Male and Female

Aneeda72 said:
I am completely open minded, as are my children. It is not about who you love, it’s about the fact that you are loved.

My whole life my mother blamed me for being kidnapped and raped, “I must have flirted with the man”. I was 7. I did not know what the word flirt meant. In the not so old days, women, who were raped, were blamed, in court, because their clothing enticed a man to commit the act. Men who were raped never came forward.(A lot still don’t.)

A closed judgmental mind, IMO, allows horrific crimes to be committed, often in the name of God. Yet, we can not read God‘s mind and the Bible says, in many ways, in many places JUDGE NOT LESS YOU BE JUDGED.

Children need to be taught the differences in sexual orientation so they can avoid a closed mind; and understand that when they see two people kissing it’s because they love each other. Gender has nothing to do with love. IMO.
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Oh, my dear, I weep for the child you were, such horror, then to be met with further abuse from those who should have reacted with love and nurtured your spirit, ensured that man was charged.😞
 
Shalimar said:
There is nothing silly or stupid about twelve year old children committing suicide because they are forced to be something they firmly believe they are not. This is the brutal reality behind a refusal to deal with the situation in a kind and loving manner. I pray that their better angels teach those in authority a better way, I have been to far too many funerals over the years. Fortunately, Canada now makes accommodations for such differences.
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I strongly disagree, but I do not want to start a 12 page thread.

What you can do is to answer the following question for me: "How did we get to where we are?"

Here is my point using analogies: If a 12 y/o commits a murder, he will generally serve time in a youth development home and then be released back into society. There are cases where a 10-12 y/o will get prison time, but those are the exceptions. The usually defense for these kids that murder is that the brain is not fully developed and they don't understand about the consequences and yadda, yadda, yadda.

Today we are saying: "Well, if my 12 y/o son thinks he is a girl, then so-be-it, I will do what I can to make that happen." My question is, "How does he know he wants to be a girl?" His brain isn't fully developed and maybe when he turns 20, he will think, "Boy, did I ever screw up."
 
911 said:
I strongly disagree, but I do not want to start a 12 page thread.

What you can do is to answer the following question for me: "How did we get to where we are?"

Here is my point using analogies: If a 12 y/o commits a murder, he will generally serve time in a youth development home and then be released back into society. There are cases where a 10-12 y/o will get prison time, but those are the exceptions. The usually defense for these kids that murder is that the brain is not fully developed and they don't understand about the consequences and yadda, yadda, yadda.

Today we are saying: "Well, if my 12 y/o son thinks he is a girl, then so-be-it, I will do what I can to make that happen." My question is, "How does he know he wants to be a girl?" His brain isn't fully developed and maybe when he turns 20, he will think, "Boy, did I ever screw up."
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Well, if she/he turns 20 and decides he/she screwed up then he/she can switch and date the opposite sex. A 12 year old is not getting a sex change operation. Both my granddaughters dated girls in high school. Both swore they were lesbians. Ok, fine, we don’t care. Both went to the prom with girls as dates. One wore a tux.

Fast forward, and by 19 one is living with a guy and has a baby. The other is living with a guy. What you think you are at 12 is not written in stone. What you think are at 74 is not written in stone. Only the Ten Commandments were written in stone and we lost the dang stone. Humans are stupid people.
 
Aneeda72 said:
Well, if she/he turns 20 and decides he/she screwed up then he/she can switch and date the opposite sex. A 12 year old is not getting a sex change operation. Both my granddaughters dated girls in high school. Both swore they were lesbians. Ok, fine, we don’t care. Both went to the prom with girls as dates. One wore a tux.

Fast forward, and by 19 one is living with a guy and has a baby. The other is living with a guy. What you think you are at 12 is not written in stone. What you think are at 74 is not written in stone. Only the Ten Commandments were written in stone and we lost the dang stone. Humans are stupid people.
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How very true in many respects (in red above).
 
Aneeda72 said:
Well, if she/he turns 20 and decides he/she screwed up then he/she can switch and date the opposite sex. A 12 year old is not getting a sex change operation. Both my granddaughters dated girls in high school. Both swore they were lesbians. Ok, fine, we don’t care. Both went to the prom with girls as dates. One wore a tux.

Fast forward, and by 19 one is living with a guy and has a baby. The other is living with a guy. What you think you are at 12 is not written in stone. What you think are at 74 is not written in stone. Only the Ten Commandments were written in stone and we lost the dang stone. Humans are stupid people.
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But, my point is that I have read that 12 y/o are having sex changes. I don't believe it was in this country, although I do know that the process can start when the child is 12 y/o. I think they use something called a puberty blocker, whatever that is.

