Male and Female

Gaer said:
I always thought the sexes were male and female. Now the school systems are teaching there are six sexes, not two. Can anyone clarify this? Who thought this up? Why was this inagurated in the school system? Why are the schools perpetuating this bombast?
Forgive my ignorance in this matter but, what's going on?
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Gaer, where are the school systems teaching that there are six sexes? How do you know this?

I ask because it sounds pretty wacko to me, and at best is probably a gross oversimplification of what is actually being taught. There are two genders, male and female. But there is an enormous number of "proclivities" that people have, way more than you are probably aware of, if you think there are only six. So, this can't really be intelligently discussed until we have an agreement of what a "sex" is, and what a "gender" is.

A person can be biologically male and be sexually attracted to:
Only females
Only females with certain characteristics (tall, short, thin, fat, blond, brunette, blue eyes, Nordic looking, Mediterranean looking, etc.)
Any and all females
Only males, all of them
Only males with some of the distinctions listed above
Both males and females
Males or females of a certain age (or, unfortunately, sometimes a very young age)
Cruelty, sadism, masochism, mind games, etc.
All kinds of bizarre fetishes, some guys aren't interested in women or men, but are in love with their toaster

And so on. See how complicated it gets? Why limit it to six sexes? And what, exactly, is a "sex?"
 
ClassicRockr said:
She also stated, when competing on DWTS, that she took Ellen to the Premier of Volcano, that her and Tommy Lee Jones starred in. The Studio was stunned that she showed up with a woman and she stated, "that night pretty much, if not completely, ended my acting career."
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Thank heavens things have changed A LOT in twenty years!
 
Aunt Marg said:
How absolutely off the wall is that!

Let's all marry, divorce, and remarry again, and different sexes while we're at it. Today I love women, but tomorrow I'm going to love men better.

Boy, is our world ever screwed up! :mad:
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Ms. Heche's point was that she had loved two different people, one happened to be female and another happened to be male. Gender wasn't a be-all end-all for her. It might have been for her partners, but it wasn't for her.

I know a woman in a female-female marriage. She doesn't describe herself as a lesbian and had previous romantic relationships with men. She doesn't see either kind of relationship as defining her sexuality. She just happened to fall in love with a woman.

Over thousands of years there have been plenty of "gay for the stay" relationships. Prisons, military situations, ships (particularly when/where women weren't permitted), and other situations where typically heterosexual people have been segregated from the opposite sex and engaged in homosexual acts rather than doing without. Love the one you're with kinda thing.

I don't see how that points to a screwed up world. It might not be everyone's preference, but that doesn't mean others shouldn't partake if they so desire.
 
That thing about Subaru marketing to gay women was a surprise to me. My (very definitely straight) son has been a Subaru owner for many years; he loves the car, and highly recommends it. So, 3 years ago, when I decided I was tired of driving my 18-year-old Toyota Camry, I decided to give Subaru a try. At the time, I got the definite feeling that Subaru was the car of choice for young, active families. Their ads always showed families with happy kids, etc. going on a camping trip in their Subaru SUV. So here I am, long past my days as part of a young, active family, happily cruising along in my car. I thought that was kind of funny. I have never heard that "lesbian" thing anywhere else. Guess you learn something new every day!
 
Gary O' said:
No wonder I was always exhausted in my late teens
All my dates were nymphomaniacs
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Teehee. When my sister & I were around 19, I overheard my mom yelling at my sister, You have to learn to control your desires."
Later, I asked my mom, "Were you referring to sex?"
She said, "Yes. She can't control her sexual desires."
I said, "Well, neither can most girls I've met.....and I'm glad they can't."
She said, "Oh.....go to hell." :ROFLMAO:
My mom was quite the hypocrite; She only married my dad after he got her pregnant.......
 
Autumn said:
This is a quote from the program that will be taught - "However, gender isn't about someone's anatomy, it is about who they know them self to be. "

The genders being taught are as follows -
  • Male: born with male parts, thinks they are male
  • Female: born with female parts, thinks they are female
  • Transgender: Those who cross over or challenge common gender roles but don't necessarily get surgery.
  • Transsexual: Typically identifies as the opposite gender, and usually gets surgery to realign their outward gender with what they believe they are.
  • Two-spirited: Native American catch-all term for those who don't fulfill typical gender roles
  • Intersex: Someone who is of ambigous gender. Medically, this involves mixing of male and female genetalia as well as chromosomal combinations beyond simple XY or XX.
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I have a non-fiction movie: "Boys Don't Cry." Hilary Swank did a superb job playing the person. A pretty sad story about a transgender woman:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandon_Teena
 
One of my boys dated a lovely girl and though I'd hoped it would become permanent, after a couple of years they amicably parted ways, but still remain in touch on facebook. She and I are also in touch, probably more than my son because I'm on fb more lol!

