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Maybe one day scientists will be able to determine what is hard-wired at conception, what is determined by mother's actions during pregnancy and (for reincarnation believers) what is pre-determined or is a soul imprint.

Until then, the best we can do is continue to learn and be open to fact-based progress in education.
 

JimBob1952 said:
Absolutely agree with you but there is a big difference between thinking you might be gay and thinking you might want to change genders, especially with the help of drugs and/or surgery.
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I know someone who transgendered from female to male. It wasn't an easy process; it included years of therapy and evaluation, hormone therapy with often unpleasant side-effects. The docs are pretty good at weeding out the faint of heart and the dilettantes who are dabbling in the latest craze.
 
gennie said:
Maybe one day scientists will be able to determine what is hard-wired at conception, what is determined by mother's actions during pregnancy and (for reincarnation believers) what is pre-determined or is a soul imprint.

Until then, the best we can do is continue to learn and be open to fact-based progress in education.
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Gennie, no scientist I've ever heard of is concerned with" pre-determined reincarnation" or a "soul imprint."

Scientists may be able to determine what is hard-wired at conception, but I even doubt that. The whole subject is much too complicated for such simple answers. And I also wonder, as StarSong does, what you are referring to by "mother's actions during pregnancy."

Please clarify.
 
After two very short marriages to Army dudes, which one was annulled and the other ?, our great niece is now married to a lesbian. She met one guy before she went into the Army and the other, while in the Army. Not a single sign of "lesbian" thinking/actions before the Army. But, she did tell her mom, during last Leave from the Army, that she thought she was bi-sexual. So, apparently, sometime towards the end of her Army hitch, she was with a woman. They had a Facebook page, where our great niece's girlfriend, before marrying, called the great niece "Beautiful" all the time. So much that I "unfriended" them. Just didn't like seeing it. They were told to take down the Facebook page by my wife's sister, the niece's grandmother.

The niece's grandmother, my wife's sister, is very "Christian" like, but knows she has to accept her or not have her in her life. As for us, we have talked to both great niece and her so-called "husband" on Zoom, but it was a "family" Zoom. Other than that, no communication at all. My wife's sister will tell us what the two are up to.

Our thinking, our great niece was manipulated into the lesbian thing by this other girl. Something happened!
 
ClassicRockr said:
Our thinking, our great niece was manipulated into the lesbian thing by this other girl. Something happened!
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You might consider reaching out to your niece and asking her about it. She may have a different perspective because she lived through her experiences.

I have known several women who were successfully and seemingly happily married to men and had children but later in life realized they were lesbians or at least more attracted to women emotionally and/or physically.

It's possible that your niece is bi-sexual and just more attracted to women either on the Kinsey scale or emotionally.
 
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BTW if anyone is curious to hear how some teens go through the awakening of their orientation I'd recommend reading High School by Tegan and Sara, the pop stars. They wrote about early relationships and relationship issues in the book. One of them dated a guy for a while before discovering or acknowledging her true orientation.

Besides being an interesting book about their high school years it also covers what
 
ClassicRockr said:
After two very short marriages to Army dudes, which one was annulled and the other ?, our great niece is now married to a lesbian. She met one guy before she went into the Army and the other, while in the Army. Not a single sign of "lesbian" thinking/actions before the Army. But, she did tell her mom, during last Leave from the Army, that she thought she was bi-sexual. So, apparently, sometime towards the end of her Army hitch, she was with a woman. They had a Facebook page, where our great niece's girlfriend, before marrying, called the great niece "Beautiful" all the time. So much that I "unfriended" them. Just didn't like seeing it. They were told to take down the Facebook page by my wife's sister, the niece's grandmother.

The niece's grandmother, my wife's sister, is very "Christian" like, but knows she has to accept her or not have her in her life. As for us, we have talked to both great niece and her so-called "husband" on Zoom, but it was a "family" Zoom. Other than that, no communication at all. My wife's sister will tell us what the two are up to.

Our thinking, our great niece was manipulated into the lesbian thing by this other girl. Something happened!
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I agree, something happened. Your great niece fell in love. You should be happy for her. IMO.
 
asp3 said:
BTW if anyone is curious to hear how some teens go through the awakening of their orientation I'd recommend reading High School by Tegan and Sara, the pop stars. They wrote about early relationships and relationship issues in the book. One of them dated a guy for a while before discovering or acknowledging her true orientation.

