philosophical. I don't think about at all anymore, and if i did happen and my soul was reincarnated the new vessel my soul inhabits wouldn't remember jack squat.

LOL sad but apparently true.

YOU'RE ALL FULL OF CRAP!!!! LOL. is quite an argument to shut up and tow the line and realize life is a shit sandwich - all about work, paying bills, and then maybe enjoying a few years of gardening and golf before the grim reaper swings his scythe. ... Monty Python "how did i go?" - answer "the salmon mousse" !
 
My concern regarding reincarnation is that I would come back as a fire hydrant in a neighborhood full of dogs. :) :)

Who am I to state definitively those things which I simply can't truly know?

Reincarnation
What happens after we die
Whether there is intelligent life elsewhere in the universe
Who or what God is (though I choose to believe we are not simply a "happy accident")
The truth (or lack thereof) of all the religious dogma people choose to believe in
.
.
.

The single thread that I see running through all of it is human beings can't seem to accept an informational vacuum. I saw this when I tried living in a small town after I got out of the Army. If I didn't answer people's questions about me, they made stuff up! It was a real eye-opener that helped give me perspective on all these universal questions. I can't say that any of the explanations folks come up with are all false, but also I can't say that they are true. We simply can't know these things and I am comfortable admitting that.

Where I think we get into trouble discussing some of these things is when we confuse beliefs we have chosen and hard facts. If we could keep these clearly separate in our minds, I think discussions about religion and such would no longer be "taboo" subjects to avoid a fight.

I can state that I prefer to keep an open mind on these and many other things us humans naturally wonder about, and am willing to change my views as verifiable facts are presented. The philosophic/belief aspects I find interesting discussion as long as it is not demanded that I believe the same things without sufficient solid proof.

Tony
 
Liberty said:
My mother was in boarding school in the 40's during the war and she was engaged. She woke up one night screaming that he had been "shot down"...he was a pilot. Not long after, she received the dreaded telegram saying his plane had been shot down (over Germany I think).

Fast forward to 20 years later, she was married to my dad and my "little" brother was building model planes and rigging them to get set on fire and shot down with a firecracker inside to facilitate the explosion. I later found a letter he had written to the German government to ask if anyone by his name had flown a plane in WW2.

I believe he came back right away to try to get close to my mother once again!
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Your story reminds me of the example I posted a couple of months ago. I don't know if you saw it so here it is:
https://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=132381&page=1
 
OneEyedDiva said:
Your story reminds me of the example I posted a couple of months ago. I don't know if you saw it so here it is:
https://abcnews.go.com/Primetime/story?id=132381&page=1
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Yes, you are so right...this story does so remind me of my brother. So much knowledge we have stored upstairs in our Akasha records. Glad that so many of us are now remembering in our own unique ways. Sometimes even our choice of clothing or furniture, likes and dislikes can indicate various past experiences, especially if we may be overly fond of them or have a strong aversion to them. We have had many many adventurous experiences. So good to meet and hear from others that dovetail with your own. Life is good. Thanks for the article OneEyedDiva...really appreciate it.
 
tbeltrans said:
My concern regarding reincarnation is that I would come back as a fire hydrant in a neighborhood full of dogs. :) :)

Who am I to state definitively those things which I simply can't truly know?

Reincarnation
What happens after we die
Whether there is intelligent life elsewhere in the universe
Who or what God is (though I choose to believe we are not simply a "happy accident")
The truth (or lack thereof) of all the religious dogma people choose to believe in
.
.
.

The single thread that I see running through all of it is human beings can't seem to accept an informational vacuum. I saw this when I tried living in a small town after I got out of the Army. If I didn't answer people's questions about me, they made stuff up! It was a real eye-opener that helped give me perspective on all these universal questions. I can't say that any of the explanations folks come up with are all false, but also I can't say that they are true. We simply can't know these things and I am comfortable admitting that.

Where I think we get into trouble discussing some of these things is when we confuse beliefs we have chosen and hard facts. If we could keep these clearly separate in our minds, I think discussions about religion and such would no longer be "taboo" subjects to avoid a fight.

I can state that I prefer to keep an open mind on these and many other things us humans naturally wonder about, and am willing to change my views as verifiable facts are presented. The philosophic/belief aspects I find interesting discussion as long as it is not demanded that I believe the same things without sufficient solid proof.

Tony
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OMG That is too funny tbeltrans. Best post in this thread. I once debated someone when I was younger and I told him I was born what I was meant to be and didn't mind coming back as I am now. He shook his head and said you have no aspirations to improve your lot in your second life then told me his dream was to come back a wealthy man then said what do you think about that fool? I just smiled and said you are the small minded fool because if you came back a wealthy man I can come back a powerful man. His rather puzzled look was proof that he didn't understand that a wealthy man can have no power but a powerful man doesn't need wealth.
 
FastTrax said:
OMG That is too funny tbeltrans. Best post in this thread. I once debated someone when I was younger and I told him I was born what I was meant to be and didn't mind coming back as I am now. He shook his head and said you have no aspirations to improve your lot in your second life then told me his dream was to come back a wealthy man then said what do you think about that fool? I just smiled and said you are the small minded fool because if you came back a wealthy man I can come back a powerful man. His rather puzzled look was proof that he didn't understand that a wealthy man can have no power but a powerful man doesn't need wealth.
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Now that is an interesting conversational path...wealth vs power. If a wealthy person knows just how to use his or her wealth, s/he can hire the power, whether muscle or brains. But, then, a powerful person can take wealth away from the person who doesn't know how to use it to protect shat s/he has.

There was a bit of a fad for a while, back in the 1970s, as I recall, when reincarnation was the "in" thing, and people were getting hypnotized for past life regression. It always struck me as funny that these folks ALWAYS seemed to be a big deal in a former life (i.e. royalty, famous, etc.), but were just average folks in their current lives.

Tony
 
tbeltrans said:
Now that is an interesting conversational path...wealth vs power. If a wealthy person knows just how to use his or her wealth, s/he can hire the power, whether muscle or brains. But, then, a powerful person can take wealth away from the person who doesn't know how to use it to protect shat s/he has.

There was a bit of a fad for a while, back in the 1970s, as I recall, when reincarnation was the "in" thing, and people were getting hypnotized for past life regression. It always struck me as funny that these folks ALWAYS seemed to be a big deal in a former life (i.e. royalty, famous, etc.), but were just average folks in their current lives.

Tony
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For sure. It might be compensating for what they perceive as their current state of inadequacy.
 

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