I could tell you a story of what I walked into one early morning during my patrol, but it would make you gag.
 
911 said:
But, my point is that I have read that 12 y/o are having sex changes. I don't believe it was in this country, although I do know that the process can start when the child is 12 y/o. I think they use something called a puberty blocker, whatever that is.

I could tell you a story of what I walked into one early morning during my patrol, but it would make you gag.
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I totally understand. Remember, I use to work alongside law enforcement in both Los Angeles and Orange County California as an EMT. What a person can see when doing that job!
 
MarciKS said:
The 6 Most Common Biological Sexes in Humans

The Six Most Common Karyotypes

  • X – Roughly 1 in 2,000 to 1 in 5,000 people (Turner’s )
  • XX – Most common form of female
  • XXY – Roughly 1 in 500 to 1 in 1,000 people (Klinefelter)
  • XY – Most common form of male
  • XYY – Roughly 1 out of 1,000 people
  • XXXY – Roughly 1 in 18,000 to 1 in 50,000 births
When you consider that there are 7,000,000,000 alive on the planet, there are almost assuredly tens of millions of people who are not male or female. Many times, these people are unaware of their true sex. It’s interesting to note that everyone assumes that they, personally, are XY or XX. One study in Great Britain showed that 97 out of 100 people who were XYY had no idea. They thought they were a traditional male and had few signs otherwise.


I think what they're doing is trying to tell the kids if they have a man's body but feel like a woman that they are a different sex. Based on these karyotypes. I really don't think these kids need to know that crap. I think this is what's leading to all these people getting sex changes. If God had intended Bruce Jenner to be a woman I would think he would've made him into one in the beginning.
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I can add another variation - XXX - one of my grand daughters has this chromosome combination. Clearly she is female but she also has a range of characteristics caused by this accident of conception.

As a former science teacher I would explain to my class that some babies are born with indeterminant gender due to poorly developed *******ia or are hermaphrodites. In the past the doctors would choose a gender and perform surgery to remove what they considered the easiest to deal with. The child would then be raised as the assigned gender even if psychologically they identified with the opposite sex.

I think it reasonable to teach that gender is not a binary proposition and to encourage acceptance of intersex children.
 
Aneeda72 said:
Well, if she/he turns 20 and decides he/she screwed up then he/she can switch and date the opposite sex. A 12 year old is not getting a sex change operation. Both my granddaughters dated girls in high school. Both swore they were lesbians. Ok, fine, we don’t care. Both went to the prom with girls as dates. One wore a tux.

Fast forward, and by 19 one is living with a guy and has a baby. The other is living with a guy. What you think you are at 12 is not written in stone. What you think are at 74 is not written in stone. Only the Ten Commandments were written in stone and we lost the dang stone. Humans are stupid people.
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I agree there some incredibly stupid people out there. Picking dining instead of health, either yourself or someone else close to you??
 
A lot of today’s children decide not to decide what sexual orientation they will have till later and explore all their options which is fine. It is their life and they can choose their sexual orientation and change it as they wish. It is a new world. I certainly would not lose a child because I did not like their sexual orientation. Really not my business.

I have said this before, parents have one main job, to love their children unconditionally. Yet so many parents muck it up.
 
Shalimar said:
Oh, my dear, I weep for the child you were, such horror, then to be met with further abuse from those who should have reacted with love and nurtured your spirit, ensured that man was charged.😞
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It was the early 1950’s. If there was a rape, it was the females fault, no matter what the age, and the female was ruined from that moment on. Rapes were hidden, the shame of it Caused many a death. We forget what the 1950’s were like for woman. They really were not the good old days.
 
Aneeda72 said:
It was the early 1950’s. If there was a rape, it was the females fault, no matter what the age, and the female was ruined from that moment on. Rapes were hidden, the shame of it Caused many a death. We forget what the 1950’s were like for woman. They really were not the good old days.
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No, they weren’t, unless you were very fortunate.
 
When we were young our parents were aghast at their children not remaining virgins before marrying, serial monogamy, living with someone without marrying, interracial relationships, and so much more that now seems commonplace.

No matter how much that generation clutched their pearls, it was our world, our choice.

People in their teens and twenties view gender and sexuality as somewhat fluid. It's their world, their choice. I let go of my pearls a long time ago.
 
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