Besides being an interesting book about their high school years it also covers what
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This is what happened with my two granddaughters, dated girls for 3 years, then realized they were heterosexual and like men.
 
asp3 said:
You might consider reaching out to your niece and asking her about it. She may have a different perspective because she lived through her experiences.

I have known several women who were successfully and seemingly happily married to men and had children but later in life realized they were lesbians or at least more attracted to women emotionally and/or physically.

It's possible that your niece is bi-sexual and just more attracted to women either on the Kinsey scale or emotionally.
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Nope! Ever since I've tried talking to my wife's sister about how she acts, I'm completely done in the "reaching out" thing.........except for my wife, if needed. LOL
 
ClassicRockr said:
Guess, just like us. So, does that mean "911" is doing that also. Remember, he is a retired law enforcement officer!
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My comment was about JimBob1952's attempt at humor.

I can't see anything that you or 911 have posted here that indicated you like to stereotype people or to promote stereotypes. You have both indicated that you experienced things that have affected your views on this issue. I wasn't questioning that.
 
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Sunny said:
Gennie, no scientist I've ever heard of is concerned with" pre-determined reincarnation" or a "soul imprint."

Scientists may be able to determine what is hard-wired at conception, but I even doubt that. The whole subject is much too complicated for such simple answers. And I also wonder, as StarSong does, what you are referring to by "mother's actions during pregnancy."

Please clarify.
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Perhaps 'mother's actions' was poorly worded. What I meant was all that happened during the pregnancy - her environment, what she ingested, what she inhaled, her mental state, her overall health, everything - the good, the bad and the seemingly inconsequential.

I carried my babies in the late 50s early 60s. Very little was known at the time about how our actions affected our fetus. The general consensus was that I did my thing and it did its. As long as it was protected from injury and I stayed in good health, all was good.

We've since learned much about the interaction between mother and fetus but there is still a lot to learn. Today's average mother-to-be encounters far more man made substances just in everyday life. Some good, some bad and some that no one either knows or care how their use might affect a fetus.

For instance: the casual use of plastics that leach a chemical called BPA into an ingested substance. BPA is an artificial estrogen, an endocrine disrupter. I'm certain there are studies about how it affects a fetus but no way to have an definitive answer based on fact. Who is to know how an estrogen overload might affect a fetus?
 
JimBob1952 said:
Ouch. Just a harmless joke. I actually did just buy a Subaru and have received some good natured kidding about it. I'll call those folks back and tell them not to traffic in stereotypes.
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I don't think that your joke was cruel but just a joke has been used to justify cruel comments for a long time.

If you're interested in learning about the power of stereotypes, here's an interesting article which was published in response to a piece published in Nature that some readers found objectionable. The article contains the results of some studies of how female stereotypes in the field of math affect females even without them being directly brought up. https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/science-sushi/the-joke-isnt-funny-its-harmful/

I try to avoid stereotyping people or promoting stereotypes, but I know I fail to do so some times. So it's an easy trap to fall into since our society tends to promote stereotypes.
 
I remember when Anne Heche broke up with Ellen Degeneris in 2000 and ended up marrying a man not long afterwards. There was quite a media storm over whether she was straight or gay. She responded by saying that she wasn't in love with a particular gender. She had been in love with Ellen, who happened to be a woman, and now she was in love with her husband, who happened to be a man.
 
StarSong said:
I remember when Anne Heche broke up with Ellen Degeneris in 2000 and ended up marrying a man not long afterwards. There was quite a media storm over whether she was straight or gay. She responded by saying that she wasn't in love with a particular gender. She had been in love with Ellen, who happened to be a woman, and now she was in love with her husband, who happened to be a man.
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How absolutely off the wall is that!

Let's all marry, divorce, and remarry again, and different sexes while we're at it. Today I love women, but tomorrow I'm going to love men better.

Boy, is our world ever screwed up! :mad:
 
StarSong said:
I remember when Anne Heche broke up with Ellen Degeneris in 2000 and ended up marrying a man not long afterwards. There was quite a media storm over whether she was straight or gay. She responded by saying that she wasn't in love with a particular gender. She had been in love with Ellen, who happened to be a woman, and now she was in love with her husband, who happened to be a man.
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She also stated, when competing on DWTS, that she took Ellen to the Premier of Volcano, that her and Tommy Lee Jones starred in. The Studio was stunned that she showed up with a woman and she stated, "that night pretty much, if not completely, ended my acting career."
 

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