Who Won't Opt For The Vaccine

Don M. said:
The thing that worries me is that the medical staff will be among the very first to receive these vaccinations. We better Hope there aren't a rash of serious side effects....that would severely impact our doctors and nurses in a time when those people are already stretched to their limits. Then, the next priority is supposed to be Seniors living in care facilities, etc., and those with pre-existing conditions. It will probably be well into Springtime before the majority of healthy people have access to the vaccines, and by then, we should have a fairly good idea of If there are any risks of being vaccinated.
No matter of what direction this virus takes in coming months, it will still be a long time before we can safely return to "normalcy".
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Supposedly they've taken this into account and won't vaccinate an entire hospital at one time where if there was a problem, the whole hospital would be down. So they've at least thought about it.
 

garyt1957 said:
Supposedly they've taken this into account and won't vaccinate an entire hospital at one time where if there was a problem, the whole hospital would be down. So they've at least thought about it.
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One the one hand that's comforting to know they have considered that, on the other, it doesn't sound as if they are very confident that there will be no serious side effects.
 
JimBob1952 said:
Hey all,

This is the best single piece I've read on the subject. I hope the incoming administration takes these recommendations to heart. Totally sane and sensible.

It's time for our 4-person, socially distanced, semi-outdoor Thanksgiving dinner. My best to all of you.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/11/covid-19-is-out-of-control-what-can-we-do/617097/
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This article made a lot of excellent points but I just don't think anyone, neither experts nor gov't, was prepared for this. The organization and planning wasn't there, the equipment wasn't there, no one had practiced or drilled...nothing was in place.
 
Murrmurr said:
This article made a lot of excellent points but I just don't think anyone, neither experts nor gov't, was prepared for this. The organization and planning wasn't there, the equipment wasn't there, no one had practiced or drilled...nothing was in place.
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We weren't prepared for Pearl Harbor, either. But nine months later we had the Japanese in retreat. We've had almost a year to respond and the situation is getting worse instead of better.
 
Marie5656 said:
...If I can get it, and I know it is effective, I will go for it.
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It will be approved through "Accelerated Approval" which means it will go out without Phase 4 trials. Phase 4 trials usually take three years and show "anticipated clinical benefit" not definitive benefit. In the case of Accelerated Approval, Phase 4 trials still have to be done, they're just done using data from the real world rather than a controlled experiment. So it'll be a while before the pharmaceutical companies, the FDA or we know for sure there's clinical benefit.


 
Remember Richard Schiff, who played Toby Ziegler in The West Sing? He was recently interviewed about him and his wife getting Covid-19 and being hospitalized in Canada, where they were shooting a film when he got sick. Very interesting discussion of the illness, and he had some very good things to say about the Canadian health system.

 
Sunny said:
Remember Richard Schiff, who played Toby Ziegler in The West Sing? He was recently interviewed about him and his wife getting Covid-19 and being hospitalized in Canada, where they were shooting a film when he got sick. Very interesting discussion of the illness, and he had some very good things to say about the Canadian health system.

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Sort of incoherent in that he urges people to take common sense precautions, then notes that he and his wife got sick despite taking such precautions. Also, he doesn't know if he got sick on set or not -- he's not an epidemiologist.

Re Canadian healthcare, it's "free" in that it's paid for by taxes.

"While there isn't a designated "healthcare tax," the latest data from the Canadian Institute for Health Information (CIHI) in 2017 found that on average a Canadian spends $6,604 in taxes for healthcare coverage." (Business Insider)

No doubt we could design a far more efficient and humane health care system. But no system is "free". The best system I've read about is in Germany and that's paid for by an 8 percent separate tax on all income. So if you make a million dollars a year, you pay $80,000 in healthcare tax. That isn't "fair" but Germans are willing to do that so that people without means can be covered.

Please understand I am not defending the US system, which is severely flawed. I'm just saying that people don't know what paying for other kinds of healthcare systems entails.

Interestingly, my wife got sick in France and we went to a public clinic. A doctor saw her and prescribed medication. Two months later we got a bill for $80 in the mail, which we most willingly paid. (They took Visa!)
 
Another point: We tend to give doctors a pass in the healthcare debate. But US doctors are wildly overpaid by global standards. They also rack up obscene debts to pay for medical school. Again, a broken system, and no one is even discussing the right fixes.
 
JimBob1952 said:
We weren't prepared for Pearl Harbor, either. But nine months later we had the Japanese in retreat. We've had almost a year to respond and the situation is getting worse instead of better.
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The military is all about drills and practice, they do it every day. They have a huge budget and they're always prepared to mobilize. I'd say they were least prepared for the situation in Nam. That might have been a slightly better comparison.
 
After all the side effects were listed I have no intention of taking it until it is improved. I already have DDD and a lot of pain I sure don't need to volunteer to have more. All sorts of muscle pain and other associated side effects have been disclosed. It sounds like a vaccine made in 1950. I took a steroid pill several years ago and it nearly paralyzed me, that bottle of pills went into the garbage. One vaccine is not always good for millions of people. The comment from the user above me about not being prepared for NAM, never drink the water ! I spent 3 days in our local hospital on the airfield, it was always the food or the water. Usually when rainy season started the wells all were shifted and that was when the fun started. Wild Turkey was a great vaccine or Cognac, taste good too
 
Sunny said:
Well, it was free for him. He isn't a Canadian, so I don't know how much he paid in "taxes" while in Canada.
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Murrmurr said:
The military is all about drills and practice, they do it every day. They have a huge budget and they're always prepared to mobilize. I'd say they were least prepared for the situation in Nam. That might have been a slightly better comparison.
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Fighting WWII was all about mobilizing the industrial might of the US and putting it behind the war effort. I would say it's an apt comparison. Before WWII, our military was tiny (smaller than Portugal's) and starved for funds.
 
JimBob1952 said:
Fighting WWII was all about mobilizing the industrial might of the US and putting it behind the war effort. I would say it's an apt comparison. Before WWII, our military was tiny (smaller than Portugal's) and starved for funds.
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Ah, yeah, I see your point now.
Interesting side note: it was WWI that brought us a comparable influenza pandemic. And sparked the requirement of vaccines for international travelers.
 
Sunny said:
Well, it was free for him. He isn't a Canadian, so I don't know how much he paid in "taxes" while in Canada.
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If he was working here, he probably had landed immigrant status, which would give him access to our health system.

Once you turn 65, you pay a dispensing fee, and possibly a small amount for your medication. If your income is low, you pay zero dollars.
 
The last time I took a flu shot I was sick 16days out of the month. I missed a lot of work. I'm guessing it didn't agree w/my biologic I take for my arthritis. Haven't had the flu since, not like that anyway.

So, hence, I'm worried about taking this covid shot. Seeing my rheumy next month, i will be talking to her about it, but I doubt I'll change my mind.
 
Murrmurr said:
Ah, yeah, I see your point now.
Interesting side note: it was WWI that brought us a comparable influenza pandemic. And sparked the requirement of vaccines for international travelers.
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Yes, absolutely. From what I have read we did a good job of fighting the pandemic given the limited knowledge and resources we had at the time. I'd like to learn more about it.
 


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