She dated a couple of men after my son, and then I started seeing pictures of her with a woman, whom she ultimately married. That was 4-5 years ago, and they seem so lovely together and very happy. When I asked my son if the question of bi-sexuality ever came up between them he said yup, that she'd told him very matter of factly that she was drawn to people rather than sexes, and had dated both men and women. It didn't bother him at all.
 
Gary O' said:
Heh, I'm pretty sure students today know all about most everything waaaaay before the classroom

As for me, I didn't know all that much

Still don't

So, got to reading

Mostly about lesbianism, and how they think

I......I.....I think I'm a lesbian

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Everytime you do this I laugh out loud. I never expect it and suddenly,,,bam- there they are!
 
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Sunny said:
That thing about Subaru marketing to gay women was a surprise to me. My (very definitely straight) son has been a Subaru owner for many years; he loves the car, and highly recommends it. So, 3 years ago, when I decided I was tired of driving my 18-year-old Toyota Camry, I decided to give Subaru a try. At the time, I got the definite feeling that Subaru was the car of choice for young, active families. Their ads always showed families with happy kids, etc. going on a camping trip in their Subaru SUV. So here I am, long past my days as part of a young, active family, happily cruising along in my car. I thought that was kind of funny. I have never heard that "lesbian" thing anywhere else. Guess you learn something new every day!
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I/we also have a Subaru. I am not a lesbian and my husband says he is not a lesbian either.
 
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You obviously haven't read the thread very carefully as there have been mentions of XXX, XXY and others. Also there are people who are XX with male *******ia and XY with female *******ia. If you read the article I posted you are going to learn of a woman who has one side of her body XX and the other side XY. So it isn't as simple and definite as you want it to be and that is real biology instead of incomplete knowledge of biology.
 
ClassicRockr said:
Well, she fell in love with both of her previous husbands. So...........
Happy for her? Not us! We believe in what the Bible says about this.........man and woman "thing".
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Which is fine, belief in the Bible.

I believe somewhat in the Bible. But, I am aware that the Bible was written by old jewish, by birth, men. Men, who had they known Mary, the mother of Jesus Christ was pregnant out of wedlock, would have stoned her to death without a second thought. Had that happened, JC would never have been born, and the Christian religion would not exists. Then, no Bible to believe in.
 
Y'know, I have to say, taking opinions completely out of the mix, and just looking at simply the physiology of human bodies, the way they replicate the human genome....essentially the pure science....and I have to laugh.

The human body is amazing. The design is impeccable. However we got here, whether it's God's creation, or rising up out of the mud, or alien invasion or any other theory you might want to posit, the end result is a species capable of withstanding the enormous stressors and capriciousness of the earth and mother nature, and arriving where we are today.

The replication of humans isn't perfect. There are all manner of things that can happen, that DO happen, during that replication process, that result in .... I don't even know what word to use, because they are all so fraught these days with political correctness, efforts to not insult, to not infer inferiority or damage or imperfection. So I'll just say that the replication process doesn't always produce the exact result that the blueprint of our DNA would expect us to produce. We have dwarfism, and Downs Syndrome, and anomalies with organs and limbs and brains. We have kids born with holes in their hearts, and spina bifida and blood abnormalities and the countless other differences that our replication process produces. Children with such differences aren't condemned because they're "different." On the contrary there are countless organizations and hospitals and support groups and everything else dedicated to supporting these kids and their families, to make life as easy as possible for them.

Why, then, should a gender dysmorphia be any different? How come it's fine to support and encourage and empathize with the families who are dealing with all those situations I mentioned with their kids, but let a child be born with the physiological equipment that determines that they're of one sex, but their brains and hearts and minds all let them know in every possible way that they're NOT that...how come they are marginalized, ridiculed, preached to, condemned for that?

How come THOSE kids are looked upon as abnormal, sinful, damaged, when their counterparts with the deformed limbs, the heart holes, the spinal abnormalities, the countless other maladies that wrench our hearts and our sympathies, how come THEY deserve our compassion while the gender issues are condemned. It's just one more way that the human genome isn't typical, doesn't follow an a - b path, isn't absolutely perfect.

We treasure and support and fund raise and empathize with all those other imperfections. Why not gender dysmorphia? WHY?
 
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Ronni said:
Y'know, I have to say, taking opinions completely out of the mix, and just looking at simply the physiology of human bodies, the way they replicate the human genome....essentially the pure science....and I have to laugh.

The human body is amazing. The design is impeccable. However we got here, whether it's God's creation, or rising up out of the mud, or alien invasion or any other theory you might want to posit, the end result is a species capable of withstanding the enormous stressors and capriciousness of the earth and mother nature, and arriving where we are today.

The replication of humans isn't perfect. There are all manner of things that can happen, that DO happen, during that replication process, that result in .... I don't even know what word to use, because they are all so fraught these days with political correctness, efforts to not insult, to not infer inferiority or damage or imperfection. So I'll just say that the replication process doesn't always produce the exact result that the blueprint of our DNA would expect us to produce. We have dwarfism, and Downs Syndrome, and anomalies with organs and limbs and brains. We have kids born with holes in their hearts, and spina bifida and blood abnormalities and the countless other differences that our replication process produces. Children with such differences aren't condemned because they're "different." On the contrary there are countless organizations and hospitals and support groups and everything else dedicated to supporting these kids and their families, to make life as easy as possible for them.

Why, then, should a gender dysmorphia be any different? How come it's fine to support and encourage and sympathize with the families who are dealing with all those situations I mentioned with their kids, but let a child be born with the physiological equipment that determines that they're of one sex, but their brains and hearts and minds all let them know in every possible way that they're NOT that...how come they are marginalized, ridiculed, preached to, condemned for that?

How come THOSE kids are looked upon as abnormal, sinful, damaged, when their counterparts with the deformed limbs, the heart holes, the spinal abnormalities, the countless other maladies that wrench our hearts and our sympathies, how come THEY deserve our sympathy while the gender issues are condemned. It's just one more way that the human genome isn't typical, doesn't follow an a - b path, isn't absolutely perfect.

We treasure and support and fund raise and sympathize with all those other imperfections. Why not gender dysmorphia? WHY?
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WHAT? Wow, you are terribly out of touch with the life of a disabled person. I am sorry, you are wrong wrong wrong. Children and adults with disabilities are marginalized, ridiculed, bullied, pushed to the side of our society, and killed before and after birth.

I have seen disabled children and adults abused by the people who are paid to care for them, just as the elderly are. The majority of the disabled are poor, uncared for, and dumped into group homes, nursing homes, state hospitals, jails, and prisons on a daily basis. In many of those facilities they are abused, stolen from, raped, starved, and live in constant fear.

The stories I could tell. Disabled people don’t need or want sympathy. @Ronni

Here‘s is one. A beautiful baby boy born at the university hospital. He was born dead. He had an extremely large head, a commonly known condition know as water on the brain, sorry forget the medical name. His mother had to have a c section, baby's head was so large.

The doctor was supposed to leave him dead. The parents were clear. The doctor resuscitated the baby. Now the parents have a live baby. Immediately, the baby is put up for adoption. Immediately, the parents sue that doctor for wrongful life. They won. Where was that wonderful support you speak of? Where was he treasured?

Turns out that baby was a brain stem baby. Matthew Frank was born without a brain, just a fluid filled skull. He was born only with a brain stem. Early on it was discovered, in the hospital, that he had had a gram negative infection which harmed the brain stem.

Without a brain he could not hear or see or comprehend, with a damaged brain stem things were grim. But even with a large head and tiny body he was beautiful. Blonde hair and blue eyes and I remember when the adoption agency called and asked if we would take him. Sure. We named him Matthew Frank. We never finalized the adoption. He died at 12 months. He was greatly loved.

The disability is called hydrocephalus, remembered the word this morning.
 
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asp3 the things is...before the media started getting so involved in all this stuff...i don't recall seeing that much stereotyping. now that the media is shouting this crap from every source possible...there's stereotyping and hate crimes galore.

i agree that if the kids feel different they should explore it. but thinking and knowing are two different things. just because they think they might be gay or might be a girl doesn't mean their parents should go running to the nearest book store for information on it for them. they could be thinking they might be gay because of outside influence. media or otherwise.
 
BTW would someone please explain the subaru reference because i have no idea what yall are talking about.
 

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